297 Tango Lyrics Homepage, GONE?
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:11:17 -0600
From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Tango Lyrics Homepage, GONE?
The URL I have for tango lyrics homepage no longer seems to work.
<http://vishnu.nirvana.phys.psu.edu/argentina/tangos/index.html>
Did the page disappear or has it moved?
With best regards,
Steve (de Tejas)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:23:36 -0600
From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Re: Tango Lyrics Homepage, GONE?
The original page Tango Lyrics page still works
http://www.startel.com.ar/gardel/tangos/todas.html
but many of the mirrors seem to be defunct.
--Steve
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:57:33 +0800
From: Donald Hsu <donaldhsu@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Tango Lyrics
I am looking for the lyrics to 'En la buena y en la mala'. Can anyone help? Thank you.
Donald Hsu
Hong Kong
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:32:41 +0100
From: Peter Turowski <tangopeter@GMX.DE>
Subject: Re: Tango Lyrics
Donald wrote:
>I am looking for the lyrics to 'En la buena y en la mala'
If you mean the tango recording by Orquesta De Enrique Rodriguez,
Singer :Armando Moreno, taken in the early 40s -
whow, it's a real hard task, because neither the song can be found under
http://www.todotango.com/ nor
http://argentina.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/tangos/todas.html
-the best sources for tango lyrics on the web.
Only the lyrics of a musically very similar (not to say recycled) tango
are available there: Son Cosas Del Bandoneon ...
They both are among my favourite rodriguez songs -
If I were a native castellano speaker, I could help you,
but unfortunately I'm not, sorry...
Cheers,
Peter
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:43:53 -0500
From: VOZ <tangovoz@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Tango lyrics
There you go guys and girls
By Enrique Rodriguez and Enrique Cadicamo
"En la buena y en la mala"
"En la buena te encontré
y en la mala te perdí
fue tu amor luz de bengala
de azul y verde gala
Mi cartera fue un imán, que a condición
le hizo hacer un simulacro de pasión
Vampiresa de mis noches de champagne,
nunca te olvides de que,
En la buena te encontré
y en la mala te perdí
y jamas un mal recuerdo tendrás de mi.
Callo el telón
sobre tu simulación
difunto ayer de mentira y placer
Es mi esplendor mis billetes y mi amor
fui sin querer un juguete mujer
y porque fui pa vos
un hombre bueno si
hoy sin preocupación pudo decir
que en la buena te encontré
y en la mala te perdí
y al final me siento solo lejos de ti."
Voz
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:01:16 -0700
From: luda_r1 <luda_r1@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Tango lyrics
Folks,
Does anybody know where I can find some of the tangos
sung by the Uruguyan Blanca Mooney? She allegedly
wrote a rather "colorful" repertoire of Lunfardo
lyrics. A quick search on Google turned up very
little, most of it useless.
Luda
=====
"Dance like nobody's watching." Anonymous
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 02:42:00 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Lyrics
I do not think it is necessary at all to understand the lyrics in order to
enjoy dancing tangos or even to become a great tango dancer.
I agree that the lyrics could add another dimension to the experience of
dancing tango. I however, with some exceptions prefer to dance to
instrumental tangos. Dance is related to music not to lyrics.
The discussion of tango lyrics could take hours and hours, so I will limit
my comments to the fact that I doubt very much that any tango song had the
purpose to insult or denigrate women.
Tango Lyrics had different thematic dependent on the period that we analyze.
They were very descriptive of brothels, women that worked in them, pimps
and their clients, at the time of tango formation.
Some of those songs were obscene and indecent but they did not have for
objective to denigrate women at all. Lyrics were purified of indecent
thematic or words or else they were changed all together in due time, so
that tango could be accepted by society at large.
In reference to the subject that we are discussing, after the "brothel
period" we could talk about the "Cabaret period".
Members of a more affluent society stopped patronizing brothels and started
to have "lovers" kept in luxury apartments downtown. They both, man and
woman became frequent clients of the Cabarets. Then we had the ladies that
"worked" in the Cabarets.
The lyrics of this period make reference to young Argentinean girls, usually
of poor origin that lost their moral values blinded by a rich, easy life
style.
The French women that invariably had fallen in love with an Argentinean man
who would bring them to Buenos Aires to work as a prostitute.
Finally the men that paraded those places.
It is very difficult to denigrate women in a society that idealizes them in
general to the point of considering the mother as a sort of a saint. Many
lyrics make reference to this fact as well.
In summary lyrics are merely descriptive of certain type of women. The love
men feel for them acts as a filter of denial. They are unable to understand
the reason their attempts to redemption invariably fail leaving them in
despair and depression. They express their infinite pain and incapacity to
recuperate after being abandoned by the woman they so much loved and tried
to redeem.
Analysis of lyrics verse by verse is extremely interesting and an enriching
experience.
Naturally there are thousands of tangos with lyrics for all tastes and
preferences.
We cannot over simplify.
Happy tangos to all with or without lyrics.
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:13:35 -0700
From: Jean-Marie Herve Michel <jhmichel@STANFORD.EDU>
Subject: Re: Lyrics
Myabe the woman nbever existed an she was just a trap.
herve
Quoting Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>:
> I do not think it is necessary at all to understand the lyrics in order
> to
> enjoy dancing tangos or even to become a great tango dancer.
> I agree that the lyrics could add another dimension to the experience of
> dancing tango. I however, with some exceptions prefer to dance to
> instrumental tangos. Dance is related to music not to lyrics.
>
> The discussion of tango lyrics could take hours and hours, so I will
> limit
> my comments to the fact that I doubt very much that any tango song had
> the
> purpose to insult or denigrate women.
>
> Tango Lyrics had different thematic dependent on the period that we
> analyze.
> They were very descriptive of brothels, women that worked in them,
> pimps
> and their clients, at the time of tango formation.
> Some of those songs were obscene and indecent but they did not have for
> objective to denigrate women at all. Lyrics were purified of indecent
> thematic or words or else they were changed all together in due time, so
> that tango could be accepted by society at large.
>
> In reference to the subject that we are discussing, after the "brothel
> period" we could talk about the "Cabaret period".
>
> Members of a more affluent society stopped patronizing brothels and
> started
> to have "lovers" kept in luxury apartments downtown. They both, man and
> woman became frequent clients of the Cabarets. Then we had the ladies
> that
> "worked" in the Cabarets.
>
> The lyrics of this period make reference to young Argentinean girls,
> usually
> of poor origin that lost their moral values blinded by a rich, easy life
> style.
> The French women that invariably had fallen in love with an Argentinean
> man
> who would bring them to Buenos Aires to work as a prostitute.
> Finally the men that paraded those places.
>
> It is very difficult to denigrate women in a society that idealizes them
> in
> general to the point of considering the mother as a sort of a saint.
> Many
> lyrics make reference to this fact as well.
>
> In summary lyrics are merely descriptive of certain type of women. The
> love
> men feel for them acts as a filter of denial. They are unable to
> understand
> the reason their attempts to redemption invariably fail leaving them in
> despair and depression. They express their infinite pain and incapacity
> to
> recuperate after being abandoned by the woman they so much loved and
> tried
> to redeem.
>
> Analysis of lyrics verse by verse is extremely interesting and an
> enriching
> experience.
>
> Naturally there are thousands of tangos with lyrics for all tastes and
> preferences.
>
> We cannot over simplify.
>
> Happy tangos to all with or without lyrics.
>
>
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:43:29 -0700
From: Barbara Garvey <barbara@TANGOBAR-PRODUCTIONS.COM>
Subject: TANGO LYRICS
In the discussion about tango lyrics and the desireablity of understanding Spanish, it's important to know that MANY tango lyrics are =
full of Lunfardo, a dialect that most hispanohablantes don't understand any more than most English speakers could converse in Cockney. So if =
anyone is trying to decipher lyrics a good Lunfardo dictionary is a must. Several are better. I have 6.
Al and I know a Mexican-American woman whose mother listened to tango on the radio. The little girl and her friends were frustrated because they =
couldn't understand so many of the words. When she grew up she visited Buenos Aires to study Lunfardo, becoming an expert. In fact she tried to =
find a university where she could obtain a doctorate in Lunfardo, but wasn't successful.
As for complaints about the non-p.c. content of tango lyrics, the culture of tango is certainly not all moonlight and roses. Tango is not =
just a dance, but relates to literature, the plastic arts, politics, psychological & economic frustrations, class distinctions, soccer and =
horse-racing, etc etc. Lots of great tangos about horse-racing! I also feel that an interest in the culture of tango makes it much more =
interesting to dance and listen to, and of course to talk about. There are those in the tango world who just like to dance, and many others, =
especially on this List, who like to go deeper, even to the point of fiery emotional outbursts:-)
Barbara in Vallarta
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:27:06 -0300
From: Rubén Carlos Terbalca <rubenmilonga@SINECTIS.COM.AR>
Subject: Re: TANGO LYRICS
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Tenes razon Barbara,
Ademas es imposible obtener un doctorado en lunfardo, ya que por definicion,
"la regla es cambiar el vocablo cuando es conocido".
En distintos periodos el mismo significado adquiere diferentes vocablos
lunfardos para expresarse.
Inclusive la mayoria de los argentinos que aprendieron a bailar desde los
años ´80 no entienden gran parte del lunfardo en las letras--- !!!si hasta
los cantantes argentinos cambian las palabras porque no las conocen!!!.-
Muchos argentinos y cantantes arg.creen que "convento" donde el bandoneon
fue abandonado (Letra de un famoso tango dedicado al bandoneon) es una
residencia para monjes de la iglesia catolica---- y no tiene nada que ver
con "residencia de monjes".El significado es totalmente otro. Ese termino es
" contraccion de un termino lunfardo", cuyo sentido podran encontrar los
estudiosos-
Un abrazo
Ademas las "autoridades" en lunfardo normalmente no lo han hablado en la
infancia ni en la calle.
Publican investigaciones academicas de valor academico.......pero nadie le
preguntó a Virulazo, ni a Pepito Avellaneda....
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 10:43 PM
Subject: [TANGO-L] TANGO LYRICS
In the discussion about tango lyrics and the desireablity of understanding
Spanish, it's important to know that MANY tango lyrics are full of Lunfardo,
a dialect that most hispanohablantes don't understand any more than most
English speakers could converse in Cockney. So if anyone is trying to
decipher lyrics a good Lunfardo dictionary is a must. Several are better. I
have 6.
Al and I know a Mexican-American woman whose mother listened to tango on the
radio. The little girl and her friends were frustrated because they couldn't
understand so many of the words. When she grew up she visited Buenos Aires
to study Lunfardo, becoming an expert. In fact she tried to find a
university where she could obtain a doctorate in Lunfardo, but wasn't
successful.
As for complaints about the non-p.c. content of tango lyrics, the culture of
tango is certainly not all moonlight and roses. Tango is not just a dance,
but relates to literature, the plastic arts, politics, psychological &
economic frustrations, class distinctions, soccer and horse-racing, etc etc.
Lots of great tangos about horse-racing! I also feel that an interest in
the culture of tango makes it much more interesting to dance and listen to,
and of course to talk about. There are those in the tango world who just
like to dance, and many others, especially on this List, who like to go
deeper, even to the point of fiery emotional outbursts:-)
Barbara in Vallarta
