4528  Double time

Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:41:46 +1200 (New Zealand Standard Time)
From: "Melroy" <melroyr@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: [Tango-L] Double time
To: <tango-L@mit.edu>

Double time?
I don't think its a case of playing a 4 minute song fast so that it takes 2
minutes.

My understanding: The underlying beat doubles but the actual melody on top
stays at the same pace. Imagine the singer keeps singing a ballad while the
drummer plays it as a hoedown.

Does that make sense ?
Maybe not, maybe I'll keep quite for a while, leave it to Jake.

Gee, I didn't want to get into syncopation, and now double time pops up!
(and what happened to Derik?)

I better go, Bye .....
Mel.

Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:39:48 -0400
From: "Caroline Polack" <runcarolinerun@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Double time
To: tango-l@mit.edu

"Double time?
I don't think its a case of playing a 4 minute song fast so that it takes 2
minutes.

My understanding: The underlying beat doubles but the actual melody on top
stays at the same pace. Imagine the singer keeps singing a ballad while the
drummer plays it as a hoedown."

Melroy is right - double time just means twice the beat but same length of
song. Like sixteen beats instead of eight.

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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:40:55 -0700
From: "Jonathan Thornton" <obscurebardo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Double time
To: "Caroline Polack" <runcarolinerun@hotmail.com>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
<f9247e8a0607250840j53407814g990f5b851866dafb@mail.gmail.com>

Carol and anyone else interested,

I found this definition:

*Double time*: A tempo twice as fast, with the time feel, bar lines and
chords moving at twice the speed.
https://www.apassion4jazz.net/glossary.html

As far as I recall double time really means playing the piece at twice the
tempo, say a song whose score says 60 bpm is played at 120 bpm, which would
mean half the time. There is also:

*Double time feel*: A time feel twice as fast, so that written eighth notes
now sound like quarter notes, while the chords continue at the same speed as
before.
https://www.apassion4jazz.net/glossary.html

I'm not sure what you mean by "twice the beat" but perhaps you are talking
about an eighth
note rhythm but that doesn't change the tempo.

Jonathan Thornton

On 7/25/06, Caroline Polack <runcarolinerun@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> "Double time?
> I don't think its a case of playing a 4 minute song fast so that it takes
> 2
> minutes.
>
> My understanding: The underlying beat doubles but the actual melody on top
> stays at the same pace. Imagine the singer keeps singing a ballad while
> the
> drummer plays it as a hoedown."
>
> Melroy is right - double time just means twice the beat but same length of
> song. Like sixteen beats instead of eight.
>

--
"The tango can be debated, and we have debates over it,
but it still encloses, as does all that which is truthful, a secret."
Jorge Luis Borges

Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:54:16 -0400
From: "Caroline Polack" <runcarolinerun@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Double time
To: obscurebardo@gmail.com
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu

You're right, it's twice the tempo.

caroline


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From: "Jonathan Thornton" <obscurebardo@gmail.com>
To: "Caroline Polack" <runcarolinerun@hotmail.com>
CC: tango-l@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Double time

Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:26:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dubravko Kakarigi <dubravko_2005@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Double time
To: tango-l@mit.edu

Maybe someone already mentioned this, but ... the way I heard folks use the term double time ("doble tiempo" - not "doble ritmo") in Buenos Aires is referring to when we step twice during a beat, or, put it differently, we step on each of the two eights comprising a quarter-note long beat. Some ppl call that, presumably incorrectly, syncopation (we heard enough about that here).

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