6252  Improving Discussion - Clarification of terms

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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:03:22 -0700
From: "Brian Dunn" <brian@danceoftheheart.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Improving Discussion - Clarification of terms
To: "'Tango-L'" <tango-l@mit.edu>

Dear List,

This is getting interesting. Thanks to Amaury & Myk for pursuing clarification of terms - here's my offering.


Clarification: LEAD

Is it possible to "lead" a follower without touching them? I hope we agree it is possible, at least in principle, because everyone in our classes does it in the first five minutes of their first class ;).


Clarification: CONNECTION

Chicho says (about his lead), "No arms, just connection"...

If it is possible to lead one's partner without touching them (see above), then I suppose we could call the mysterious signaling medium that makes this communication possible "connection". Perhaps this is what Chicho refers to here. But apparently this would not need to be a "physical" connection for the lead/follow signal to be received and understood - as, again, our beginner students discover in the first five minutes.

With this view of lead/follow connection, the arms are seen as "sufficient but not necessary" as a signaling medium for many tango ideas. One can choose to use them for signaling, of course, and many leaders do - but apparently other non-physical signaling mechanisms can work just as well or better in many cases, since no physical effort would be required.

On the other "hand", arms are certainly "necessary" for colgadas, otherwise somebody's hitting the floor, and it won't be me :) ;)

All the best,
Brian Dunn
Dance of the Heart
775 Pleasant Street
Boulder, CO 80302 USA
303-938-0716
www.danceoftheheart.com
?Building a Better World, One Tango at a Time?








Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:34:10 -0500
From: David <dchester@charter.net>
Subject: [Tango-L] Improving Discussion - Clarification of terms
To: tango-l@mit.edu

Brian,

That is an interesting way of describing it. But for me, I'd call the mysterious signaling medium, "vision". Also, if I was in open embrace, (and especially if the follower had her eyes closed), I'd say the signaling medium was my hands or arms. It makes it a little less mysterious for me, rather than thinking of this nebulous thing called "connection".

Regards,

David


> From: "Brian Dunn" <brian@danceoftheheart.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Improving Discussion - Clarification of terms
>
> . . .
>
> Clarification: LEAD
>
> Is it possible to "lead" a follower without touching them? I hope we agree it is
> possible, at least in principle, because everyone in our classes does it in the
> first five minutes of their first class ;).
>
>
> Clarification: CONNECTION
>
> Chicho says (about his lead), "No arms, just connection"...
>
> If it is possible to lead one's partner without touching them (see above), then
> I suppose we could call the mysterious signaling medium that makes this
> communication possible "connection". Perhaps this is what Chicho refers to
> here. But apparently this would not need to be a "physical" connection for the
> lead/follow signal to be received and understood - as, again, our beginner
> students discover in the first five minutes.





Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:49:42 -0700
From: "Brian Dunn" <brian@danceoftheheart.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Improving Discussion - Clarification of terms

Hi David,

You wrote:

>>>

But for me, I'd call the mysterious signaling medium, "vision". Also, if I
was in open embrace, (and especially if the follower had her eyes closed),
I'd say the signaling medium was my hands or arms. It makes it a little
less mysterious for me, rather than thinking of this nebulous thing called
"connection".
<<<

True enough, everybody has their eyes open in the classes when we do this in
our standard curriculum, so certainly vision is commonly involved.

On the other hand, some OTHER communication experiments we run sometimes,
with leader's movements undetectable by intent onlookers, or even with
follower's eyes closed, raise verrry interesting questions. As scientists
like to say at the end of experimental conclusions, "More research is
needed" ;)

In any case, it's meant to be a transitory short-duration learning
experience, to invite people to adopt a useful frame of reference for later
learning. The LAST thing I'd want to do on a tango evening is spend too
much time not touching my partner ;)

Brian Dunn
Dance of the Heart
775 Pleasant Street
Boulder, CO 80302 USA
303-938-0716
www.danceoftheheart.com
"Building a Better World, One Tango at a Time"





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