4726 The ZVI MIGDAL group
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:25:15 +0000 (GMT)
From: Lucia <curvasreales@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: Hector Pablo Pereyra <pablo@thezvimigdal.com>, tango-l@mit.edu
Hector,
Why did your group of musicians name itself after an infamous white slavery organization, the "Zvi Migdal" that kidnapped and smuggled girls from Europe to Argentina and the South America and forced them into prostitution, for 50 long years?!
Looking at your description of the Zvi Migdal operation on your website https://www.thezvimigdal.com/band/name.html, you seem to be proud of your choice. A leer, maybe...
In our times, when forced prostitution is such a grave worldwide problem, your group displays an atrocious bad taste, to say the very least.
Lucia
PS As an idea, I don't know where you are playing, but I would boycott you, for sure.
Hector Pablo Pereyra <pablo@thezvimigdal.com> escribi?: Write less, have more sex, shake your hips and butts as much as you want
there and when you are done go and dance tango!!!
P.
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:48:13 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
Then you'd be missing a treat. Zvi Migdal came twice to
Pittsburgh last year and both times provided an
entertaining and educational concert that gave us a glimpse
of Argentine culture and history. Their name is
thought-provoking and adds to the event.
Trini de Pittsburgh
--- Lucia <curvasreales@yahoo.com.ar> wrote:
> Hector,
>
> Why did your group of musicians name itself after an
> infamous white slavery organization, the "Zvi Migdal"
> that kidnapped and smuggled girls from Europe to
> Argentina and the South America and forced them into
> prostitution, for 50 long years?!
>
> Looking at your description of the Zvi Migdal operation
> on your website
> https://www.thezvimigdal.com/band/name.html, you seem to
> be proud of your choice. A leer, maybe...
>
> In our times, when forced prostitution is such a grave
> worldwide problem, your group displays an atrocious bad
> taste, to say the very least.
>
> Lucia
>
> PS As an idea, I don't know where you are playing, but
> I would boycott you, for sure.
>
PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular social dance.
https://patangos.home.comcast.net/
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:39:53 -0500
From: Hector Pablo Pereyra <pablo@thezvimigdal.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Dear Lucia,
I happen to live in a country that has coined the term "politically
correct". Meaning, we change the words but keep the meaning: we are
called Hispanics or a minority here, but we are still spicks, guidos,
and other names. We call the INVASION to Iraq a war and justify it in
the "weapons of mass destruction" that never existed. In the name of
"democracy" we lynch a tyrant. Yes, Saddam Hussein was a tyrant and a
mean motherfucker if you want to call him so, but also institutions like
democracy depend on respect, and life and death are very serious
matters, they don't or shouldn't belong to a cowboy movie.
By the same token we tend to deny and adapt things to our preferences.
Tango more than this "romantic and sensual" music that we want it to be,
is a music that depicts the struggle of the masses. In is inception it
developed from the lower classes , it grew at the "patios" of the
"conventillos", where rejected immigrants, the same ones that brought
their political ideas to a country ruled by vicious oligarquy; the same
ones that fought for public education and free health care, the same
ones that fought for their right to vote (for their sons, for the next
generations of Argentineans, for you, for me).
Rejected by "society", the tango, found a melting pot at the bordellos
and it meshed it's misery with that of those poor girls and abusive
pimps. Do not take me wrong, I don't endorse those activities. I, as an
artist and a natural born provoker, bring this historic facts to light.
We can not deny that it is a truth of the history of tango and its
evolution. The same tango, misogynistic, macho and some times brutal
that everyone dances without asking themselves what the fuck does this
mean ("no te parto de un tortazo, por no pegarte en la calle", "y le
fajo 34 pu?aladas en el vientre", "c?mo una mujer no entiende nunca...",
"me veras siempre golpeandote como un malvao"). Not to mention "codes"
that everyone seems to like nowadays and tries to bring back, like the
"cabeceo"- that disrespectful way of nodding to a woman (should I say a
"piece of flesh"?) because you are not "macho" enough to go to her and
simply and respectfully ask.
I grew up during the last military dictatorship and was told among other
things that "silence was health". Well, that silence carried the
desperate cries of the 30.000 people slaughtered by tyranny. We don't
revise our past because it is "embarrassing" to us but if we don't put
up with it, it will come back to haunt us.
I rather confront our own weaknesses in the hope that by understanding
them we won't walk the same path.
As for boycotting my band (I am the one that came up with the name), you
are very welcome. Non-consensus is a prerogative of democracy. I will
permit myself to broaden your list of bands, places and people to boycott:
kiss: they use the SS in their logo. (maybe they are antisemitic? Don't
buy their records)
Lansky (a lounge in the lower east side): Accountant for Lucky Luciano
(don't have a drink there! Really baaad ass place!)
Wagner (whatever you do, don't listen to him. It inspired Hitler)
Nietzsche (when he speaks about the super man, he sounds like Josef Mengele)
Borges: be careful with that guy, his literature is plagued with
assassins and malevos and prostitutes
Finally, don't forget that the axis of evil is not Bin Laden, it is
IGNORANCE.
Have a good night
Pablo Pereyra
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:40:47 -0700
From: "David Hodgson" <DHodgson@TangoLabyrinth.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
Hey Hector;
I would be interested to hear your band if we were still in the same town. I
really don?t care what you call your band it is yours (you could call it My
friend flicka for all I care. Hell you should hear some of the band names I
have danced to).
How ever I do not see you answered the question.
I am only curious.
>>From a WAS (I dropped the "P" because I understand my family originally
immigrated because of religious persecution and being protestant was not
part of that reason).
Zorrito
PS: Please do not include me in the "we", with your description of the Tango
music.
Gracias
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:40 PM
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
Dear Lucia,
I happen to live in a country that has coined the term "politically
correct". Meaning, we change the words but keep the meaning: we are
called Hispanics or a minority here, but we are still spicks, guidos,
and other names. We call the INVASION to Iraq a war and justify it in
the "weapons of mass destruction" that never existed. In the name of
"democracy" we lynch a tyrant. Yes, Saddam Hussein was a tyrant and a
mean motherfucker if you want to call him so, but also institutions like
democracy depend on respect, and life and death are very serious
matters, they don't or shouldn't belong to a cowboy movie.
By the same token we tend to deny and adapt things to our preferences.
Tango more than this "romantic and sensual" music that we want it to be,
is a music that depicts the struggle of the masses. In is inception it
developed from the lower classes , it grew at the "patios" of the
"conventillos", where rejected immigrants, the same ones that brought
their political ideas to a country ruled by vicious oligarquy; the same
ones that fought for public education and free health care, the same
ones that fought for their right to vote (for their sons, for the next
generations of Argentineans, for you, for me).
Rejected by "society", the tango, found a melting pot at the bordellos
and it meshed it's misery with that of those poor girls and abusive
pimps. Do not take me wrong, I don't endorse those activities. I, as an
artist and a natural born provoker, bring this historic facts to light.
We can not deny that it is a truth of the history of tango and its
evolution. The same tango, misogynistic, macho and some times brutal
that everyone dances without asking themselves what the fuck does this
mean ("no te parto de un tortazo, por no pegarte en la calle", "y le
fajo 34 pu?aladas en el vientre", "c?mo una mujer no entiende nunca...",
"me veras siempre golpeandote como un malvao"). Not to mention "codes"
that everyone seems to like nowadays and tries to bring back, like the
"cabeceo"- that disrespectful way of nodding to a woman (should I say a
"piece of flesh"?) because you are not "macho" enough to go to her and
simply and respectfully ask.
I grew up during the last military dictatorship and was told among other
things that "silence was health". Well, that silence carried the
desperate cries of the 30.000 people slaughtered by tyranny. We don't
revise our past because it is "embarrassing" to us but if we don't put
up with it, it will come back to haunt us.
I rather confront our own weaknesses in the hope that by understanding
them we won't walk the same path.
As for boycotting my band (I am the one that came up with the name), you
are very welcome. Non-consensus is a prerogative of democracy. I will
permit myself to broaden your list of bands, places and people to boycott:
kiss: they use the SS in their logo. (maybe they are antisemitic? Don't
buy their records)
Lansky (a lounge in the lower east side): Accountant for Lucky Luciano
(don't have a drink there! Really baaad ass place!)
Wagner (whatever you do, don't listen to him. It inspired Hitler)
Nietzsche (when he speaks about the super man, he sounds like Josef Mengele)
Borges: be careful with that guy, his literature is plagued with
assassins and malevos and prostitutes
Finally, don't forget that the axis of evil is not Bin Laden, it is
IGNORANCE.
Have a good night
Pablo Pereyra
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:19:38 +0000 (GMT)
From: Lucia <curvasreales@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: Hector Pablo Pereyra <pablo@thezvimigdal.com>, tango-l@mit.edu
Dear Pablo,
You have avoided answering my question at long length. Unless it is by the following statement, which doesn't say anything germane neither:
"I rather confront our own weaknesses in the hope that by understanding
them we won't walk the same path."
So here it is again: what made you chose the name of a repugnant organization for your band? In a dualistic world, some will see your choice as an act of celebration. Will others see you as flag bearers against human trafficking?
Lucia
PS Did you consider entering politics?
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:02:55 -0500
From: Jake Spatz <spatz@tangoDC.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: tango-l@mit.edu
I believe Pablo's reply indicates that his group's name is a rather
aggressive "forget-me-not"... He hasn't avoided answering any questions
(unless you need everything s p e l l e d o u t for you and s p o o
n f e d). But anyone is welcome to boycott old Dead Kennedys CDs too, if
they don't like unpleasant reminders. (Stick to the tango, if you're in
that category... it's nice and sanitized. "Oh, honey, look-- tango
people. I hear that dance came from the whorehouses! That's so... film
noir-- isn't it now?")
JS
DC
Lucia wrote:
> Dear Pablo,
>
> You have avoided answering my question at long length. Unless it is by the following statement, which doesn't say anything germane neither:
>
> "I rather confront our own weaknesses in the hope that by understanding
> them we won't walk the same path."
>
> So here it is again: what made you chose the name of a repugnant organization for your band? In a dualistic world, some will see your choice as an act of celebration. Will others see you as flag bearers against human trafficking?
>
> Lucia
>
> PS Did you consider entering politics?
>
>
>
>
>
> Pregunt?. Respond?. Descubr?.
> Todo lo que quer?as saber, y lo que ni imaginabas,
> est? en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta).
> Probalo ya!
>
>
>
>
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:19:30 +0000 (GMT)
From: Lucia <curvasreales@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: Jake Spatz <spatz@tangoDC.com>, tango-l@mit.edu
Jake Spatz:
Don't be naive. The Zvi Migdal was notoriously a Jewish organization. Is this the aggressive "forget-me-not" intent of the group? Yes, I would like to be spoonfed...
Lucia
Jake Spatz <spatz@tangoDC.com> escribi?: I believe Pablo's reply indicates that his group's name is a rather
aggressive "forget-me-not"... He hasn't avoided answering any questions
(unless you need everything s p e l l e d o u t for you and s p o o
n f e d). But anyone is welcome to boycott old Dead Kennedys CDs too, if
they don't like unpleasant reminders. (Stick to the tango, if you're in
that category... it's nice and sanitized. "Oh, honey, look-- tango
people. I hear that dance came from the whorehouses! That's so... film
noir-- isn't it now?")
JS
DC
Lucia wrote:
> Dear Pablo,
>
> You have avoided answering my question at long length. Unless it is by the following statement, which doesn't say anything germane neither:
>
> "I rather confront our own weaknesses in the hope that by understanding
> them we won't walk the same path."
>
> So here it is again: what made you chose the name of a repugnant organization for your band? In a dualistic world, some will see your choice as an act of celebration. Will others see you as flag bearers against human trafficking?
>
> Lucia
>
> PS Did you consider entering politics?
>
>
>
>
>
> Pregunt?. Respond?. Descubr?.
> Todo lo que quer?as saber, y lo que ni imaginabas,
> est? en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta).
> Probalo ya!
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:37:46 +0000 (GMT)
From: Lucia <curvasreales@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: "Trini y Sean \(PATangoS\)" <patangos@yahoo.com>, Tango-L
> "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com> escribi?:Their name is
thought-provoking and adds to the event.
> Trini de Pittsburgh
Trini,
I can think of a few other thought-provoking names: The NSDAP Band (that's the Nazi party name), the Ku Klux Klan Band, then a name that will resonate with our British friends, The N9S or a name that will resonate with the Italians, the Mafia group. Or, why not the Nigger Boys and Girls Slave Running Band?
Shall everything be acceptable and fun? Doesn't this attitude cheapen history and memory and makes the horrendous acceptable and more palatable?
Lucia
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:12:07 -0700
From: "David Hodgson" <DHodgson@TangoLabyrinth.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: "'Lucia'" <curvasreales@yahoo.com.ar>, "Tango L list"
Lucia;
You have to dig deeper and get right down to a band and name that emulates
"notorious".
ABBA.....
-----Original Message-----
From: tango-l-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:tango-l-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of
Lucia
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:38 AM
To: Trini y Sean (PATangoS); Tango-L
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
> "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com> escribi?:Their name is
thought-provoking and adds to the event.
> Trini de Pittsburgh
Trini,
I can think of a few other thought-provoking names: The NSDAP Band
(that's the Nazi party name), the Ku Klux Klan Band, then a name that will
resonate with our British friends, The N9S or a name that will resonate
with the Italians, the Mafia group. Or, why not the Nigger Boys and Girls
Slave Running Band?
Shall everything be acceptable and fun? Doesn't this attitude cheapen
history and memory and makes the horrendous acceptable and more palatable?
Lucia
Pregunt?. Respond?. Descubr?.
Todo lo que quer?as saber, y lo que ni imaginabas,
est? en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta).
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From: tango-l-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:tango-l-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of
Lucia
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:38 AM
To: Trini y Sean (PATangoS); Tango-L
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
> "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)"
escribi?:Their name is
thought-provoking and adds to the event.
> Trini de Pittsburgh
Trini,
I can think of a few other thought-provoking names: The NSDAP Band
(that's the Nazi party name), the Ku Klux Klan Band, then a name that will
resonate with our British friends, The N9S or a name that will resonate
with the Italians, the Mafia group. Or, why not the Nigger Boys and Girls
Slave Running Band?
Shall everything be acceptable and fun? Doesn't this attitude cheapen
history and memory and makes the horrendous acceptable and more palatable?
Lucia
Pregunt?. Respond?. Descubr?.
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From: tango-l-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:tango-l-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of
Lucia
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:38 AM
To: Trini y Sean (PATangoS); Tango-L
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
> "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" escribi?:Their name is
thought-provoking and adds to the event.
> Trini de Pittsburgh
Trini,
I can think of a few other thought-provoking names: The NSDAP Band
(that's the Nazi party name), the Ku Klux Klan Band, then a name that will
resonate with our British friends, The N9S or a name that will resonate
with the Italians, the Mafia group. Or, why not the Nigger Boys and Girls
Slave Running Band?
Shall everything be acceptable and fun? Doesn't this attitude cheapen
history and memory and makes the horrendous acceptable and more palatable?
Lucia
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_____
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:52:24 -0500
From: Jake Spatz <spatz@tangoDC.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Okay, Lucia-- spoon by spoon:
The documentary dealing with the Dixie Chicks and their singer's
political outspokenness is titled "Shut Up and Sing." This title is a
quote of THEIR OPPOSITION's attitude.
There was a well-known punk band called The Dead Kennedys. The group's
name was a REMINDER, the gesture of that name an aggressive statement of
fact. An _unwillingness_, you might say, to let fact be forgotten,
elegized, paved over. The semantic gesture is rather like the image of
blood (or an unburied body) crying out for vengeance in the Bible.
Towards the other end of the semantic spectrum, there also was a
well-known group named Nirvana, whose music was almost universally
recognized as the embodiment of angst. I've always taken the name to be
a Foil to the band's music: it hovers over everything like an ideal,
falsified or at least challenged by the reality of the music-- and the
music thereby comes to seem more legitimately "reality," due to the
contrast. This is much like Italian poet Giuseppe Ungaretti calling his
first book (dealing with metaphysical alienation, loss, WWI)
"L'allegria" ("Joy"). The point is that there is None in the book.
The notion that a name, or the presentation of a subject, is ipso facto
_an endorsement_ belongs to facile theorists. There is power in the
presentation of a negative. The image of the crucifix is one rather
glaring example. Calling one's band Public Enemy is another.
Now, I haven't heard Pablo's group, and I don't know Pablo. Judging from
the contents of his recent post, I'd say the name of his group is a
defiance along these very lines. He even comes down hard on the cabeceo
(or a certain way of doing it), linking it to sleaze. If my
understanding of his band's name is off, I'm sure he knows how to say so.
Last spoon-- if you've eaten it this far: An explanation such as mine is
NOT an endorsement either. Do I like the band name? Eh... a bit obscure,
a bit heavy-handed. But again, I don't know the band. It could very well
be brilliant, but making it so is a tall order. It's certainly
provocative, but the question is what that provocation has to do with
the band's material and its stance within the larger musical context.
How any of this concerns "acceptable and fun" is beyond me.
JS
DC
Lucia wrote:
>> "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com> escribi?:Their name is
>>
> thought-provoking and adds to the event.
>
> > Trini de Pittsburgh
>
> Trini,
>
> I can think of a few other thought-provoking names: The NSDAP Band (that's the Nazi party name), the Ku Klux Klan Band, then a name that will resonate with our British friends, The N9S or a name that will resonate with the Italians, the Mafia group. Or, why not the Nigger Boys and Girls Slave Running Band?
>
> Shall everything be acceptable and fun? Doesn't this attitude cheapen history and memory and makes the horrendous acceptable and more palatable?
>
> Lucia
>
>
>
>
>
> Pregunt?. Respond?. Descubr?.
> Todo lo que quer?as saber, y lo que ni imaginabas,
> est? en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta).
> Probalo ya!
>
>
>
>
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:05:19 +0000 (GMT)
From: Lucia <curvasreales@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: Jake Spatz <spatz@tangoDC.com>, tango-l@mit.edu
Jake Spatz:
I thought you were naive. I was wrong. It's worse.
Lucia
Jake Spatz <spatz@tangoDC.com> escribi?: Okay, Lucia-- spoon by spoon:
The documentary dealing with the Dixie Chicks and their singer's
political outspokenness is titled "Shut Up and Sing." This title is a
quote of THEIR OPPOSITION's attitude.
There was a well-known punk band called The Dead Kennedys. The group's
name was a REMINDER, the gesture of that name an aggressive statement of
fact. An _unwillingness_, you might say, to let fact be forgotten,
elegized, paved over. The semantic gesture is rather like the image of
blood (or an unburied body) crying out for vengeance in the Bible.
Towards the other end of the semantic spectrum, there also was a
well-known group named Nirvana, whose music was almost universally
recognized as the embodiment of angst. I've always taken the name to be
a Foil to the band's music: it hovers over everything like an ideal,
falsified or at least challenged by the reality of the music-- and the
music thereby comes to seem more legitimately "reality," due to the
contrast. This is much like Italian poet Giuseppe Ungaretti calling his
first book (dealing with metaphysical alienation, loss, WWI)
"L'allegria" ("Joy"). The point is that there is None in the book.
The notion that a name, or the presentation of a subject, is ipso facto
_an endorsement_ belongs to facile theorists. There is power in the
presentation of a negative. The image of the crucifix is one rather
glaring example. Calling one's band Public Enemy is another.
Now, I haven't heard Pablo's group, and I don't know Pablo. Judging from
the contents of his recent post, I'd say the name of his group is a
defiance along these very lines. He even comes down hard on the cabeceo
(or a certain way of doing it), linking it to sleaze. If my
understanding of his band's name is off, I'm sure he knows how to say so.
Last spoon-- if you've eaten it this far: An explanation such as mine is
NOT an endorsement either. Do I like the band name? Eh... a bit obscure,
a bit heavy-handed. But again, I don't know the band. It could very well
be brilliant, but making it so is a tall order. It's certainly
provocative, but the question is what that provocation has to do with
the band's material and its stance within the larger musical context.
How any of this concerns "acceptable and fun" is beyond me.
JS
DC
Lucia wrote:
>> "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)"
escribi?:Their name is
>>
> thought-provoking and adds to the event.
>
> > Trini de Pittsburgh
>
> Trini,
>
> I can think of a few other thought-provoking names: The NSDAP Band (that's the Nazi party name), the Ku Klux Klan Band, then a name that will resonate with our British friends, The N9S or a name that will resonate with the Italians, the Mafia group. Or, why not the Nigger Boys and Girls Slave Running Band?
>
> Shall everything be acceptable and fun? Doesn't this attitude cheapen history and memory and makes the horrendous acceptable and more palatable?
>
> Lucia
>
>
>
>
>
> Pregunt?. Respond?. Descubr?.
> Todo lo que quer?as saber, y lo que ni imaginabas,
> est? en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta).
> Probalo ya!
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:30:24 +0000
From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
If a band has a passionate issue they believe in, and they spend time/money resolving/promoting it, then there's a first-level validity for them to use a name that evokes the issue. But if they pick a name that, while they might recognize and agree in the inappropriateness of the group/issue from which they borrowed the name, if they do nothing else towards the issue, no other involvement, activism, etc., then they are just opportunists, picking a name with shock value just to be remembered and noticed. Every publicist and photo-op manipulator knows the advertising value of scandal. Calling their choice of a name a forget-me-not is a little... sorry Jake, don't have your vocabulary to pick the exact right word here, but it's like conveniently going along with the game, wink wink.
In picking such a name, again without any other involvement or activism, the importance of the issue is unavoidably trivialized. Women being kidnapped or otherwise coerced/manipulated into slavery and prostitution is Still, Today, a Huge world-wide problem that hardly gets the press and visibility that it deserves, largely because it has been a part of certain cultures (think Bangkok) for so long that it's accepted, and it's so deeply ingrained in the power/economic structure that it's effectively impossible to eradicate it.
In sum, I think they're just using the issue/name opportunistically, for their own notariety, and in the process they're minimizing the shock of it in the repetition, and are doing nothing to foster a continuing attitude of let's-not-forget-the-horror, quite the opposite in fact in the creation of an association of commonness.
J in Portland
Apologies for such an off-topic post.
> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:52:24 -0500> From: spatz@tangoDC.com> To: tango-l@mit.edu> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group> > Okay, Lucia-- spoon by spoon:> > The documentary dealing with the Dixie Chicks and their singer's > political outspokenness is titled "Shut Up and Sing." This title is a > quote of THEIR OPPOSITION's attitude.> > There was a well-known punk band called The Dead Kennedys. The group's > name was a REMINDER, the gesture of that name an aggressive statement of > fact. An _unwillingness_, you might say, to let fact be forgotten, > elegized, paved over. The semantic gesture is rather like the image of > blood (or an unburied body) crying out for vengeance in the Bible.> > Towards the other end of the semantic spectrum, there also was a > well-known group named Nirvana, whose music was almost universally > recognized as the embodiment of angst. I've always taken the name to be > a Foil to the band's music: it hovers over everything like an ideal, > f!
alsified or at least challenged by the reality of the music-- and the > music thereby comes to seem more legitimately "reality," due to the > contrast. This is much like Italian poet Giuseppe Ungaretti calling his > first book (dealing with metaphysical alienation, loss, WWI) > "L'allegria" ("Joy"). The point is that there is None in the book.> > The notion that a name, or the presentation of a subject, is ipso facto > _an endorsement_ belongs to facile theorists. There is power in the > presentation of a negative. The image of the crucifix is one rather > glaring example. Calling one's band Public Enemy is another.> > Now, I haven't heard Pablo's group, and I don't know Pablo. Judging from > the contents of his recent post, I'd say the name of his group is a > defiance along these very lines. He even comes down hard on the cabeceo > (or a certain way of doing it), linking it to sleaze. If my > understanding of his band's name is off, I'm sure he knows how to say so.> > Las!
t spoon-- if you've eaten it this far: An explanation such as mine is
> NOT an endorsement either. Do I like the band name? Eh... a bit obscure, > a bit heavy-handed. But again, I don't know the band. It could very well > be brilliant, but making it so is a tall order. It's certainly > provocative, but the question is what that provocation has to do with > the band's material and its stance within the larger musical context.> > How any of this concerns "acceptable and fun" is beyond me.> > JS> DC> > > Lucia wrote:> >> "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com> escribi?:Their name is> >> > > thought-provoking and adds to the event.> > > > > Trini de Pittsburgh> > > > Trini,> > > > I can think of a few other thought-provoking names: The NSDAP Band (that's the Nazi party name), the Ku Klux Klan Band, then a name that will resonate with our British friends, The N9S or a name that will resonate with the Italians, the Mafia group. Or, why not the Nigger Boys and Girls Slave Running Band?> > > > Shall everything be acceptable and fun? Doesn't thi!
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:00:07 -0500
From: Jake Spatz <spatz@tangoDC.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Jay,
Unless the end of my post was cut off, I believe you'll see that I
rather agree with you. And to repeat: I don't know the band or its
music, and I don't know if they live up to the implicit gesture of that
name.
That said...
Given Pablo's comments and quotations (not that I can place those lines
in their songs, if they're from songs), I suspect that the gesture of
his band name is intended to turn people's eyes on the tango in general,
its poster-persona and its codes. Perhaps the implication is that "tango
culture" is no better than the flesh trade (which his remark on the
cabeceo certainly implies). Or that we ought to be aware of the words
we're dancing to, and the world those words come from.
Whether such particular points come across in the band's art, or just in
Pablo's post, is out of my reach. But I'll certainly forbear calling him
a hot-topic bandwagoner until I know more. I'm only _explaining_ the
semantics of usage here; perhaps he can _justify_ his appropriation of
it himself.
JS
DC
Jay Rabe wrote:
> If a band has a passionate issue they believe in, and they spend time/money resolving/promoting it, then there's a first-level validity for them to use a name that evokes the issue. But if they pick a name that, while they might recognize and agree in the inappropriateness of the group/issue from which they borrowed the name, if they do nothing else towards the issue, no other involvement, activism, etc., then they are just opportunists, picking a name with shock value just to be remembered and noticed. Every publicist and photo-op manipulator knows the advertising value of scandal. Calling their choice of a name a forget-me-not is a little... sorry Jake, don't have your vocabulary to pick the exact right word here, but it's like conveniently going along with the game, wink wink.
> In picking such a name, again without any other involvement or activism, the importance of the issue is unavoidably trivialized. Women being kidnapped or otherwise coerced/manipulated into slavery and prostitution is Still, Today, a Huge world-wide problem that hardly gets the press and visibility that it deserves, largely because it has been a part of certain cultures (think Bangkok) for so long that it's accepted, and it's so deeply ingrained in the power/economic structure that it's effectively impossible to eradicate it.
> In sum, I think they're just using the issue/name opportunistically, for their own notariety, and in the process they're minimizing the shock of it in the repetition, and are doing nothing to foster a continuing attitude of let's-not-forget-the-horror, quite the opposite in fact in the creation of an association of commonness.
>
> J in Portland
>
> Apologies for such an off-topic post.
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:52:24 -0500> From: spatz@tangoDC.com> To: tango-l@mit.edu> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group> > Okay, Lucia-- spoon by spoon:> > The documentary dealing with the Dixie Chicks and their singer's > political outspokenness is titled "Shut Up and Sing." This title is a > quote of THEIR OPPOSITION's attitude.> > There was a well-known punk band called The Dead Kennedys. The group's > name was a REMINDER, the gesture of that name an aggressive statement of > fact. An _unwillingness_, you might say, to let fact be forgotten, > elegized, paved over. The semantic gesture is rather like the image of > blood (or an unburied body) crying out for vengeance in the Bible.> > Towards the other end of the semantic spectrum, there also was a > well-known group named Nirvana, whose music was almost universally > recognized as the embodiment of angst. I've always taken the name to be > a Foil to the band's music: it hovers over everything like an ideal, > !
falsified or at least challenged by the reality of the music-- and the > music thereby comes to seem more legitimately "reality," due to the > contrast. This is much like Italian poet Giuseppe Ungaretti calling his > first book (dealing with metaphysical alienation, loss, WWI) > "L'allegria" ("Joy"). The point is that there is None in the book.> > The notion that a name, or the presentation of a subject, is ipso facto > _an endorsement_ belongs to facile theorists. There is power in the > presentation of a negative. The image of the crucifix is one rather > glaring example. Calling one's band Public Enemy is another.> > Now, I haven't heard Pablo's group, and I don't know Pablo. Judging from > the contents of his recent post, I'd say the name of his group is a > defiance along these very lines. He even comes down hard on the cabeceo > (or a certain way of doing it), linking it to sleaze. If my > understanding of his band's name is off, I'm sure he knows how to say so.> > La!
st spoon-- if you've eaten it this far: An explanation such as mine is
> NOT an endorsement either. Do I like the band name? Eh... a bit obscure, > a bit heavy-handed. But again, I don't know the band. It could very well > be brilliant, but making it so is a tall order. It's certainly > provocative, but the question is what that provocation has to do with > the band's material and its stance within the larger musical context.> > How any of this concerns "acceptable and fun" is beyond me.> > JS> DC> > > Lucia wrote:> >> "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com> escribi?:Their name is> >> > > thought-provoking and adds to the event.> > > > > Trini de Pittsburgh> > > > Trini,> > > > I can think of a few other thought-provoking names: The NSDAP Band (that's the Nazi party name), the Ku Klux Klan Band, then a name that will resonate with our British friends, The N9S or a name that will resonate with the Italians, the Mafia group. Or, why not the Nigger Boys and Girls Slave Running Band?> > > > Shall everything be acceptable and fun? Doesn't th!
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:19:39 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
Sean here. A few finer points re this rampant speculation
posing as a discussion. My first 3 points require no first
hand knowledge of the band, just a little thinking before
typing.
1. As Jay pointed out "Women being kidnapped or otherwise
coerced/manipulated into slavery and prostitution is Still,
Today, a Huge world-wide problem that hardly gets the press
and visibility that it deserves." Or to paraphrase more
succinctly, "This is not a hot issue."
There is little marketing value to be reaped from
capitalizing on non-issues.
2. In ZVI MIGDAL's market, (USA) almost no one had ever
heard of Zvi Migdal before Pulpo picked the name. Once
again, hardly a canny marketing move. If nothing else is
revealed by his posts, it is at least clear that Pablo has
well above the median double digit IQ. It is reasonable to
assume that he would choose a less obscure name if he
wanted to capitalize on notoriety.
3. This thread and the rising awareness of this issue in
this venue are solely due to the band's chosen name.
Whether or not that is their intent, it is certainly a
positive effect of their choice.
The following point would require that one actually have
seen the band perform before judging their work and or
motives:
4. In addition to playing tango music (significantly better
than the standard for live tango in the US), Zvi Migdal's
performance includes a running bilingual commentary between
pieces that is both thought provoking and entertaining.
Having listened to this twice, and then wasted a whole
evening afterwards at a parrilla with the band, (doing
nothing constructive, just sitting around for hours and
hours eating, drinking and talking) I can assure you that
the band does not endorse or glorify or wink wink at white
slavery.
5. My experiences of the differences between US and
Argentine culture are for the most part too limited to draw
broad stereotypical conclusions, but one thing is clear:
Argentinos are far superior to Texans when it comes to
bar-b-que.
Personal notes:
Jake: Get in your car, drive to NYC, and go see this band.
The art critic in you will thank me. The real person might
too.
Jay: More than anyone else on the list, you are able to see
the positive in most things. I did not expect cynicism from
you.
Lucia: You have one of the sharpest wits on the list. Play
to your strength. This victim role doesn't suit you.
Sean
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:05:49 -0700 (MST)
From: Huck Kennedy <huck@eninet.eas.asu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Jake Spatz writes:
> The notion that a name, or the presentation of a subject,
> is ipso facto _an endorsement_ belongs to facile theorists.
> There is power in the presentation of a negative.
Si senor.
> Last spoon-- if you've eaten it this far: An explanation such as mine is
> NOT an endorsement either. Do I like the band name? Eh... a bit obscure,
> a bit heavy-handed. But again, I don't know the band. It could very well
> be brilliant, but making it so is a tall order. It's certainly
> provocative, but the question is what that provocation has to do with
> the band's material and its stance within the larger musical context.
Indeed. To simplify and generalize matters even
further, even if a name isn't an endorsement, one must
still determine whether it is serving an actual creative,
provocatively constructive purpose, or if it is just
a sleazy way of attracting attention and money, like
that despicable "Hitler's Cross" cafe in India that
caused so much controversy last year, and was
eventually shamed into changing its name.
Huck
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:03:57 +0000 (GMT)
From: Lucia <curvasreales@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: Huck Kennedy <huck@eninet.eas.asu.edu>, tango-l@mit.edu
Certainly you don't work for Gucci, nor heard of McLuhan.
Huck Kennedy <huck@eninet.eas.asu.edu> escribi?: Jake Spatz writes:
> The notion that a name, or the presentation of a subject,
> is ipso facto _an endorsement_ belongs to facile theorists.
> There is power in the presentation of a negative.
Si senor.
> Last spoon-- if you've eaten it this far: An explanation such as mine is
> NOT an endorsement either. Do I like the band name? Eh... a bit obscure,
> a bit heavy-handed. But again, I don't know the band. It could very well
> be brilliant, but making it so is a tall order. It's certainly
> provocative, but the question is what that provocation has to do with
> the band's material and its stance within the larger musical context.
Indeed. To simplify and generalize matters even
further, even if a name isn't an endorsement, one must
still determine whether it is serving an actual creative,
provocatively constructive purpose, or if it is just
a sleazy way of attracting attention and money, like
that despicable "Hitler's Cross" cafe in India that
caused so much controversy last year, and was
eventually shamed into changing its name.
Huck
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:32:23 +0000 (GMT)
From: Andrew RYSER SZYMA?SKI <arrabaltango@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: Lucia <curvasreales@yahoo.com.ar>, Jake Spatz <spatz@tangodc.com>,
tango-l@mit.edu
It is curious that nobody else picked up the Jewish
Mafia element, and it is not mentionned in the group's
website. We get a lot of crocodile tears about the
slave trade, but we need to remember that it was
criminal organisations like this, disbanded and taken
to court in 1930, that gave ample fuel to the rising
anti-semitism in the thirties. Indeed, the girl who
squealed on them at the time would not have been able
to do so successfully without influential layers of
society [not just in Argentina] moving to the right.
One of the consequences was that prostitution was made
illegal in Argentina a few years later.
This is what makes the choice of this name more than
ambiguous. Its connotations are not as clear as, say,
"Dead Kennedys".
Incidentally, the band didn't obvously do their
homework on another point: it's "Zwi Migdal", there
being no "v" in Polish.
More info:-
https://www.theawarenesscenter.org/ZwiMigdal.html
https://www.vcn.bc.ca/outlook/library/articles/women/06m_bodies.htm
https://www.cofc.edu/~jwst/pages/Vincent,%20Isabel%20-%20Researching%20Bodies%20and%20Souls%20+.pdf
https://www.diariolacapital.com/2001/12/09/articulo_84.html
https://serjudio.com/rap3251a3300/rap3254.htm
Cheers,
Andy.
--- Lucia <curvasreales@yahoo.com.ar> wrote:
> Jake Spatz:
>
> Don't be naive. The Zvi Migdal was notoriously a
> Jewish organization. Is this the aggressive
> "forget-me-not" intent of the group? Yes, I would
> like to be spoonfed...
>
> Lucia
>
Andrew W. RYSER SZYMA?SKI,
23b All Saints Road,
London, W11 1HE,
07944 128 739.
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:37:06 -0500
From: "Caroline Polack" <runcarolinerun@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: tango-l@mit.edu
As per Hector Pablo Pereyra's post to Lucia, he said he picked this name in
order to bring about awareness and discussion.
Whether you all agree or not with his choice of band name, he certainly got
your attention and he certainly got you talking about it.
He achieved his purpose. Just wondering if anybody noticed that.
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:48:02 -0700 (MST)
From: Huck Kennedy <huck@eninet.eas.asu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Lucia <curvasreales@yahoo.com.ar> writes:
>
> Certainly you don't work for Gucci,
What gave me away? My frayed Levi 501's?
> nor heard of McLuhan.
That seems a bit of a kneejerk reaction, especially
since I haven't ventured any opinion on the particular
name you're arguing about whatsoever.
At any rate, for the amusement of any Annie Hall fans
out there:
LUCIA: It's the influence of television. Now, now Marshall
McLuhan deals with it in terms of it being a, a high--high
intensity, you understand? A hot medium--
WOODY ALLEN: What I wouldn't give for a large sock with
horse manure in it.
LUCIA: --as opposed to the truth which he [sees as the]
media or--
WOODY ALLEN: What can you do when you get stuck on a movie
line with a gal like this behind you?
LUCIA: Now, Marshall McLuhan--
WOODY ALLEN: You don't know anything about Marshall
McLuhan's work--
LUCIA: Really? Really? I happen to teach a class at Columbia
called TV, Media and Culture, so I think that my insights
into Mr. McLuhan, well, have a great deal of validity.
WOODY ALLEN: Oh, do you?
LUCIA: Yeah.
WOODY ALLEN: Oh, that's funny, because I happen to have
Mr. McLuhan right here. Come over here for a second?
LUCIA: Oh--
WOODY ALLEN: Tell him.
MARSHALL McLUHAN: --I heard, I heard what you were
saying. You, you know nothing of my work. How you ever
got to teach a course in anything is totally amazing.
WOODY ALLEN: Boy, if life were only like this.
Huck
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:48:28 -0700
From: Tom Stermitz <stermitz@tango.org>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu>
There is a 1991 movie called "Naked Tango" (Tango Desnudo) that uses
the "white slave trade" as a plot element.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100222/
It is a bit rough & violent, but but gripping and pretty well-done.
The movie explores issues of power/control and desire/passion within
and without the tango, set in the Buenos Aires of 1920s. It is richer
in its own way than many other tango movies, say Assassination Tango.
Here is the plot summary at imdb:
> Returning by ship to South America, a young girl escapes her
> elderly husband by swapping places with a girl committing suicide.
> She believes her new life will be that of an arranged marriage but
> finds it is in fact a trick to get her working in a brothel.
On Jan 29, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Andrew RYSER SZYMA?SKI wrote:
> It is curious that nobody else picked up the Jewish
> Mafia element, and it is not mentionned in the group's
> website. We get a lot of crocodile tears about the
> slave trade, but we need to remember that it was
> criminal organisations like this, disbanded and taken
> to court in 1930, that gave ample fuel to the rising
> anti-semitism in the thirties. Indeed, the girl who
> squealed on them at the time would not have been able
> to do so successfully without influential layers of
> society [not just in Argentina] moving to the right.
> One of the consequences was that prostitution was made
> illegal in Argentina a few years later.
> This is what makes the choice of this name more than
> ambiguous. Its connotations are not as clear as, say,
> "Dead Kennedys".
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:02:54 -0500
From: Jeff Gaynor <jjg@jqhome.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu>
Caroline Polack wrote:
>As per Hector Pablo Pereyra's post to Lucia, he said he picked this name in
>order to bring about awareness and discussion.
>
>Whether you all agree or not with his choice of band name, he certainly got
>your attention and he certainly got you talking about it.
>
>He achieved his purpose. Just wondering if anybody noticed that.
>
>
No he didn't. He got us talking about appropriate band names.
So what is more disturbing, that a band might just have a gimmick for
free publicity or that someone actually thinks giving a band a shocking
name will result in any meaningful discussion or insights on anything?
Having been in and out of the media for years I would not ever want to
trust the entertainment industry with a nuanced investigation of a
serious topic. If Hector's band is wildly successful then in a few years
everyone will assume that Zvi Migdal is just a Yiddish tango band --
completely eclipsing its supposed namesake.
I think the far better question is how serious issues are presented in a
profit-driven media. But that's just me...
Cheers,
Jeff
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 15:40:29 -0500
From: Hector Pablo Pereyra <pablo@thezvimigdal.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The ZVI MIGDAL group
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Dear list,
It pleases me to be able to generate such an interesting debate in the list!
Lucia: I am sorry if you didn't find answers in my previous letter. I
believe I expressed my point and my believes on it. If you didn't
understand it, I don't think I can add anymore to make it more clear. In
any case Jake expressed my point of view more eloquently (Thanks Jake,
there is wine for you at the Caffee should you ever come and listen to us).
In regards of considering entering politics, I am strongly involved in
politics and don't take that as an insult. On the contrary, I believe
that every individual is a political one. It is our right and also our
obligation.
Also, in a debate you listen to what the other person is telling you and
consider what that person is saying. I believe you don't want to debate,
you have already a formed idea, even though you have never been to our
shows or don't know anything about my band or myself. You are very
welcome to come (the wine is on me) or have a coffee with me or a phone
conversation (don't know where do you live) and I will be very happy to
clarify all your doubts.
Jay: Trini an Sean gave you what would be my answer. I have a ton of
better names if I wanted to cash on easy notoriety. And it strikes me
how you are ready to make assumptions and publish them without giving me
the benefit of the doubt or without any further knowledge of our
activities. Don't forget that this thread itself is creating awareness
of this issues and bringing it to light to be debated as Caroline Polack
just stated (thanks Caroline, free wine for you too!). I understand that
you live in Portland, so whenever you come to NY get in touch, get to
know us, drink some wine with us (on me) and then with all the elements
in your hands you can trash and bash us as much as you want if you still
feel like doing so.
Andrew: thanks for your posting, it has a lot of interesting links, some
of them I haven't seen. I can contribute some to the list myself. I Did
a lot of research in the subject before choosing the name. Of course,
since I am not Jewish I did ask some of my friends to make sure they
could grasp my point and be certain that it was not going to be taken as
an anti-Semitic statement. Everybody in NY seems to understand it except
for a guy who will boycott us if we don't change our name (Lucia, you
should contact him and come to the door of the coffee where we play to
demonstrate) and of course the infallible Argentine Consulate of
Argentina that won't let us play there unless we change our name; in
other words if I change the name but remain a "Nazi" I can play there
(maybe that is why some Nazis where allowed into Argentina: THEY CHANGED
THEIR NAMES!!!).
About the name: I asked about the differences in spelling between Zvi or
Zwi and was advised to go with Zvi. I myself would have gone with sui
migdal which is the incorrect way the name was generally spelled by
Argentineans but thought that resorting to slang wouldn't be understood.
Now if the correct way is definitely Zwi I will amend that mistake!
I understand you live in London but of course you are also invited to
our shows and wine.
Sean and Trini: I don't think we can have you to testify in court on our
behalf. You are biased!! You have shared asado with us!! We'll have
another one this year, hopefully.
Finally, we take tango very VERY seriously. And work with commitment and
responsibility to take it to another level and another audiences. We
have taken it to several interesting venues in the States (we even
played at Carnegie Hall with Adam). In every presentation, through our
choices in terms of repertoire and my explanations of the tangos we try
to create awareness on the cultural and socio political aspects that are
behind it. We are also available to play benefits (if we consider the
cause to be a good one) and have done so many, many times, including
churches and synagogues! I don't believe tango should be "the vertical
expression of a horizontal desire" I believe there is much more to it.
Sorry for the long posting.
Thanks
Hector Pablo Pereyra
