5570 Shocking "close embrace"
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:51:18 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
--- On Fri, 2/27/09, Endzone 102 <endzone102@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh, dear. Let me tell you something. I sweat. I sweat wearing shorts
in the winter. Being in a dance hall or studio that's over 68 degress
makes
me sweat, even before I start dancing. But thanks for generalizing.
?~~~
I did say "might". I'm sure someone like yourself who is aware of himself takes care to bring a change of shirt or something so that the woman isn't soaked. One of my partners always wears a suit jacket so that the woman doesn't contact his sweat. Chivalry isn't quite dead, yet.
Trini de Pittsburgh
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:39:39 -0500
From: Steve Littler <sl@stevelittler.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
I wear a suit and tie and the ladies really appreciate it. In addition
to unscented deodorant, I cover my skin with extra virgin coconut oil.
The coconut odor dissipates long before I arrive at the milonga and the
antimicrobial properties keep me pretty unscented all night long.
Steve
Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote:
> One of my partners always wears a suit jacket so that the woman doesn't contact his sweat. Chivalry isn't quite dead, yet.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:10:59 -0500
From: joanneprochaska@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
Steve,
Thanks for setting such a great example for others to follow.
Joanne Pogros
Cleveland, Ohio
www.tangocleveland.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Littler <sl@stevelittler.com>
Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 4:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
I wear a suit and tie and the ladies really appreciate it. In addition
to unscented deodorant, I cover my skin with extra virgin coconut oil.
The coconut odor dissipates long before I arrive at the milonga and the
antimicrobial properties keep me pretty unscented all night long.
Steve
Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote:
> One of my partners always wears a suit jacket so that the woman doesn't
contact his sweat. Chivalry isn't quite dead, yet.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:17:12 -0500
From: Endzone 102 <endzone102@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
To: Steve Littler <sl@stevelittler.com>
Cc: Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu>
<694bf47d0902271417l325b070dse8d6388abae20771@mail.gmail.com>
I can't wear a suit and tie. I overheat very badly if I wear long sleeves.
(Yes, I know I'm a border case, and not typical in this at all). I usually
have to change my a-shirt after a milonga tanda. I'll look in to coconut
oil. That sounds interesting.
-Greg G
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Steve Littler <sl@stevelittler.com> wrote:
> I wear a suit and tie and the ladies really appreciate it. In addition
> to unscented deodorant, I cover my skin with extra virgin coconut oil.
> The coconut odor dissipates long before I arrive at the milonga and the
> antimicrobial properties keep me pretty unscented all night long.
>
>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:36:40 -0500
From: sherpal1@aol.com
Subject: [Tango-L] shocking
To: TANGO-L@mit.edu
the ladies are lucky , they get to be sleeveless, backless, in short skirts and waving fans.....I have seen women walk away from sweating men in disgust, wiping their moisture soaked cheeks and running for los banos.? Too sensitive or righteous?? I say come on, not all body fluids are dangerous. sher
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:17:45 -0500
From: Richard Isaacs <RBIsaacs@attglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] shocking
To: sherpal1@aol.com
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
Friday, February 27, 2009, 5:36:40 PM, you wrote:
sac> the ladies are lucky , they get to be sleeveless, backless, in
sac> short skirts and waving fans.....
And yet we leaders are plagued with women who not only are unable to
maintain their own axis, but insist on draping themselves over us (in
an attempt to send us to the chiropractor), while leaving a stain of
deodorant on our jackets as they clutch our hand with their sweaty
palms.
Considering how un-aerobic tango is, I think more tangeros and
tangeras should be getting some actual exercise, and avoiding
this problem altogether.
Regards/Richard
1-212-695-1759
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 13:07:59 +0900
From: Astrid <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
To: Endzone 102 <endzone102@gmail.com>
Cc: Steve Littler <sl@stevelittler.com>, Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu>
I live in Tokyo where summer is basically like a cross between a green
house and a sauna, and all the milongas are air conditioned.
Still, I know exactly who tends to sweat in the milongas and who
doesn't. I know that after dancing close embrace with a certain man all
the hair in and near my face will be dripping with the sweat that ran
from his hair into mine. Do I mind?
Obviously, it is a matter of personal sympathy or not, and,very
important, smell. Fortunately, Japanese do not usually smell, their
sweat glands are smaller and they eat differently and bathe and shower
all the time too.
I have a friend and colleague who does not even sweat much, but he likes
to dress up in shirts, ties and suits, and more often than not those
shirts are made of polyester and he obviously does not wear deodorant
and is from the West, which means, the polyester makes him disaster
prone in this way. So, even though dancing with him can be fun, I
usually try to wriggle out of it after 2 or 3 songs, as I cannot take it
any longer than that, I cannot dance and hold my breath half of the time.
I know another guy who likes to burn a huge amount of energy on the
dance floor, rushing around the room in huge steps, quick turns, spins
and so on and he is a little chubby too and soon sweats profusely while
he does it. He does not smell, he is Japanese, he is fun to dane with,
but you end up getting wet too while dancing with him. Fortunately he
has the good sense of wearing cotton, t shirts, mostly, and he always
comes to the milongas with a Boston bag in which he carries all his
extra shirts, and he changes them in the bathroom every time he got
drenched again which I much appreciate. And he does not embrace you too
closely when he is dripping.
Now, I very much doubt that posture or core muscles have anything to do
with this problem, I do believe that keeping a proper diet with more
vegetables and less red meat, less beer and trying to maintain a healthy
or at least healthier weight would make a lot of difference.
Dressing up in suits and ties can be counter productive as they make you
feel hot, do not ever wear anything knitted to a milonga (it feels awful
to the partner even if you do not sweat), do bring a change of clothes,
and the hosts should make sure that a reasonably cool, fresh climate is
maintained in the room by using air conditioning, opening the windows or
whatever is possible.
Yes, and if you go dancing while being hugely overweight and retaining
plenty of water in your body, well...food for thought. Skinny people do
not really sweat much, so maybe this is one more reason I am so lucky
living in Japan where people live mainly on fish, rice, shredded raw
cabbage, tofu and water.
And Greg, I suggest, you try powder instead of oil, oil might just make
you slippery in addition to being wet.
Astrid
Endzone 102 wrote:
> I can't wear a suit and tie. I overheat very badly if I wear long sleeves.
> (Yes, I know I'm a border case, and not typical in this at all). I usually
> have to change my a-shirt after a milonga tanda. I'll look in to coconut
> oil. That sounds interesting.
>
> -Greg G
>
>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:21:44 +1100
From: Vince Bagu?auskas <vytis@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] shocking
To: <sherpal1@aol.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
Let me say, that backless ladies, especially after a milonga tanda, are often covered in moisture. Icky yes. But I get over it. So should they.
There is a difference in smell between a work-out sweat and those men AND women who hve not showered for a day or more and reek of old sweat. Not accceptable on any counts.
When I did Ceroc, it was a code and taught by the particular teacher I had, that men are to bring along a small face towel to dances. If they sweat a real lot then a change of shirt was required.
Cheers!
Vince
> To: TANGO-L@mit.edu
> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:36:40 -0500
> From: sherpal1@aol.com
> Subject: [Tango-L] shocking
>
> the ladies are lucky , they get to be sleeveless, backless, in short skirts and waving fans
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 16:44:09 +1100
From: Noughts <damian.thompson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] shocking
To: Vince Bagu?auskas <vytis@hotmail.com>
Cc: "<sherpal1@aol.com>" <sherpal1@aol.com>, "<tango-l@mit.edu>"
<tango-l@mit.edu>
How gracious of you all to be so accepting of others and their
personal habits...
Who has the right to tell you to change shirts? Why should we wash 30
shirts a week as opposed to 5? I used to, but then realised that it
wasn't really doing any good anyway. The ladies I danced with were
not protected by a new dry shirt that was within 3 mins a wet drenched
one... And I still had another 3 songs to go...
I usually wear a jacket, even when it's hot, but not always...
People dance with me cause they want to, not cause I'm dry or wearing
a scent. Doesn't mean I not trying to be dry or smell nice, but this
is life - no?
Sent from my iPhone, from somewhere...
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:38:29 -0500
From: Steve Littler <sl@stevelittler.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
To: Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu>
Coconut oil soaks into the skin in a few minutes like skin conditioner.
You won't be slippery.
Steve
Astrid wrote:
>
> And Greg, I suggest, you try powder instead of oil, oil might just
> make you slippery in addition to being wet.
>
> Astrid
>
>
> Endzone 102 wrote:
>> I can't wear a suit and tie. I overheat very badly if I wear long
>> sleeves.
>> (Yes, I know I'm a border case, and not typical in this at all). I
>> usually
>> have to change my a-shirt after a milonga tanda. I'll look in to
>> coconut
>> oil. That sounds interesting.
>>
>> -Greg G
>>
>>
>
>
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:03:58 +0000
From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Shocking "close embrace"
To: "tango-l@mit.edu" <tango-l@mit.edu>
> Fortunately, Japanese do not usually smell, their
> sweat glands are smaller and they eat differently and bathe and shower
> all the time too.
Wetness is one thing, for which I have no input. I know some men and women perspire a lot and get wet, but what it is in their makeup or diet or exercise or lack therof that creates their propensity is a mystery to me.
Odor, however, is a different story. Not bathing regularly or recently leaves bacteria on your skin that creates odor when it gets wet with new sweat. There's also diet and emotional contributions. People who are anxious or nervous, or people who drink a lot of coffee (or mate?) tend to have acrid sweat that has a much stronger and very unpleasant odor. Clean sweat on clean skin is almost odorless, and even contains pheromones that are reputed to be attractive, in an animalistic way, as in, "let's get hot and sweaty."
J
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 18:34:13 +1100
From: Vince Bagu?auskas <vytis@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] shocking
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
I also remember my tango teacher in Canberra and who used to teach all sorts of dances in Brisbane who kept a tray of deodorants and wipes in the men's toilets with a sign that said something about having respect for others, and to use the toiletries on hand.
Cheers!
Vince
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