1453  Bizarre cont.

Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 06:24:16 EDT
From: Charles Roques <Crrtango@AOL.COM>
Subject: Bizarre cont.

Keith wrote:

<<<So ... if you do something - like dance to music - you've decided to
"improve" what you don't understand. And you've decided to "correct" it. But
really - you are avoiding "it.">>>

<<<And here I thought I was just moving with a partner to music and that it
was
my privilege, being alive, to live and dance in the moment. >>>

<<<Passing it off as imperiously you do gives one cause to chuckle.>>>

You seemed to have missed our point. I thought we were talking about learning
a particular dance, not just the act of dancing. I don't disagree with any of
your sentiments but why bother to distinguish one dance from the other if you
don't accept each one's boundaries (including it's musical roots)? Isn't that
what separates one from the other?
There is nothing imperious about what we are saying. Certainly not as
imperious as declaring that it is okay to dance tango to any music, especially when
you are not even from the same culture. If anything we are leaving our own
cultural prejudices behind and accepting theirs.

cheers,
Charles

Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 05:07:54 -0700
From: Master Bard <jnt@NOYAU.COM>
Subject: Bizarre cont.

Charles Roques <Crrtango@AOL.COM> wrote on Tue, 1 Jul 2003 06:24:16 EDT

>There is nothing imperious about what we are saying. Certainly not as
>imperious as declaring that it is okay to dance tango to any music,
>especially when you are not even from the same culture. If anything we
>are leaving our own cultural prejudices behind and accepting theirs.

A couple of threads have been spun off from the initial objections to Guy
writing that he danced tango to some different music. The earliest
objections were about his calling it tango not about his dancing to it.

Charles, it appears to me that you are making a different objection, in
writing, "not as imperious as declaring that it is okay to dance tango to
any music" are you saying it's not okay? And what is it that you object
to? Is it wrong to use a tango embrace? or to walk in cross system to say
a non tango composition such as "Tango for Evora" (even though it has
tango in the title)?

Let's say that "Tango for Evora" is playing in a cafe, not a milonga, and
a couple take the floor and embrace one another and dance a simple dance
with say some walking back ochos, maybe a tiny boleo. Would you tell them
that they are showing disrespect by using walking back ochos to non tango
music? Are they to modify their embrace so that it doesn't resemble the
embrace used in BsAs?

What if a gymnast decided to choreograph a competitive floor routine to
"La Cumparsita" would you find that to be a demonstration of respect or
disrespect of the music? or the dance? or the culture?

Wrangling out a definition of words so we can communicate is difficult.
But to patent or trademark a dance or elements of a dance might prove
impossible. At least I haven't been able to imagine how it could be
accomplished.

peace,
Jonathan Thornton

the great globe itself, yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve; and,
like this insubstantial pageant faded, leave not a rack behind. We are
such stuff as dreams are made on, and our little life is rounded with a
sleep. -- Shakespeare, The Tempest, Act IV