363 Troilo-Mores-Flamenco-Chacarera
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:16:34 -0800
From: Sergio <cachafaz@ADELPHIA.NET>
Subject: Troilo-Mores-Flamenco-Chacarera
Somebody says: "...so Mariano Mores and Troilo are not for dancing...
I want to know about Famenco and chacarera..."
I did not say that Troilo is not for social dancing, I added a question mark
close to his name because most people like to dance to his music. I further
mentioned that one can dance easily to it with some interpretative practice.
La bordona is very beautiful example.
Mariano Mores on the other hand is mostly for listening. You can dance to it
if you wish the same as professional dancers choreograph to Piazzola. Both
may have extreme changes in rhythm and very long pauses.Difficult for social
dancing but not impossible.
Flamenco originated in antiquity. It was already mentioned by the Romans
when they invaded Hispania (Spain).
It is an ancestor of Tanguillo Andaluz, music that is mentioned as being one
of the roots of Argentine Tango. The Dance comes from Andalucia, South
Spain. It has a lot of character, feeling, pride. In that respect it may
have influenced A. Tango.
Feeling is the most important element. The choreography is secondary. It
transfers great emotion to the point of getting goose bumps or tears coming
to your eyes. Sevillanas share these characteristics as well. It combines
guitar, singing, dancing and staccato hand clapping. The flamenco dancer
performs with fervor, tortured expression but always striving for grace and
dignity. Another thing similar to tango is that the dancer does not start
immediately, he waits, absorbing the guitar music, singing and hand clapping
till inspired to dance. It is also improvised.... In summary I am not
surprised that you feel attracted to it since it has so many elements
similar to those that brought your attention to tango.
Chacarera on the other hand is a very easy Argentinean Folk dance. One of
the many, perhaps selected by foreigners due to its simplicity. It is
festive, totally unpretentious. Something easy to do to have fun. I believe
that it comes from The Central West part of Argentina. (Mendoza-San Juan).
Most portenios do not know how to dance it.
I wish you a very Happy New Year. May all your wishes come true.
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:39:44 -0600
From: Karen Whitesell <kglass@MNTVERNON.NET>
Subject: Chacarera
Where can I get the music and the instructions fo the chacarera? I have taken the classes, but can't remember all the details.
My son, the farmer, is getting married in Feb. I think this is something his wedding guests would love to do.
Thanks, Karen
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:31:27 -0800
From: Kos Zahariev <Kos.Zahariev@EC.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Chacarera
>
>Where can I get the music and the instructions fo the chacarera? I have
>taken the classes, but can't remember all the details.
>
A few months ago I was looking for the same. I don't remember finding anything
about teaching the dance itself. I found some info on some contemporary
artists that have recorded chacareras, but thought that what I found looked
very incomplete in terms of what might be available in Argentina.
Here are my notes from that search (see below). They are heavily biased
towards Duo Coplanacu simply because they seemed to have recorded more
chacareras. I haven't bought any of the CDs yet..
If anyone in Argentina has a better idea on where to get chacarera CDs and
who the best artists are for that, please write. Also, please comment on Duo
Coplanacu and the others below if you know their work. Thank you!
El Búlgaro
---------
DUO COPLANACU: Albums: DESDE ADENTRO
Duo Coplanacu
Desde Adentro
2000
# Song Name
1 Flor Azul (Chacarera) (2:42)
2 Sanlorencea (Zamba) (4:20)
3 Pa' los Changos (Bailecito) (2:26)
4 Tempranera (Zamba) (4:53)
5 Yacu Chiri (Chacarera) (2:02)
6 Lucero con Paloma (Cancion) (4:53)
7 180 (Gato) (1:55)
8 Adios Tucuman (Zamba) (4:40)
9 Camino E Telares (Chacarera) (2:26)
10 De Noche (Vidalita) (3:23)
11 Casamiento de Negros (Cueca) (3:35)
12 Corazn Santiagueo (Chacarera) (2:19)
13 Villa Guillermina (Chamame) (3:42)
14 Despedida (Chacarera) (2:09)
Argentinean folk group Duo Coplanacu was formed in 1985 by singer/guitarist
Roberto Cantos and singer/percussionist Julio Paz, who moved from their native
Santiago del Estero to Crdoba to start playing together. After issuing a
self-titled album in 1991, followed by Retiro Al Norte, the duet was joined by
violinist Andrea Leguizamn, making Paisaje in 1997 and Desde Adentro in
1999. A year later, a live album recorded at la Trastienda was released under
the name of El Encuentro. ~ Drago Bonacich, All Music Guide
http://www.coplanacu.com.ar/discografia.htm
http://www.musicstack.com/search/Coplanacu
http://www.dbn-discos.com.ar/Artistas/Artista.asp?CodInt=6815
http://www.dbn-discos.com.ar/album.asp?CodArt=002+3+051758
http://www.dbndiscos.com/Eventos/images/Circulares/1047080428.htm
The Music of the Hermanos Abalos:
http://users.erols.com/abalos/music.html
Javier Rodriguez:
http://www.musicwords.nl/javier.rodriguez.eng.htm
Grupo Lautaro:
http://www.grupolautaro.com.ar/demos.html
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:15:58 -0800
From: Ed Loomis <TangoBear@OSBTOWN.COM>
Subject: (fwd) Re: [TANGO-L] Chacarera
Hi folks,
Complicating all of this is the fact that not all Chacareras are
created equal. Besides the Chacarera Simple with an eight measure
introduction and eight measure vuelta enteras there are Chacarera Truncas,
Chacarera Dobles, and a Chacarera Simple with a six measure intro and six
measure Vuelta enteras. When you finally find that CD with Chacareras on it
to buy don't be shocked if the choreography you have learned doesn't fit
any of the music. The folkloric dances are lots of fun and not anywhere
near as technical as tango but they are another cultural niche that you can
wander off into and get lost in, what with Gato, Zamba, Escondido, and
Malambo too. I've just scratched the surface of it myself. Have fun.
Ciao............
Osito
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:31:27 -0800, Kos Zahariev <Kos.Zahariev@EC.GC.CA>
wrote:
> >Karen Whitesell wrote:
> >Where can I get the music and the instructions fo the chacarera? I have
> >taken the classes, but can't remember all the details.
> >
>
>A few months ago I was looking for the same. I don't remember finding anything
>about teaching the dance itself. I found some info on some contemporary
>artists that have recorded chacareras, but thought that what I found looked
>very incomplete in terms of what might be available in Argentina.
>
>Here are my notes from that search (see below). They are heavily biased
>towards Duo Coplanacu simply because they seemed to have recorded more
>chacareras. I haven't bought any of the CDs yet..
>
>If anyone in Argentina has a better idea on where to get chacarera CDs and
>who the best artists are for that, please write. Also, please comment on Duo
>Coplanacu and the others below if you know their work. Thank you!
>
>El Bzlgaro
>
>---------
>
> DUO COPLANACU: Albums: DESDE ADENTRO
>
>Duo Coplanacu
>Desde Adentro
>2000
>
># Song Name
>
>1 Flor Azul (Chacarera) (2:42)
>2 Sanlorencea (Zamba) (4:20)
>3 Pa' los Changos (Bailecito) (2:26)
>4 Tempranera (Zamba) (4:53)
>5 Yacu Chiri (Chacarera) (2:02)
>6 Lucero con Paloma (Cancion) (4:53)
>7 180 (Gato) (1:55)
>8 Adios Tucuman (Zamba) (4:40)
>9 Camino E Telares (Chacarera) (2:26)
>10 De Noche (Vidalita) (3:23)
>11 Casamiento de Negros (Cueca) (3:35)
>12 Corazn Santiagueo (Chacarera) (2:19)
>13 Villa Guillermina (Chamame) (3:42)
>14 Despedida (Chacarera) (2:09)
>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:25:45 -0500
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Chacarera
>Where can I get the music and the instructions fo the chacarera? I have
>taken the classes, but can't remember all the details.
>
We had the good fortune to meet and become friends with a wonderful fellow
from Argentina. He is a folkloric dancer and a very sweet person. Daniel
Ulises was in Atlanta for several months and he taught us classes on
Chacarera, Gato, Carnavalito and Zamba. I copied some folkloric music of his
into CDs but lamentably, I did not write down the titles or the genres.
Alas, as time has passed I've forgotten the dances and movements, and I
can't even tell for certain a chacarera from a zamba ;-)
Anyway, el bulgaro posted a very nice and informative list of folkloric
music resources and that's probably a good place to start in getting some
music. As for the dance, once the folks who know begin dancing, I can
generally join right in and have a lot of fun, but I cannot start the dances
myself let alone teach them to anybody else. I do however think this is a
wonderful opportunity for the cognoscenti to share their vast and intimate
knowledge of folk dances as well as tango. This would seem an ideal
opportunity to prove the invaluable resource the internet can be as an
educational tool..... Why not teach folk dancing in these forums? I'd be
particularly keen in reading the experts advise in how to do the zapateo and
zarandeo...... I think the media vuelta and vuelta entera could also be
easily explained and taught with a few discussions.........
Best chacareras to all,
Manuel
(Tongue firmly in cheek)
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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:49:17 -0600
From: Hector <maselli@GATE.NET>
Subject: Subject: Re: Chacarera
On Friday, November 21, 2003, at 02:00 AM, WHITE 95 R wrote:
>Alas, as time has passed I've forgotten the dances and movements, and I
>can't even tell for certain a chacarera from a zamba ;-)
Look for the handkerchief gaita. :-)
Hector
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:53:42 -0800
From: Philip Seyer <philipseyer@ILOVEMUSIC.COM>
Subject: chacarera
I hear that Tango by the River (in Old Sacramento, California) is featuring
a class on "chacarera." this Saturday -- 128 J Street.
Please share any knowledge you may have on "chacarera." Thanks. Are my
comments below accurate? What steps would you do to the chacarera rhythm?
My research reverals that chacarera is a rhythmic pattern in 6/8 played in a
quick tempo. Accents occur on pulses 1,3 and 4, and 5 with rests on 2 and 6.
A pulse, here, is a subdivision of a beat. (NOTE: others use the term
"pulse" differently.)
In 6/8 time (in a fast temp) there are typically only 2 beats per measure,
but each beat has 3 pulses. A time signature NEVER tells for sure the
number of beats per measure; it only indicates how many of a certain kind of
note (or notes of equivalent agogic value) appear in a measure. (Willi
Apel/Hardvard Dictionary of Music, Newman Powell, Phd in Musicology,
Stanford University, Phil Seyer, Author of What Makes Music Work)
Here's a crude representation of the rhythmic pattern:
| |
x| 7 x|
| |
.| x| 7
R L R L
where...
|
x| = an 8th note striking rim of drum (with stick in right hand)
|
.| = an 8th note where player strikes skin of drum (with mallot
in left hand)
7 = an 8th note rest (meaning nothing is played)
For better notation, you may want to see:
http://pertout.customer.netspace.net.au/largentinian.htm
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 05:09:31 -0800
From: Kos Zahariev <Kos.Zahariev@EC.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: chacarera
>
>I hear that Tango by the River (in Old Sacramento, California) is featuring
>a class on "chacarera." this Saturday -- 128 J Street.
>
>Please share any knowledge you may have on "chacarera." Thanks. Are my
>comments below accurate? What steps would you do to the chacarera rhythm?
Check this out:
http://www.aquifolklore.com.ar/English/echacarera.htm
http://www.camdipsalta.gov.ar/INFSALTA/chacarera.htm
Images of figures:
http://www.aquifolklore.com.ar/English/egrachacarera.htm
http://www.folkloredelnorte.com.ar/danzas/chaca.gif
http://www.camdipsalta.gov.ar/INFSALTA/chacarera.htm (bottom of page)
>
>My research reverals that chacarera is a rhythmic pattern in 6/8 played in a
>quick tempo. Accents occur on pulses 1,3 and 4, and 5 with rests on 2 and 6.
Apparently it could be 1.3 and 4.6 as well (i.e. first beat repeated) and/or a
mixture of these and some other patterns, for example 1.3 and .5.
See
http://www.jorgecafrune.net/Letras/Acordes_Canciones/Imagenes_de_acordes/Chacarera_de_Gualiama2.jpg
Also see http://www.raulcarnota.com.ar/chacarera.html
Konstantin
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:10:41 -0500
From: jackie ling wong <jackie.wong@VERIZON.NET>
Subject: Chacarera
a quick question...is there musically something in the introduction that alerts the dancers that the chacarera is a doble?
thanks
jackie
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