3907 Teaching as a couple - teaching alone
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 03:50:57 +0200
From: Áron ECSEDY <aron@MILONGA.HU>
Subject: Teaching as a couple - teaching alone
Dear Listeros,
Lately I had a debate over this with a very good friend of mine (also
teaching tango). He considers teaching with a partner unneccessary. My
opinion was that it is not effective enough if you teach alone (without a
seasoned follower).
Although, I can dance as a follower, my experiences indicate that teaching
as a couple is a lot more effective, especially with beginners (there was a
period when I was teaching solo in the past). Obviously, this is maybe just
my preferred method of teaching and others may be very adept at teaching
without a regular partner(s)/assistant(s).
Also, it would be great to hear the opinions of ladies who teach without
regular partner(s) (male or female).
If beginner students have any experience with both types and see a tangible
difference, please post some of your observations!
Teaching as a couple has the "downside" that lesson-fees are halved between
you, however there is a bright side of having both roles presented, the
students can see everything 'in action', there are twice as many teachers
per student and a teaching couple usually creates a socially more relaxed
atmosphere. It would be most beneficial to hear how others handle this - if
you are a teaching couple, how you compete (concerning prices) with those
who teach solo or with an advanced student (much lower or no payment).
Cheers,
Aron
Ecsedy Áron
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Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:11:06 -0500
From: "Christopher L. Everett" <ceverett@CEVERETT.COM>
Subject: Re: Teaching as a couple - teaching alone
Aron ECSEDY wrote:
>Also, it would be great to hear the opinions of ladies who teach without
>regular partner(s) (male or female).
>
I'm teaching without a partner, but not out of choice. For now there
is no one that I feel comfortable doing demonstrations of tango with
available on the day & time of my classes.
My preference would be to have at least an advanced student as a partner
so they can see both halves of the equation at the same time. I think
that can inspire them more, if they can see themselves doing what you do.
Also, if they've never seen close embrace before, they have hard time
believing you can do anything besides walking in close embrace. That
was a new one on me, but I can sympathize.
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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:17:52 +0200
From: Andreas Wichter <Andreas.Wichter@GMX.NET>
Subject: Re: Teaching as a couple - teaching alone
Hi Aron,
teaching in a team is definitely the best in my view - and this is
slightly more than "with a partner". A "team" means to me that we both
input more or less the same, and as a result the teaching will be better,
if only because a woman will naturally put more emphasis on followers4
needs (which are all too often getting short shrift).
Also, designing the lessons, concepts and exercises etc is simply better
if two work on it, so ideas will be constantly tested.
Two to tango, two to teach.
Cheers,
Andreas
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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 07:50:14 -0700
From: Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Teaching as a couple - teaching alone
Hey
Our teachers teach in twos - especially the rookies. Usually guy-girl, sometimes 2 girls, who can usually both lead. We have 7 experienced dancers who teach beginners and pre-int. Whoever is available teams up.
A really important advantage of this, in addition to others already mentioned in this thread, is that you can stop excessive talking at the expense of dancing time. It's hard to know how much you talk when it's just you. My people have orders to interrupt each other before the attention span runs out. Whoever is not talking can keep an eye on the crowd and be on the lookout for attention flagging. This happens very rarely, sometimes toward the end of a 1.5-2hr class, thanks to this system of checks and balances.
Tine
"Christopher L. Everett" <ceverett@CEVERETT.COM> wrote:
Aron ECSEDY wrote:
>Also, it would be great to hear the opinions of ladies who teach without
>regular partner(s) (male or female).
>
I'm teaching without a partner, but not out of choice. For now there
is no one that I feel comfortable doing demonstrations of tango with
available on the day & time of my classes.
My preference would be to have at least an advanced student as a partner
so they can see both halves of the equation at the same time. I think
that can inspire them more, if they can see themselves doing what you do.
Also, if they've never seen close embrace before, they have hard time
believing you can do anything besides walking in close embrace. That
was a new one on me, but I can sympathize.
--
Christopher L. Everett
Chief Technology Officer www.medbanner.com
MedBanner, Inc. www.physemp.com
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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:25:01 -0400
From: seth <s1redh@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Teaching as a couple - teaching alone
Hi Aron,
In my opinion a single teacher provides an incomplete tango teaching
experience.
In my book the male teacher teaches the basic techniques.
He SHOULD also dance a LOT with the male student in order to make him feel
what a led woman feels. This is quintessential, and is maybe the one most
important experience of the better Argentine dancers.
Later on, while the female teacher dances with the student, he wiil provide
cues based on his "external" visuals. These include mostly elements of style
like posture, feet placement, adherence to rhythm, etc.
The woman teacher, dancing with the student will be providing the "internal"
feedback, regarding marcas (indications to the follower), holds, pressures,
etc - all the barely visible subtleties of tango.
Male and female teachers are different, not only because of "La Difference",
or because of high heel shoes, (a big thing in dance). A good female teacher
assumes naturally the role of a follower, characterized by sensitivity,
maleability and intuition. This is a hard act for men to follow, IMO
impossible for male teachers used to command. The same applies to single
female teachers, somewhat reversed.
Cheers,
Seth
PS Apologize ladies, men need all the help they can get, you have it much
easier when learning Tango ;->
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On 10/22/05, Áron ECSEDY <aron@milonga.hu> wrote:
>
> Dear Listeros,
>
> Lately I had a debate over this with a very good friend of mine (also
> teaching tango). He considers teaching with a partner unneccessary. My
> opinion was that it is not effective enough if you teach alone (without a
> seasoned follower).
>
> Although, I can dance as a follower, my experiences indicate that teaching
> as a couple is a lot more effective, especially with beginners (there was
> a
> period when I was teaching solo in the past). Obviously, this is maybe
> just
> my preferred method of teaching and others may be very adept at teaching
> without a regular partner(s)/assistant(s).
>
> Also, it would be great to hear the opinions of ladies who teach without
> regular partner(s) (male or female).
>
> If beginner students have any experience with both types and see a
> tangible
> difference, please post some of your observations!
>
> Teaching as a couple has the "downside" that lesson-fees are halved
> between
> you, however there is a bright side of having both roles presented, the
> students can see everything 'in action', there are twice as many teachers
> per student and a teaching couple usually creates a socially more relaxed
> atmosphere. It would be most beneficial to hear how others handle this -
> if
> you are a teaching couple, how you compete (concerning prices) with those
> who teach solo or with an advanced student (much lower or no payment).
>
> Cheers,
> Aron
>
>
>
>
> Ecsedy Áron
> ***********
> Aron ECSEDY
>
> Tel: +36 (20) 329 66 99
> ICQ# 46386265
>
> https://www.holgyvalasz.hu/
> * * * * *
> https://www.milonga.hu/
>
> "Follow those who seek the truth.
> Run from those who claim to have found it."
>
> "There is more than one way to cook an omlette."
>
.
>
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:35:02 -0500
From: Lois Donnay <donnay@DONNAY.NET>
Subject: Re: Teaching as a couple - teaching alone
The great thing about a person teaching alone is that you are certain that
they can both lead and follow - it amazes me that people teach who cannot do
the opposite role. (Male teachers seem to be most guilty of this) Also, I
like it when the teacher can dance with anyone - not just the person that
they taught the pattern to earlier in the day. I think it gives people
confidence that they, too, could be successful at leading or following the
move.
I have a soft spot for female teachers, because the first time I had a
female teacher it was so enlightening! She could hardly speak English, but
she really made it clear what I was doing wrong. Also, female teachers have
the advantage of being able to dance with so many different people. They
have a tremendous vocabulary, along with the sensitivity to know what it is
supposed to feel like.
Lois Donnay
Minneapolis, MN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: seth [mailto:s1redh@GMAIL.COM]
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:25 AM
> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Teaching as a couple - teaching alone
>
>
> Hi Aron,
>
> In my opinion a single teacher provides an incomplete tango
> teaching experience.
>
> In my book the male teacher teaches the basic techniques.
> He SHOULD also dance a LOT with the male student in order to
> make him feel what a led woman feels. This is quintessential,
> and is maybe the one most important experience of the better
> Argentine dancers. Later on, while the female teacher dances
> with the student, he wiil provide cues based on his
> "external" visuals. These include mostly elements of style
> like posture, feet placement, adherence to rhythm, etc.
>
> The woman teacher, dancing with the student will be providing
> the "internal" feedback, regarding marcas (indications to the
> follower), holds, pressures, etc - all the barely visible
> subtleties of tango.
>
> Male and female teachers are different, not only because of
> "La Difference", or because of high heel shoes, (a big thing
> in dance). A good female teacher assumes naturally the role
> of a follower, characterized by sensitivity, maleability and
> intuition. This is a hard act for men to follow, IMO
> impossible for male teachers used to command. The same
> applies to single female teachers, somewhat reversed.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Seth
>
> PS Apologize ladies, men need all the help they can get, you
> have it much easier when learning Tango ;->
