4624 Alternative in Buenos Aires
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:04:53 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Alternative in Buenos Aires
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
Cc: jackie.wong@adelphia.net
"I would say that alternative tango has not arrived in Buenos Aires ...."
-- Jackie
Jackie,
Can you explain more about it?
Igor
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:25:08 -0400
From: jackie ling wong <jackie.wong@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Alternative in Buenos Aires
To: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
hi igor,
well,
i think everyone there is familiar with electronic tango...
gotan..narcotango...nuevo tango.... debayres...oh and tango negro.
but in the US and in Europe, perhaps, (those from europe - let me
know if i'm incorrect) alternative folks play world music, popular
music, classical, rock etc and i haven't seen that happen in BA. if
i'm wrong, please let me know. to my friend, jorge, who is a DJ in
buenos aires, the Libertango version by Bond is radical.. ultra
radical and he plays it sometimes late at night. he considers
himself a new tango DJ. he wouldn't be so radical here. wait, i did
hear maybe a set of alternative that we would play here... the
"turkish" tango and something else which i can't remember. it was DJ
mario orlando at la marshall. and then there's Pulpo y Luiza. they
play great music during their classes. we trade music all the time.
hope that clarifies my statement.
jackie
www.tangopulse.net
On Oct 7, 2006, at 5:04 PM, Igor Polk wrote:
"I would say that alternative tango has not arrived in Buenos
Aires ...."
-- Jackie
Jackie,
Can you explain more about it?
Igor
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:41:15 -0600
From: "Brian Dunn" <brian@danceoftheheart.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Alternative in Buenos Aires
To: "'Igor Polk'" <ipolk@virtuar.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
Cc: jackie.wong@adelphia.net
"I would say that alternative tango has not arrived in Buenos Aires ...."
-- Jackie
Can you explain more about it?
-- Igor
Hi Jackie, Igor, et al,
Changes like this often occur gradually and unevenly.
At Villa Malcolm in Buenos Aires (Cordoba 5064), there are practicas on
Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday evenings, and milongas with live
music once a month on Saturday evenings.
At the Monday and Thursday practicas run by El Motivo Tango (the only ones I
have managed to attend in their entirety), the music from 8pm - 11:15pm or
so was entirely classical tango (Di Sarli, D'Arienzo, Biagi, Pugliese,
etc.). From 11:15pm until midnight, the music shifted toward what many
would consider alternative. Carlos Libedinsky is often in attendance, as is
Chicho. Crowds on Mondays are always a minimum of 100-150, with 300 in
attendance at their recent 2nd anniversary. The attendees are predominantly
younger local dancers, with a sprinkling of older dancers, and some gringos
of varying age. Level of dancing skill and floorcraft among the regulars is
very high, even with the characteristic energized style of dance.
My understanding is that the music on the Wednesday and Friday practicas run
by Tangocool follows a format that also provides for alternative music at
each event, but at those events I'm unfamiliar with the balance between
classical and alternative.
All the best,
Brian Dunn
Dance of the Heart
Boulder, Colorado USA
www.danceoftheheart.com
"Building a Better World, One Tango at a Time"
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:01:25 -0600
From: "Brian Dunn" <brian@danceoftheheart.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Alternative in Buenos Aires
To: "'jackie ling wong'" <jackie.wong@adelphia.net>, "'Igor Polk'"
<ipolk@virtuar.com>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
Jackie, you wrote:
"...alternative folks play world music, popular
music, classical, rock etc and i haven't seen that happen in BA. if
i'm wrong, please let me know."
At Villa Malcolm, I got to DJ at one of the practicas during one of our
Intensivos, and there was enthusiastic reception of some world-ish music and
popular stuff we often use in Colorado - Loreena McKennitt's
Moorish-sounding "Mummer's Dance" and the very Arabic-influenced "Marco
Polo" were very much appreciated, as was Eva Cassidy's bluesy "Wade in the
Water" (thanks to Daniel Trenner for that one!). We'll see in a couple
weeks if they've received much rotation since...
All the best,
Brian Dunn
Dance of the Heart
Boulder, Colorado USA
www.danceoftheheart.com
"Building a Better World, One Tango at a Time"
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:34:46 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Alternative in Buenos Aires
To: "jackie ling wong" <jackie.wong@adelphia.net>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
Jackie,
You said: " i haven't seen that happen in BA. if i'm wrong, please let me
know"
I haven't been to BA, you've been !!!
How you can be wrong if you saw it yourself !
You, a person who likes and even yourself DJs alternative music, have not
seen it in BA. It says a lot. I am sure you've been in a lot of places !
By the way, I myself adore dancing with alternative music. But I think it is
not tango.
Igor.
Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:40:37 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Alternative in Buenos Aires
To: <brian@danceoftheheart.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
Cc: jackie.wong@adelphia.net
Brian,
So you mentioned about how many? 3-4 alternative milongas? About the same
like in San Francisco.
Out of 140 weekly?
Aha.
And ... how to say it.... thank you, but I am not interested in Chicho,
Libedinsky, Pulpo and the likes...
Who are they !?
Igor Polk.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Dunn [mailto:brian@danceoftheheart.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:41 PM
To: 'Igor Polk'; tango-l@mit.edu
Cc: jackie.wong@adelphia.net
Subject: RE: [Tango-L] Alternative in Buenos Aires
"I would say that alternative tango has not arrived in Buenos Aires ...."
-- Jackie
Can you explain more about it?
-- Igor
Hi Jackie, Igor, et al,
Changes like this often occur gradually and unevenly.
At Villa Malcolm in Buenos Aires (Cordoba 5064), there are practicas on
Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday evenings, and milongas with live
music once a month on Saturday evenings.
At the Monday and Thursday practicas run by El Motivo Tango (the only ones I
have managed to attend in their entirety), the music from 8pm - 11:15pm or
so was entirely classical tango (Di Sarli, D'Arienzo, Biagi, Pugliese,
etc.). From 11:15pm until midnight, the music shifted toward what many
would consider alternative. Carlos Libedinsky is often in attendance, as is
Chicho. Crowds on Mondays are always a minimum of 100-150, with 300 in
attendance at their recent 2nd anniversary. The attendees are predominantly
younger local dancers, with a sprinkling of older dancers, and some gringos
of varying age. Level of dancing skill and floorcraft among the regulars is
very high, even with the characteristic energized style of dance.
My understanding is that the music on the Wednesday and Friday practicas run
by Tangocool follows a format that also provides for alternative music at
each event, but at those events I'm unfamiliar with the balance between
classical and alternative.
All the best,
Brian Dunn
Dance of the Heart
Boulder, Colorado USA
www.danceoftheheart.com
"Building a Better World, One Tango at a Time"
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:27:56 -0300
From: "andres amarilla" <andresamarilla@gmail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Fwd: Alternative in Buenos Aires
To: tango-l@mit.edu
<4247e78f0610080127p162a9d13pd4a23ce76c362ba5@mail.gmail.com>
Forgetting for a moment the fact that I don't like dancing tango to
alternative music (unless it's the Beatles), I have to say that Villa
Malcolm on Fridays is THE place for nuevo and alternative music. The
organizer and DJ, Gaby Glagovsky, plays artists like Tom Waits, Al
Green, Commodores, Aretha Franklin, Nina Simone, Sarah Vaughan, Eva
Cassidy, Bjork, Goran Bregovic, Llasa, Cristina Branco, Korey
Ireland's Milonga, Apocalyptica, and other alternative music. I can't
necessarily say that people like it, but it is happening. But then,
Gaby's taste in music includes a loathing of Pugliese and a passion
for the Forever Tango soundtrack, so he doesn't exactly have
mainstream tango tastes.
Back in 2002, when I ran a practica in La Galeria del Tango with Carla
Marano and Pablo something (I can't remember his last name), Pablo
would come every week with huge crates full of CDs of every kind of
music?funk, blues, rock, zouk, Argentine pop/rock, etc.?and he'd play
everything. All I can say is that we worked up a sweat trying to
dance to that music.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Oct 7, 2006 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Alternative in Buenos Aires
To: brian@danceoftheheart.com, tango-l@mit.edu
Cc: jackie.wong@adelphia.net
Brian,
So you mentioned about how many? 3-4 alternative milongas? About the same
like in San Francisco.
Out of 140 weekly?
Aha.
And ... how to say it.... thank you, but I am not interested in Chicho,
Libedinsky, Pulpo and the likes...
Who are they !?
Igor Polk.
-----Original Message-----
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Dunn [mailto:brian@danceoftheheart.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:41 PM
To: 'Igor Polk'; tango-l@mit.edu
Cc: jackie.wong@adelphia.net
Subject: RE: [Tango-L] Alternative in Buenos Aires
"I would say that alternative tango has not arrived in Buenos Aires ...."
-- Jackie
Can you explain more about it?
-- Igor
Hi Jackie, Igor, et al,
Changes like this often occur gradually and unevenly.
At Villa Malcolm in Buenos Aires (Cordoba 5064), there are practicas on
Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday evenings, and milongas with live
music once a month on Saturday evenings.
At the Monday and Thursday practicas run by El Motivo Tango (the only ones I
have managed to attend in their entirety), the music from 8pm - 11:15pm or
so was entirely classical tango (Di Sarli, D'Arienzo, Biagi, Pugliese,
etc.). From 11:15pm until midnight, the music shifted toward what many
would consider alternative. Carlos Libedinsky is often in attendance, as is
Chicho. Crowds on Mondays are always a minimum of 100-150, with 300 in
attendance at their recent 2nd anniversary. The attendees are predominantly
younger local dancers, with a sprinkling of older dancers, and some gringos
of varying age. Level of dancing skill and floorcraft among the regulars is
very high, even with the characteristic energized style of dance.
My understanding is that the music on the Wednesday and Friday practicas run
by Tangocool follows a format that also provides for alternative music at
each event, but at those events I'm unfamiliar with the balance between
classical and alternative.
All the best,
Brian Dunn
Dance of the Heart
Boulder, Colorado USA
www.danceoftheheart.com
"Building a Better World, One Tango at a Time"
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 02:39:19 -0600
From: "Brian Dunn" <brian@danceoftheheart.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Alternative in Buenos Aires
To: "'Igor Polk'" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
Igor, you wrote:
>>>
So you mentioned about how many? 3-4 alternative milongas? About the same
like in San Francisco.
Out of 140 weekly?
Aha.
<<<
No, actually I said, "At the Monday and Thursday practicas run by El Motivo
Tango...the music from 8pm - 11:15pm or so was entirely classical tango (Di
Sarli, D'Arienzo, Biagi, Pugliese, etc.). From 11:15pm until midnight, the
music shifted toward what many would consider alternative."
A milonga with 3 hrs 15 min of classical tango and 45 min of "what many
would consider alternative" (maybe not Jackie, though ;) ) is...an
"alternative milonga"?? Under the circumstances I'm not sure if that's a
useful designation. That's more than 80% classical tango music at an
"alternative milonga". What are the ratios at typical "alternative
milongas" in San Francisco?
All the best,
Brian Dunn
Dance of the Heart
Boulder, Colorado USA
www.danceoftheheart.com
"Building a Better World, One Tango at a Time"
