1339  Payadas - Argentinean rap?

Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 23:37:52 -0700
From: Sergio <Cachafaz@ADELPHIA.NET>
Subject: Payadas - Argentinean rap?

Jay Rabe says: (talking in reference to payadas)

"It sounds like a perfect cultural analogue to rap music, which began
similarly as a sort of street competition, requiring quick thinking and
clever rhyming."

I believe that one can find many such similarities. It seems that human beings when under similar circumstances react in fairly similar ways.
Their feelings and reactions are expressed in their popular art.

The Gaucho Martin Fierro is the best example of Argentinean Gaucho Literature.
It describes the gaucho life in the prairies (Pampas), in verses that are a reflection of the peculiar gaucho speech, his nature, his =
passions, his suffering, his hopes and his payador soul.

This literary work is composed of two parts, the first one : El gaucho Martin Fierro published in 1872, the second : La vuelta de Martin Fierro
-( Martin Fierro's return) - printed in 1879.

The Argentinean territory was occupied by European immigrants entering by the port of Buenos Aires, South American immigrants coming from the =
north and the west, native Indians and the nomadic gaucho.

The Indian territory started not far south from the city of Buenos Aires. There was a line of fortresses separating both areas.
The Indians attacked periodically, destroying towns and taking back with them women, horses and cattle. Their attacks were called "Malones". The =
gaucho was a nomadic, free cowboy that saw his freedom of movement curtailed by the Europeans settlers after wire fencing of the fields was =
introduced. They were frequently drafted into the army in order to better serve the motherland, fighting against the Indians and were =
displaced by the immigrants the same as they displaced the Indians, to take their lands.

It is under this unjust circumstances that his payada music was born, it frequently reflects their frustration and despair.

Rap music perhaps was also born as a protest against injustice and oppression in a more urban context similar to that in which tango was =
born.
Rebetika, the mysterious Greek national music comes to mind as well, as it was born after the first great war, among the displaced people =
expelled from Turkey, in suburbs, bars, whore houses in the middle of hashish and opium smoke.

I am sure that there are many more coincidental characteristics as human beings react in similar ways when under equal circumstances.
Reactions that have an artistic manifestation in music, dance, poems, paintings, sculpture, etc.

What do you think?

Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:48:41 +0300
From: "Aydogan (El Encuentro)" <aydogan@TANGOENCUENTRO.COM>
Subject: Re: Payadas - Argentinean rap?

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From: Sergio
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Subject: [TANGO-L] Payadas - Argentinean rap?

...

I am sure that there are many more coincidental characteristics as human
beings react in similar ways when under equal circumstances. Reactions
that have an artistic manifestation in music, dance, poems, paintings,
sculpture, etc.

What do you think?
......


Well, talking about similarities it may be a good time to look at the
folkloric dances of Turkey. Turkey has more than 80 cities, and each has
its own folkloric dance which has roots going back to the centuries ago.
In time those had been matured, and influenced a lot by the Salvation
War around 1920s. Most of the cities have even sub-dances, that can be
treated as the accents of the main dances.

There you can find, rebellion culture a lot, where guerillas fighting
agianst the enemy, army, even to the government.

All dance characters in those different regions have their own customs,
styles, music, movements, and even the instruments. The characteristics
of the dances vary so widely that you have to be almost be an expert to
tell which city is being danced.

Saludos,
Aydogan