1528 The Best way to prevent viruses ...
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 04:18:13 -0700
From: Gary Fay <gtf_ctim@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: The Best way to prevent viruses ...
Tango Dancers.
The best defense for viruses I have found it to use
internet mail. I like Yahoo because they have a virus
scanner installed. It isn't automatic but the
attachments are isolated and the web interface
converts everything to text. You can manually scan any
attachment with a scanner that is sure to have up to
date antivirus software/definitions. It is the least
likely way to get infected.
Some other options, get off Outlook/Outlook Express
and use a text only email reader. In order to make the
advertisers happy O/OE has lots of programming
capability, ie the email runs programs people mail to
it. It can be disabled but it is so integrated into IE
it can be a real pain.
Other options include a machine for internet use and
one for your important things, dual boot partitions
and / or the use of Linux/Mac and other odd operating
systems.
On the other had Yahoo is much easier ...
Gary
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:48:11 -0700
From: Barbara Garvey <barbara@TANGOBAR-PRODUCTIONS.COM>
Subject: Re: The Best way to prevent viruses ...
I'm on Outlook Express in plain text format, and do get viruses (bugbear and
sobig) but not much spam -- some Viagra (I guess they know my age but not my
gender) and offers to refinance (we recently refinanced). So I don't know
if Keith's spam comes from the Tango-L. Al uses Netscape Messenger and
doesn't get viruses but gets hundreds of spams a day. I use a virus scanner
but wonder what else I should be doing -- any advice? Or should we stop
talking about this on the List?
Health and good nutrition to all (without viruses or Spam)
Barbara
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:03:35 -0700
From: Ricardo Tanturi <tanturi999@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: The Best way to prevent viruses ...
Hi,
Looks like the infection we have on the list is called
W32.Bugbear.B@mm. Apparently it is a worm that
spreads
to other addresses in the INBOX of the infected
computer,
which seems to mean that it has infected more than one
user and we will keep getting infected emails until
everyone has cleaned it out.
You can read about it at
https://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.bugbear.b@mm.html
Symantec has tools to see if your computer is infected
and for cleaning it off your computer if you are.
You can go to the site wwww.symantec.com and search
for the virus by name if you don't trust the URL I
provided (which you probably shouldn't).
As Gary mentioned, it's a good idea to use Yahoo for
tango-l mail - it has a virus scanner, and if you
somehow get on a spammer's list you can just kill the
account and get another one.
"Ricardo"
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:12:28 -0700
From: Ricardo Tanturi <tanturi999@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: The Best way to prevent viruses ...
Hi Barbara et. al.,
I don't think tango-l is getting spammed. I created
this "Ricardo Tanturi" account just for tango-l and
never used it for anything else. I've had it for
years and I've never gotten a single piece of spam.
"Ricardo"
--- Barbara Garvey <barbara@TANGOBAR-PRODUCTIONS.COM>
wrote:
> I'm on Outlook Express in plain text format, and do
> get viruses (bugbear and
> sobig) but not much spam -- some Viagra (I guess
> they know my age but not my
> gender) and offers to refinance (we recently
> refinanced). So I don't know
> if Keith's spam comes from the Tango-L.
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:31:41 -0700
From: JC Dill <tango@VO.CNCHOST.COM>
Subject: Re: The Best way to prevent viruses ...
At 10:12 AM 7/14/2003, Ricardo Tanturi wrote:
>Hi Barbara et. al.,
>
>I don't think tango-l is getting spammed. I created
>this "Ricardo Tanturi" account just for tango-l and
>never used it for anything else. I've had it for
>years and I've never gotten a single piece of spam.
Lucky you.
I created the tango@vo.cnchost.com address solely for posting to this list,
and I have never used it anywhere else. However, others on this list have
not been so considerate about my email address and it has been posted to
their webpages (including unauthorized and publicly available archives of
this list). My email address (and my posts) are also available on numerous
webpages that others have made from posts to this list. No one has ever
asked my permission to use my posts in this way, or to make my email
address publicly available on the web. I'm flattered they thought my words
were valuable enough to want to post them, but very irritated that they
didn't have the good manners to ask if it was OK first, or to take steps to
protect my address from being harvested and used to send me spam.
Today this address is inundated with spam. I have received 109 spam
messages to this one email address in the past 3 days.
START RANT:
The generic spammers are bad enough, but I really get mad at the jerks who
have scraped my address *off this list* and who think that because I am
interested in AT that I want to receive their emails about milongas in
their area and who have added me to their local area distribution
lists. They claim that if I don't want to receive their list I should
unsubscribe. That's called "opt-out" and that is what spammers do. No, I
will not unsubscribe from a list I never subscribed to! I am collecting
these emails and will be complaining to their ISP that they have repeatedly
sent me emails that I never asked for, Bulk Unsolicited Email, aka UBE, aka
spam.
Do NOT add someone to your distribution list without their permission! If
you do that, you ARE A SPAMMER.
END RANT
There, I feel better now. I think I'll go tango!
jc
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:03:47 -0400
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: The Best way to prevent viruses ...
>I created the tango@vo.cnchost.com address solely for posting to this list,
>and I have never used it anywhere else.
It does not matter for what purpose an email address is created. The moment
it is used for posting to a forum such as this one, it becomes public.....
>No one has ever asked my permission to use my posts in this way, or to make
>my email
>address publicly available on the web.
I can promise you that I'll never post your words or address anywhere unless
its part of a history of quoted messages, I don't have the time or
inclination to edit such things, if you don't want to get quoted don't post
to these forums. The spammers harvest email addresses by looking everywhere
in the internet. They'll find your address from looking into the tango-l or
the archives or doing a search about tango.
The fact is that anybody who's ever received email or posts from a forum and
then gets infected, will effectively make every name in their address list
available to the virus to sent itself and even to spoof and replicate bogus
email addresses. The people who get infected by viruses are not spammers,
neither are the folks who post or forward messages. There is very little one
can do to prevent spam or to prevent viruses from infecting somebodys
machine somewhere. I too get 50 or more messages infected with the bugbear
virus each day, some bear my own email address (spoofed, of course) I also
get tons of spam. What I do not do is blame the people in the tango-l for
this garbage.
Spamfree email to all,
Manuel
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:06:47 -0700
From: "Lucy E. Lynch" <llynch@DARKWING.UOREGON.EDU>
Subject: Re: The Best way to prevent viruses ...
JC -
I maintain the tango-l and tango-a web archives, I took them over
a couple of years ago from a site in Canada with the permission of
the then list moderators.
I can add a password to the archives, if that is the will of the group,
but just FYI, postings to a mailing list are generally considered to be
in the public domain if the subscription policy allows users to add
themselves to the list (as the tango l & a lists do).
I have deleted a few single messages at users request (based on inaccurate
information about addresses/services/etc.) but I don't filter all posts
from any given single user.
The archive is meant to be a service to the list.
Lucy E. Lynch Academic User Services
Computing Center University of Oregon
llynch @darkwing.uoregon.edu (541) 346-1774/Cell: 912-7998
La theorie c'est bon, mais ca n'empeche pas d'exister -Jean Martin Charcot
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, JC Dill wrote:
> At 10:12 AM 7/14/2003, Ricardo Tanturi wrote:
> >Hi Barbara et. al.,
> >
> >I don't think tango-l is getting spammed. I created
> >this "Ricardo Tanturi" account just for tango-l and
> >never used it for anything else. I've had it for
> >years and I've never gotten a single piece of spam.
>
> Lucky you.
>
> I created the tango@vo.cnchost.com address solely for posting to this list,
> and I have never used it anywhere else. However, others on this list have
> not been so considerate about my email address and it has been posted to
> their webpages (including unauthorized and publicly available archives of
> this list). My email address (and my posts) are also available on numerous
> webpages that others have made from posts to this list. No one has ever
> asked my permission to use my posts in this way, or to make my email
> address publicly available on the web. I'm flattered they thought my words
> were valuable enough to want to post them, but very irritated that they
> didn't have the good manners to ask if it was OK first, or to take steps to
> protect my address from being harvested and used to send me spam.
>
> Today this address is inundated with spam. I have received 109 spam
> messages to this one email address in the past 3 days.
>
> START RANT:
>
> The generic spammers are bad enough, but I really get mad at the jerks who
> have scraped my address *off this list* and who think that because I am
> interested in AT that I want to receive their emails about milongas in
> their area and who have added me to their local area distribution
> lists. They claim that if I don't want to receive their list I should
> unsubscribe. That's called "opt-out" and that is what spammers do. No, I
> will not unsubscribe from a list I never subscribed to! I am collecting
> these emails and will be complaining to their ISP that they have repeatedly
> sent me emails that I never asked for, Bulk Unsolicited Email, aka UBE, aka
> spam.
>
> Do NOT add someone to your distribution list without their permission! If
> you do that, you ARE A SPAMMER.
>
> END RANT
>
> There, I feel better now. I think I'll go tango!
>
> jc
>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:10:45 EDT
From: "Lydia H." <TangoLady@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: The Best way to prevent viruses ...Spam
Hi Barbara & List:
I am on AOL and recently I had been getting a lot of spam daily, a lot of
Viagra Ads, Breast enhancement, Penis enlargement (even though I don't have one),
home refinance, (have not refinanced my home), credit cards galore, money
offered, jobs, pharmacy free, prescriptions on the Internet by mail, etc, etc.
etc. Thank God for AOL .08, because I have been able to reduce the amount of
spam tremendously by simply clicking on the box "Report Spam" that is offered
when you get your e-mails on the screen. Before I even open those messages, I
highlight the particular spam message and I click on that box and that has
helped a lot. I have been doing this for several months now and my messages from
Spam have dwindled down to three or four a day, compared to 60 or more daily
before. These spam e-mails also go to my TangoFantasy@aol.com account. Both
accounts are members of the Tango-L. One account is member of both A and L.
I am sticking with my AOL, I have never had a different Internet provider so
cannot speak for others. I am very happy with what I have. They take care of
me. No financial interest with AOL by the way.
May all your Spam mail be reduced somehow,
Lydia
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:36:05 +0900
From: astrid <astrid@RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP>
Subject: Re: The Best way to prevent viruses ...Spam
> I am sticking with my AOL, I have never had a different Internet provider
so
> cannot speak for others. I am very happy with what I have. They take
care of
> me. No financial interest with AOL by the way.
>
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:45:46 +0900
From: astrid <astrid@RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP>
Subject: Re: The Best way to prevent viruses ...Spam
Thank God for AOL .08, because I have been able to reduce the amount of
> spam tremendously by simply clicking on the box "Report Spam" that is
offered
> when you get your e-mails on the screen.
Sounds a lot better than hotmail. As soon as I made the mistake to subscribe
to any of their hotmail "web courier" services, I got flooded with spam.
They must have passed on my address instantly. I reported some of the spam
to "microsoft abuse" and got a lame excuse about not being able to find the
spammers' real address etc. That happened every time I complained,
completely useless, that service. Then they offered the junk mail box
option. But now they tell me every three days that I am almost out of space
with my account, because the junk mail box fills up so quickly. By the way,
I checked the tangotokyo yahoo group messages,and found that "tango partners
in Buenos Aires" are also sending their newsletter there too. In which they
announce that they "have 10 000 subscribers now and thank all of you for
your interest". Thanking 10.000 people whose addresses have been harvested
from the internet and who are being involuntarily subjected to spamming,
tango-related or otherwise, is simply ludicrous !
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:50:30 -0700
From: Rick FromPortland <pruneshrub04@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: The Best way to prevent viruses ...Spam
I switched from hotmail to yahoo for Tango-L & have been quite pleased with Yahoo. For me, Yahoo seems way easier to use, is well designed & good about taking care of Spam. I get on the net via a 40-something-K dialup via netzero for $10 a month & that works pretty well too. I had AOL for a while & dumped it when netzero came along. Netzero is good about reducing/eliminating Spam too; very responsive...
R
