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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:32:56 +1100
From: Klaus Radek <tangowien@googlemail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Very smooth tango
To: tango-l@mit.edu
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Over recent time I have watched Mario search to find dancers, and
dances, that move him - though often I do find myself not in
agreement with his choice. Then my sister pointed out this guy on
youtube to me (see links under) She says she luckily danced with him
in Poland once. I do agree with her - smooth, musically inventing,
passionate and close connected. Maybe one day I can dance so smooth ..
practice, practice?

Klaus (Wien)

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=6wMpBBqcCB8&feature=related
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=2NgcJxfmdhk&feature=related
http://au.youtube.com/watch?veU24C-On08
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=M_Iq4jy5NQA
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=TYObShuzZ-4
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=l2mDI_o3Bc4







Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:06:57 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Very smooth tango


--- On Mon, 2/2/09, Klaus Radek <tangowien@googlemail.com> wrote:

> From: Klaus Radek <tangowien@googlemail.com>
> Subject: [Tango-L] Very smooth tango
> To: tango-l@mit.edu
> Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 6:32 PM
> Over recent time I have watched Mario search to find
> dancers, and dances, that move him - though often I do find myself not
> in agreement with his choice.

Sometimes, Klaus, it may not be the whole but the part that one can appreciate in a dancer. There are times when I like one aspect of a dancer but I might be so-so on the overall package. Eventually, each dancer brings his/her own individual oomph to the dance and that oomph varies from person to person. When studying with someone, I prefer to pick what interests me about that person the most and I focus on learning that.

Trini de Pittsburgh








Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:47:24 -0500
From: "Nussbaum, Martin" <mnussbau@law.nyc.gov>
Subject: [Tango-L] Very smooth tango= foxtrot, Klaus
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
Cc: tangowien@googlemail.com
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Klaus, I think you should aim higher than the leader in the clips you
chose.
Musical? Yes.
Smooth? Absolutely.
Connected? ... maybe, but he might as well have been dancing foxtrot.
His right palm was on the followers left rib in most of the sequences I
viewed, keeping a four-square ballroom type frame. To me, this is not
tango, it is ballroom, or foxtrot. Don't misunderstand me, I love nuevo
and modern tango styling, but I call this foxtrot tango. Tango has an
asymmetrical embrace, closer on the right side. Most of the time he
kept a parallel, symmetrical embrace, and occasionally came in closer on
his right side for certain moves. Tango is the opposite. If you do not
need to open the embrace for a move, your default should be an
asymmetrical embrace, more closed on the leaders right side, closer to
her left side, and more open on the leaders left side. When you need to
vary it when the move calls for it, open the embrace more to allow for
turns or larger moves. This gives a more passionate appearance to the
dance, as if the man wants to always return to the woman.
Here is an example of what I am talking about, of an artist who dances
in a modern style, yet also retains the tango feel, embrace, and passion
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlmNhQpex8M






Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:29:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Dylan <jackdylan007@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Very smooth tango= foxtrot, Klaus
To: tango-l@mit.edu

C'mon, Martin, you've gone from a very ordinary, intermediate?nobody,
like many of us I suspect, to one of the world's greatest exponents of
Tango. Not really a fair comparison.

But, you're right, Klaus should be aiming a lot, lot?higher.

Jack



----- Original Message ----

> From: "Nussbaum, Martin" mnussbau@law.nyc.gov

> Here is an example of what I am talking about, of an artist who dances
> in a modern style, yet also retains the tango feel, embrace, and passion
> : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlmNhQpex8M
>











Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:04:43 -0700
From: David Thorn <thorn-inside@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Very smooth tango= foxtrot, Klaus
To: tango-l <tango-l@mit.edu>


Martin Nussbaum wrote:

>> Klaus, I think you should aim higher than the leader in the clips you chose.
>> Musical? Yes.
>> Smooth? Absolutely.
>> Connected? ... maybe, but he might as well have been dancing foxtrot.

For whatever it is worth, I believe that this dancer placed 3rd in the 2007 Australian Stage
Tango Competition. Clearly, there are some who do like this style. But, here I have
to agree with Martin that, for me also, this doesn't have the feel of tango.

There are a fair number of modern/nuevo tango instructors I have seen who
dance similarly. Very smooth, good musicality, clear lead, cool stuff, but a very boxy
disconnected look. I don't see the feeling I expect from tango. From such I too try to learn the
parts that I do like. But I want my dance to look more like I am feeling the music at my core.


OTOH, I probably look like the stiff, middle aged, uptight white guy that I am and would
do well to convey half the feeling that this dancer does.

Oh well

David

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:13:11 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Very smooth tango
To: Tango-L List <tango-l@mit.edu>


Osvaldo Zotto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9mGaSPm97A

Damian
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=2NgcJxfmdhk&feature=related


Here we have two couples dancing tango. Osvaldo Zotto one of the best dancers of traditional tango (IMO).

Perfect posture, V embrace open or closed as needed, stepping with toes first, long steps. Perfect tecnique, use of figures, mixed with walks, and pauses; as well as the use of variation in dynamics, according to the music.

Feeling, connection and passion are present. .

Gives to the figures the same importance as to the walks

Damian has mostly an open embrace, perhaps to open, good posture, has good knowledge of tango choreography, using multiple elements, sucha as boleos, amagues, cuchillas, etc.

He obviously gives more importance to the figures than to the walks (that are absent), there is no feeling, no passion, no pauses,

An example of tango choreography used by somebody that has no feeling for the authentic Argentine tango music, somebody that
probably dances tango to "non-tango music". The result is a tango that looks like a fox-trot.

Having said that, I must accept that Damian's dancing is esthetically beautiful as well, but different from that of Osvaldo.
He is technically a good dancer and probably a teacher as well. He shows better feeling and connection when dancing to non-tango music.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=6wMpBBqcCB8&feature=related

Best regards, Sergio




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