3189 Mauricio Castro's book as non-advertise
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:04:26 -0500
From: Alberto Sanders <tangotango@EUROPE.COM>
Subject: Mauricio Castro's book as non-advertise
Stephen wrote:
"Those organizers who are reluctant to submit their own information to
Tango-L for fear of running afoul of the no-commercial posting rule"
This comment arises these questions to me:
Why when someone on this list mentions a teacher, a book (line in my case)
or a video, it is considered advertising?
And more scary is how is that I agree with this opinion.
Not to long ago I was asking this list about the Tango awareness (book) by Mauricio Castro.
I didn't get an answer for the first 2 tries, and in the 3rd one I got an answer from:
- el "el turco", half saying that he didn't share the books beliefs
- and another answer saying that it was advertising.
So I was asking myself: What on earth is this list for?
If it is not to learn from a master and discus his views and reflections.
I think because of this RULE, people here have increase the strange tango
tendency of giving their own opinions, findings and conclusion. When in reality they
are quoting things they have learn from somewhere else.
The tendency is to bring attention and importance to oneself at the expense of disregarding
the creators and researchers of this field.
Please.... beautiful people of this list... don't take this as an attack to anybody.
This is my view of this list, that I want it to improve, so it becomes a real channel
for exchanging information.
I'm aware that lower caliber teachers are using the list to advertise themselves,
but I think that at least there are 10 dancers and teachers in tango, that their work
should be view as guidelines for the activity. Like in the case of Mauricio.
best to all
Albertito
PD: of course not even to mention the fact that this list was born for hidden advertising !!
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:54:43 -0800
From: Razor Girl <dilettante666@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Mauricio Castro's book as non-advertise
In response to your post Alberto Sanders, I recommend
you review the rules for usage of this forum at
https://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~garrit/tango/tl_use.html
This will help you to understand what is acceptable
advertising to the list, in summary:
4. Commercial Postings (Advertising)
- Those not directly related to Tango are
explicitly prohibited
- Disinterested 3rd-party recommendations OK
- 1-time announcements or introductions OK
- Annual re-introduction OK
- Single announcement of major event of
International scope OK
- Affiliation and contact info in brief signature
file OK
- No repeated announcements, no sales pitches or
marketing hype
- Full identification and affiliation required
- Most events of non-profit organizations OK
- Give more to the list than you take from it
Best Regards,
Rose
Portland, OR
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:18:56 -0500
From: Alberto Sanders <tangotango@EUROPE.COM>
Subject: Re: Mauricio Castro's book as non-advertise
Thanks for the info.
But I'm writting about other's people comments, not the rules of the list.
>
> In response to your post Alberto Sanders, I recommend
> you review the rules for usage of this forum at
> https://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~garrit/tango/tl_use.html
>
> This will help you to understand what is acceptable
> advertising to the list, in summary:
>
> 4. Commercial Postings (Advertising)
> - Those not directly related to Tango are
> explicitly prohibited
> - Disinterested 3rd-party recommendations OK
> - 1-time announcements or introductions OK
> - Annual re-introduction OK
> - Single announcement of major event of
> International scope OK
> - Affiliation and contact info in brief signature
> file OK
> - No repeated announcements, no sales pitches or
> marketing hype
> - Full identification and affiliation required
> - Most events of non-profit organizations OK
> - Give more to the list than you take from it
>
> Best Regards,
> Rose
> Portland, OR
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:21:59 -0700
From: Bruno <romerob@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Subject: Re: Mauricio Castro's book as non-advertise
Alberto Sanders wrote:
>So I was asking myself: What on earth is this list for?
If it is not to learn from a master and discus his views and reflections.
[.....].<
My take on the post above:
What are the requirements for a master of tango?
Perhaps:
a) Trajectory (not less than 40 years dancing experience)
b) Formed exclusively in the tango salons of Buenos Aires
c) Not coming from other dances
d) Proficient of at least 3 or more tango styles
Not sure may somebody else might know more about what constitutes a master
of the tango dance.
Best regards,
Bruno
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:54:34 -0500
From: Alberto Sanders <tangotango@EUROPE.COM>
Subject: Re: Mauricio Castro's book as non-advertise
> Alberto Sanders wrote:
>
> > So I was asking myself: What on earth is this list for?
> If it is not to learn from a master and discus his views and reflections.
> [.....].<
Bruno wrote
> My take on the post above:
>
> What are the requirements for a master of tango?
>
> Perhaps:
> a) Trajectory (not less than 40 years dancing experience)
> b) Formed exclusively in the tango salons of Buenos Aires
> c) Not coming from other dances
> d) Proficient of at least 3 or more tango styles
>
> Not sure may somebody else might know more about what constitutes a master
> of the tango dance.
Well if looking for old teacher's make it for you, why not?
What I'm talking about actually is dancers taking a free ride over tango master's back.
Example:
Portland's 8th Annual TangoFest ( October 13-17, 2004)
Agustina and Claudio are number 6th on a list of teachers.
(and actually most of them dancer as self-proclaime teachers, have taken classes with this couple) of course
private classes so nobody finds out.
So a simpler way to know who is a Master is just checking who takes classes with who.
And the ones on the learning scale have common decency to tell the organizer the situation.
In case the organizer doesn't know, which I doubt it.
best to all
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Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 05:31:50 -0800
From: Larry Gmucs <gmucs@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Mauricio Castro's book as non-advertise
My observation is that a "master" in most fields is
usually self-proclaimed. The true masters are those
who are recognized as such but without the label....
If you have to advertise how important you are, you
probably aren't.
--- Bruno <romerob@TELUSPLANET.NET> wrote:
> Alberto Sanders wrote:
>
> >So I was asking myself: What on earth is this list
> for?
> If it is not to learn from a master and discus his
> views and reflections.
> [.....].<
>
> My take on the post above:
>
> What are the requirements for a master of tango?
>
> Perhaps:
> a) Trajectory (not less than 40 years dancing
> experience)
> b) Formed exclusively in the tango salons of Buenos
> Aires
> c) Not coming from other dances
> d) Proficient of at least 3 or more tango styles
>
> Not sure may somebody else might know more about
> what constitutes a master
> of the tango dance.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bruno
>
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:16:51 -0500
From: Alberto Sanders <tangotango@EUROPE.COM>
Subject: Re: Mauricio Castro's book as non-advertise
I don't teach so I don't proclaiming myself as anything.
Larry wrote
>
> My observation is that a "master" in most fields is
> usually self-proclaimed. The true masters are those
> who are recognized as such but without the label....
>
> If you have to advertise how important you are, you
> probably aren't.
>
> --- Bruno <romerob@TELUSPLANET.NET> wrote:
>
> > Alberto Sanders wrote:
> >
> > >So I was asking myself: What on earth is this list
> > for?
> > If it is not to learn from a master and discus his
> > views and reflections.
> > [.....].<
> >
> > My take on the post above:
> >
> > What are the requirements for a master of tango?
> >
> > Perhaps:
> > a) Trajectory (not less than 40 years dancing
> > experience)
> > b) Formed exclusively in the tango salons of Buenos
> > Aires
> > c) Not coming from other dances
> > d) Proficient of at least 3 or more tango styles
> >
> > Not sure may somebody else might know more about
> > what constitutes a master
> > of the tango dance.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Bruno
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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