6204  Close Embrace in ?

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:15:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Close Embrace in ?
To: tango-l@mit.edu

Hello, Which tango schools in Paris teach close embrace Tango (chest
to chest - not? 'v')
Merci

The above quote has me wondering...since all Tango embraces are asymmetrical:
("..the asymmetrical nature of the embrace, closed on
one side, more open on the other.")
I was originaly taught chest to chest when in my first close embrace class.? You know
the exercise where the couple fold their arms behind them and only make contact with
their chests?..well, Im currently questioning the utility of such an exercise. Is it to get
the lean? Is it to show that we can connect that way? Or is it an important part of this
mythical chest to chest embrace?? I say mythical because I'm beginning to wonder if
it exists on the dance floor.
The best close embrace experience I've had was when the woman placed her left breast
between my two. I don't know if this is the legendary "V" embrace but we danced a Milonga
song to die for..perfect communication coming up from our lower torsos thru the chest
connection. .. I have gone back to trying the mythical chest/chest embrace only to find
it more and more restricting....am I barking up the wrong tree? Would readers please
share their experience and understanding of the distinctions of the close embrace?? thanks







Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:30:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Dylan <jackdylan007@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Close Embrace in ?
To: tango-l@mit.edu

Mario,

Yes, the lady's?left?breast between your two is the position for the "V" embrace
and this is by far the most popular embrace used in the milongas of?Buenos Aires.
But there are a growing number of teachers, who often promote their classes as
'Milonguero Style', who teach a different embrace with full nipples to nipples contact.
Yes, this is much more restrictive but it provides a much closer and more intimate
connection. My advice to you, as a relative beginner,?would be to take every
opportunity to learn both styles. Eventually your own personal style will emerge.
You'll almost certainly end up dancing with different partners or to different music?
with a slightly different embrace. But it will be your dance and nobody elses.
For me, that's one of the great things about Tango.

Jack
?

> From: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
>
>The best close embrace experience I've had was when the woman placed her
>left breast between my two. I don't know if this is the legendary "V" embrace
>but we danced a Milonga
>










Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:10:34 -0500
From: Steve Littler <sl@stevelittler.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Close Embrace in ?
To: tango-l@mit.edu

Where does the lady put her face in this V position?

Steve

Jack Dylan wrote:

> Mario,
>
> Yes, the lady's left breast between your two is the position for the "V" embrace
> and this is by far the most popular embrace used in the milongas of Buenos Aires.
> But there are a growing number of teachers, who often promote their classes as
> 'Milonguero Style', who teach a different embrace with full nipples to nipples contact.
> Yes, this is much more restrictive but it provides a much closer and more intimate
> connection. My advice to you, as a relative beginner, would be to take every
> opportunity to learn both styles. Eventually your own personal style will emerge.
> You'll almost certainly end up dancing with different partners or to different music
> with a slightly different embrace. But it will be your dance and nobody elses.
> For me, that's one of the great things about Tango.
>
> Jack
>
>
>
>> From: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
>>
>> The best close embrace experience I've had was when the woman placed her
>> left breast between my two. I don't know if this is the legendary "V" embrace
>> but we danced a Milonga
>>
>>
>
>





Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:07:19 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Close Embrace in ?


--- On Wed, 12/10/08, Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The above quote has me wondering...since all Tango embraces
> are asymmetrical:
> ("..the asymmetrical nature of the embrace, closed on
> one side, more open on the other.") I was originaly taught chest to chest when in my first close embrace class.? You know
> the exercise where the couple fold their arms behind them
> and only make contact with their chests?..well, Im currently questioning the utility of such an exercise.

Personally, I now prefer using a different technique that I learned from Alicia Pons. The woman folds her forearms over each other (as if she's Jeannie from I Dream of Jeannie) and they rest on the man's chest. This gets the lean and the connection and allows more room for feet for beginner's mistakes.

But anyway, "close-embrace" is the term used for straight on connection (buttonhole to bra) with very little V in the frame. The exercise you described is quite useful because many people often do not have a sense of what being in front of someone actually means. It's quite common for beginners to move aside their partner while thinking that they are in front. Taking the arms away helps bring the focus on the chest and not the problems the arms can bring into play.


> The best close embrace experience I've had was when the
> woman placed her left breast between my two. I don't know if this is the legendary "V" embrace but we danced a Milonga song to die for..perfect communication coming up from our lower torsos thru the chest
> connection. ..

This sounds like an odd connection to me, but this might just be due to body types. In close-embrace the chests can sometimes roll open, as if they are gears in a pair of wheels, to create or close room as needed. If you stop the rolling so that you get an asymmetric embrace that is shaped like a V, you've created the V-frame. It's the left side of the woman connecting with the right side of the man. The asymmetry allows for more movement and ornamentation. The woman's head position can face the man more comfortably. You can check out Daniel Lapadula's videos for more on the V-frame.

There are different things to be wary of, such as the asymmetry of backward ochos and the greater likelihood of the woman taking a forward step in a turn instead of back step, among other things. There are also things you lose, as well, with the V-frame. The body parts that are no longer in contact cannot share in the dance.

Trini de Pittsburgh










Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:22:02 +1100
From: Myk Dowling <politas@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Close Embrace in ?
To: Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu>

Steve Littler wrote:
> Where does the lady put her face in this V position?
>
> Steve
>
> Jack Dylan wrote:
>> Mario,
>>
>> Yes, the lady's left breast between your two is the position for the
>> "V" embrace and this is by far the most popular embrace used in the
>> milongas of Buenos Aires. But there are a growing number of teachers,
>> who often promote their classes as 'Milonguero Style', who teach a
>> different embrace with full nipples to nipples contact.

I find I end up in different embraces due mostly to body shapes and
familiarity. With tall, skinny women that I know fairly well, it's the
nipple-nipple style parallel close embrace, which can be awkward for a
lot of moves, but is very comfortable for milongas and simple steps.
Tall women with a fuller bosom make a "V" embrace more comfortable. Some
women will still look over my shoulder, while some will look to their
right, towards the open end of the "V". As height decreases, I am more
likely to end up in an open embrace. I don't find a close embrace
comfortable when my chin is over the lady's head. And here in Australia,
many women are not comfortable with a close embrace at all, especially
those new to Tango.

Myk
in Canberra





Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:23:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Dylan <jackdylan007@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Close Embrace in ?
To: tango-l@mit.edu

The lady has a choice of 3 positions. In my personal order of preference:

1. She can look straight ahead, i.e facing or touching?the right side of the man's head or face;
2. Head turned slightly left looking over the man's right shoulder; or
3. Head turned slightly right.

Many ladies use a different head position depending on their partner, music, etc.

Jack


> From: Steve Littler <sl@stevelittler.com>
>
> Where does the lady put her face in this V position?
>











Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:17:42 -0800
From: Hoyt Ng <hoytlee@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Close Embrace in ?
Cc: patangos@yahoo.com

Hello,

Would Julio Balmaceda and Corina de La Rosa's embrace be classified
as "V" or close? I notice that she is pretty much off-set by at
least a half body width from him in many of the videos I have seen of
them, but they don't seem to be angled off each other, not sure if
its a perception issue though. I've always been confused by this
issue. thanks.

be well,
Hoyt


On Dec 10, 2008, at 10:07 PM, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote:

>
> --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The above quote has me wondering...since all Tango embraces
>> are asymmetrical:
>> ("..the asymmetrical nature of the embrace, closed on
>> one side, more open on the other.") I was originaly taught chest
>> to chest when in my first close embrace class. You know
>> the exercise where the couple fold their arms behind them
>> and only make contact with their chests?..well, Im currently
>> questioning the utility of such an exercise.
>
> Personally, I now prefer using a different technique that I learned
> from Alicia Pons. The woman folds her forearms over each other (as
> if she's Jeannie from I Dream of Jeannie) and they rest on the
> man's chest. This gets the lean and the connection and allows more
> room for feet for beginner's mistakes.
>
> But anyway, "close-embrace" is the term used for straight on
> connection (buttonhole to bra) with very little V in the frame.
> The exercise you described is quite useful because many people
> often do not have a sense of what being in front of someone
> actually means. It's quite common for beginners to move aside
> their partner while thinking that they are in front. Taking the
> arms away helps bring the focus on the chest and not the problems
> the arms can bring into play.
>
>
>> The best close embrace experience I've had was when the
>> woman placed her left breast between my two. I don't know if this
>> is the legendary "V" embrace but we danced a Milonga song to die
>> for..perfect communication coming up from our lower torsos thru
>> the chest
>> connection. ..
>
> This sounds like an odd connection to me, but this might just be
> due to body types. In close-embrace the chests can sometimes roll
> open, as if they are gears in a pair of wheels, to create or close
> room as needed. If you stop the rolling so that you get an
> asymmetric embrace that is shaped like a V, you've created the V-
> frame. It's the left side of the woman connecting with the right
> side of the man. The asymmetry allows for more movement and
> ornamentation. The woman's head position can face the man more
> comfortably. You can check out Daniel Lapadula's videos for more
> on the V-frame.
>
> There are different things to be wary of, such as the asymmetry of
> backward ochos and the greater likelihood of the woman taking a
> forward step in a turn instead of back step, among other things.
> There are also things you lose, as well, with the V-frame. The
> body parts that are no longer in contact cannot share in the dance.
>
> Trini de Pittsburgh
>
>
>
>
>




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