3359 Converting Tango Music to MP3
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:04:23 -0400
From: jc maier <jcmaier@USADATANET.NET>
Subject: Converting Tango Music to MP3
I have lots of tango music on my Hard Drive in the normal format.
Is there some way these files can be converted to MP3's
(and maybe explained in non-computer geek language!)?
And can it be done without deleting the original files?
(I eventually want to transfer some of them to CD's.)
Julio
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:52:22 -0500
From: "Christopher L. Everett" <ceverett@CEVERETT.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
jc maier wrote:
>I have lots of tango music on my Hard Drive in the normal format.
>Is there some way these files can be converted to MP3's
>(and maybe explained in non-computer geek language!)?
>And can it be done without deleting the original files?
>
>(I eventually want to transfer some of them to CD's.)
>
>
Julio,
This is unfortunately a fairly complex topic. However, this site:
https://www.mp3-converter.com/
covers the subject of creating MP3s from WAV files quite well. Personally,
on windows I use dbPowerAmp, the LAME encoder, and the 256 bit VBR
setting, the site above will tell you everything you need to know.
You really should purchase a quality CD burner as well if you don't have
one, they start at $25 in the US.
--
Christopher L. Everett
Chief Technology Officer www.medbanner.com
MedBanner, Inc. www.physemp.com
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:03:21 -0700
From: Jean-Pierre Sighe <jpsighe@SIGHES.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
Please, just remember that the musicians who put their sweat to record these
wonderful pieces that you enjoy so much, need to make some money from their
work. PLEASE DON'T just make too many illegal copies, simply because the
technology (at the moment) allows that convenience.
I beg you to put yourself in the shoes of the people who worked very hard to
produce the music...musicians, but also producers and other folks people are
not even aware of. They all hope to sell some records and make their living
that way. Please be gracious...
On behalf of all the musicians of this world, I thank you in advance for
your co-operation.
Jean-Pierre S.
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Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:04 AM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] Converting Tango Music to MP3
I have lots of tango music on my Hard Drive in the normal format.
Is there some way these files can be converted to MP3's
(and maybe explained in non-computer geek language!)?
And can it be done without deleting the original files?
(I eventually want to transfer some of them to CD's.)
Julio
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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 03:24:10 -0500
From: "Christopher L. Everett" <ceverett@CEVERETT.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
Jean-Pierre Sighe wrote:
>Please, just remember that the musicians who put their sweat to record these
>wonderful pieces that you enjoy so much, need to make some money from their
>work. PLEASE DON'T just make too many illegal copies, simply because the
>technology (at the moment) allows that convenience.
>
>I beg you to put yourself in the shoes of the people who worked very hard to
>produce the music...musicians, but also producers and other folks people are
>not even aware of. They all hope to sell some records and make their living
>that way. Please be gracious...
>
>On behalf of all the musicians of this world, I thank you in advance for
>your co-operation.
>
The issues of copyrights and copying music contain quite a bit more
moral complexity than the above viewpoint contains ...
First of all, Jean-Pierre seems to assume that Julio intends to make
illegal copies. There plenty of legitimate reasons to copy music.
In fact, as long as all resulting copies that remain under one's own
control are legal. Fair use also includes taking extracting snippets
of music for use in lectures and presentations.
After all, once I pay for a recording, I have the right to enjoy that
recording anytime, anyplace, any way I choose, in perpetuity. Anyone
saying otherwise can go sit on a flagpole.
Another assumption Jean-Pierre perpetuates is that recording artists and
other creative contributors make less money when somebody shares a copy
of their music. That statement is definitively false to facts, as any
music industry veteran can tell you:
https://dir.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html
Meanwhile, the recording industry can't even prove that illegal copies
cost recording companies themselves any profits.
At the rate things are going, someone will slap a copyright on traspie
and syncopation, and want royalties on every new tango song written from
now until the end of time.
--
Christopher L. Everett
Chief Technology Officer www.medbanner.com
MedBanner, Inc. www.physemp.com
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:10:01 -0700
From: Jean-Pierre Sighe <jpsighe@SIGHES.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:24 AM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Converting Tango Music to MP3
Jean-Pierre Sighe wrote:
>Please, just remember that the musicians who put their sweat to record
these
>wonderful pieces that you enjoy so much, need to make some money from their
>work. PLEASE DON'T just make too many illegal copies, simply because the
>technology (at the moment) allows that convenience.
>
>I beg you to put yourself in the shoes of the people who worked very hard
to
>produce the music...musicians, but also producers and other folks people
are
>not even aware of. They all hope to sell some records and make their living
>that way. Please be gracious...
>
>On behalf of all the musicians of this world, I thank you in advance for
>your co-operation.
<The issues of copyrights and copying music contain quite a bit more
<moral complexity than the above viewpoint contains ...
The above viewpoint, as you put it, Sir, did not intend to analyze ALL the
"moral complexities" that you seem to know, as the good "music industry
veteran" you seem to tell us you are!!!
<First of all, Jean-Pierre seems to assume that Julio intends to make
illegal copies. There plenty of legitimate reasons to copy music.
In fact, as long as all resulting copies that remain under one's own
control are legal. Fair use also includes taking extracting snippets
of music for use in lectures and presentations.
After all, once I pay for a recording, I have the right to enjoy that
recording anytime, anyplace, any way I choose, in perpetuity. Anyone
<saying otherwise can go sit on a flagpole.
Beware of your assumption now great chief!
<Another assumption Jean-Pierre perpetuates is that recording artists and
other creative contributors make less money when somebody shares a copy
of their music. That statement is definitively false to facts, as any
<music industry veteran can tell you:
You must be one of these people who just love to set up a straw man they
will then go to fight with. What a "music industry veteran" you are !!!
https://dir.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html
<Meanwhile, the recording industry can't even prove that illegal copies
<cost recording companies themselves any profits.
I really thought common sense was a common thing...I guess...
<At the rate things are going, someone will slap a copyright on traspie
and syncopation, and want royalties on every new tango song written from
<now until the end of time.
What a lousy and debasing view of the copyright Law! After all, may be you
are not the "music industry veteran" I had begun to think you could be. The
imposture is all of a sudden revealed...Thank God for that!!!
Jean-Pierre
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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:04:47 -0700
From: Sean Dockery <sean13@MYREALBOX.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
Jean-Pierre,
While Christopher may not have given complete evidence and citations in law as to where his information is coming from, he did respond with some use=
ful points. In responce, you took each of his statements and responded by insulting his character. This helps nobody, yet is a common falacy used=
in arguing on this forum. Please, if you'd like to make a point, do as Christopher did, and present your ideas. BTW, I am a musician, and aprec=
iate what difficulty it can be to make money, however, I know that the electronic media and mp3s have also made it easier for small musicians (tho=
se not slaves to the record industry) to spread their music around the world.
If you'd like to convince us all not to copy mp3s, use logic not insults.
Thanks,
sean
-----Original Message-----
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:10:01 -0700
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Converting Tango Music to MP3
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:24 AM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Converting Tango Music to MP3
Jean-Pierre Sighe wrote:
>Please, just remember that the musicians who put their sweat to record
these
>wonderful pieces that you enjoy so much, need to make some money from their
>work. PLEASE DON'T just make too many illegal copies, simply because the
>technology (at the moment) allows that convenience.
>
>I beg you to put yourself in the shoes of the people who worked very hard
to
>produce the music...musicians, but also producers and other folks people
are
>not even aware of. They all hope to sell some records and make their living
>that way. Please be gracious...
>
>On behalf of all the musicians of this world, I thank you in advance for
>your co-operation.
<The issues of copyrights and copying music contain quite a bit more
<moral complexity than the above viewpoint contains ...
The above viewpoint, as you put it, Sir, did not intend to analyze ALL the
"moral complexities" that you seem to know, as the good "music industry
veteran" you seem to tell us you are!!!
<First of all, Jean-Pierre seems to assume that Julio intends to make
illegal copies. There plenty of legitimate reasons to copy music.
In fact, as long as all resulting copies that remain under one's own
control are legal. Fair use also includes taking extracting snippets
of music for use in lectures and presentations.
After all, once I pay for a recording, I have the right to enjoy that
recording anytime, anyplace, any way I choose, in perpetuity. Anyone
<saying otherwise can go sit on a flagpole.
Beware of your assumption now great chief!
<Another assumption Jean-Pierre perpetuates is that recording artists and
other creative contributors make less money when somebody shares a copy
of their music. That statement is definitively false to facts, as any
<music industry veteran can tell you:
You must be one of these people who just love to set up a straw man they
will then go to fight with. What a "music industry veteran" you are !!!
https://dir.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html
<Meanwhile, the recording industry can't even prove that illegal copies
<cost recording companies themselves any profits.
I really thought common sense was a common thing...I guess...
<At the rate things are going, someone will slap a copyright on traspie
and syncopation, and want royalties on every new tango song written from
<now until the end of time.
What a lousy and debasing view of the copyright Law! After all, may be you
are not the "music industry veteran" I had begun to think you could be. The
imposture is all of a sudden revealed...Thank God for that!!!
Jean-Pierre
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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:58:13 -0700
From: Jean-Pierre Sighe <jpsighe@SIGHES.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
Hi Sean,
It seems to me that my posting clearly made mention of "illegal copies". I don't remember saying anything about any reasonable and lawful copies. =
Therefore the words "illegal copies" circumscribed sufficiently my thought, didn't they? So, anyone out there making reasonable and lawful =
copy (ies) needs not worry. The shoe is not for them.
In the context of making MP3s these days, it is reasonable to bring up the subject of "illegal copies"; why?...because of the debate that is =
going on pertaining to the impact the technology has had on the Industry of music making. Whereas I agree with you that the new technology has =
helped unknown artists spread their work to a wider public, it is quite reasonable and logical to understand that a lot of abuse has also =
occurred at the same time. It is not a fallacy to argue that records companies have lost some revenues due to "illegal copies" of music. The =
logical consequence of that fact is that the artists (who are the actual creators of the music) have also lost income... (second part of reply in =
second posting)
Jean-Pierre
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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:59:48 -0700
From: Jean-Pierre Sighe <jpsighe@SIGHES.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
Hi Sean,
...By now, the unjustified arrogance of Napster should have provided enough light to everyone. The half tone of bricks that landed on the =
head of that company that at first, held the kind of idiotic reasoning that I detected in Christopher's remarks, was not just a demo by the =
industry to show how much it cares about the copyright Law. This was definitely a serious issue. As you must know, the Music Industry is now =
in full partnership with the High Tech Industry to help protect that Law.
A more creative approach such as the WEED File Sharing program is yet a better way for the unknown artists to promote their work. The debate was =
never on the fact of making copies, but rather on the problem of making "illegal copies".
Quite frankly, I could have responded to Christopher's remarks by simply posting in big characters: "HORS SUJET !" (meaning in French "out of the =
context") and given him the failing grade of 0/20!...Now, that would have been an insult...but it would have been a deserved one.
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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:37:02 -0700
From: George Nicol <george@INSCENES.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
Dear Jean-Pierre,
You are right on target.
Keep up the good effort!
George Nicol
Palo Alto, CA
Hi Sean,
It seems to me that my posting clearly made mention of "illegal copies". I
don't remember saying anything about any reasonable and lawful copies.
Therefore the words "illegal copies" circumscribed sufficiently my thought,
didn't they? So, anyone out there making reasonable and lawful copy (ies)
needs not worry. The shoe is not for them.
In the context of making MP3s these days, it is reasonable to bring up the
subject of "illegal copies"; why?...because of the debate that is going on
pertaining to the impact the technology has had on the Industry of music
making. Whereas I agree with you that the new technology has helped unknown
artists spread their work to a wider public, it is quite reasonable and
logical to understand that a lot of abuse has also occurred at the same
time. It is not a fallacy to argue that records companies have lost some
revenues due to "illegal copies" of music. The logical consequence of that
fact is that the artists (who are the actual creators of the music) have
also lost income... (second part of reply in second posting)
Jean-Pierre
Hi Sean,
...By now, the unjustified arrogance of Napster should have provided enough
light to everyone. The half tone of bricks that landed on the head of that
company that at first, held the kind of idiotic reasoning that I detected
in Christopher's remarks, was not just a demo by the industry to show how
much it cares about the copyright Law. This was definitely a serious issue.
As you must know, the Music Industry is now in full partnership with the
High Tech Industry to help protect that Law.
A more creative approach such as the WEED File Sharing program is yet a
better way for the unknown artists to promote their work. The debate was
never on the fact of making copies, but rather on the problem of making
"illegal copies".
Quite frankly, I could have responded to Christopher's remarks by simply
posting in big characters: "HORS SUJET !" (meaning in French "out of the
context") and given him the failing grade of 0/20!...Now, that would have
been an insult...but it would have been a deserved one.
Jean-Pierre
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:36:02 -0700
From: Randy Fisher <randyafisher@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
Sure, lets talk about Piracy.
I am not saying piracy is the answer to our salvation but...
There needs to be some balance in this system. We need to take record
companies, as they are now, out of the middle of this equation.
They have proven again and again they are not into the artist. Maybe we can
find a way to support artist with out them ending up penniless, what fun is
that. Maybe this is about who is pimping who? Cd manufactors, computer
manufactors, Record companies, and the law. I think they are in all in bed
together. They are dictating what distractions are available or maybe they
are legitimately fighting each other. Whatever the case it is going to fall
on the people because they never pay attention.
The whole discussion about piracy seems to be based around the poor artist
or the record companies losing money. Then we are made to feel guilty about
taking from their mouths when record companies have been taking from their
mouth for longer than the internet has existed. I think there is a more
effective way to support the artist's music and through record companies is
not one. There is a lot of money to be made so you have a lot of people
convincing you are bad. I think if someone came up with a way to pay artist
for their music many people would be willing to support their artist.
I am not against record companies but they should be distributors not pimps.
So lets talk about all the artist who have died penniless. Not because of
the internet or file sharing.
I think record companies provide a service that many artist need but the
cost is too high.
The questions: As consumers why do we let the record companies dictate the
argument?
Do I think taking music is the answer? No, not necessarily, but it goes both
ways. Until we all relax and start talking about solutions. Maybe record
company reform might occur and they might become more effective in
supporting artist so that the artist can give us more of what we are looking
for.
Many artist end up fighting with the record companies and we the consumer
loose and the artist. The very reason they sign on to the company is to get
their work produced not to get screwed. Yeah, they signed on, and record
companies are taking a risk producing their work but, selling your soul is
not a good scenario.
What about the record companies switching formats, or producing inferior
products, intentionally making products that won't last. So that you will
have to buy the music in another format or replace the same format.
What the hell am I talking about. I have thousands of Cd's that I bought in
the late 80's and 90's that are relatively dying. The aluminum is
disintegrating the record company neither apologized or replaced the shoddy
product. The also help invest in mediums that will eventually become
obsolete not to necessarily make a better product but to scratch the backs
of electronic manufactors. Who really gets screwed?
When they are taking from you they don't say poor consumers. They fix the
prices of cd's nice and high but the artist is still getting pennies. Owning
the rights of something should be more than having a lawyer and piece paper
saying you do. The artist copywriting is important but it seems it not
specifically for the artist.
Brainstorming...Maybe not every artist is going to make money perse through
distribution of their music. Maybe they make their money through concerts.
Contracts because of their music. Maybe there can be an agency that supports
artist that make music. There could be an agency that keeps track or the
consumers can let the agency know that their music creates joy so they
should continue providing their given public service.
blah blah blah
Randy de San Francisco
> From: Jean-Pierre Sighe <jpsighe@SIGHES.COM>
> Reply-To: Jean-Pierre Sighe <jpsighe@SIGHES.COM>
> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:59:48 -0700
> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Converting Tango Music to MP3
>
> Hi Sean,
>
> ...By now, the unjustified arrogance of Napster should have provided enough
> light to everyone. The half tone of bricks that landed on the head of that
> company that at first, held the kind of idiotic reasoning that I detected in
> Christopher's remarks, was not just a demo by the industry to show how much it
> cares about the copyright Law. This was definitely a serious issue. As you
> must know, the Music Industry is now in full partnership with the High Tech
> Industry to help protect that Law.
> A more creative approach such as the WEED File Sharing program is yet a better
> way for the unknown artists to promote their work. The debate was never on the
> fact of making copies, but rather on the problem of making "illegal copies".
>
> Quite frankly, I could have responded to Christopher's remarks by simply
> posting in big characters: "HORS SUJET !" (meaning in French "out of the
> context") and given him the failing grade of 0/20!...Now, that would have been
> an insult...but it would have been a deserved one.
>
> Jean-Pierre
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:06:10 -0400
From: jc maier <jcmaier@USADATANET.NET>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
I'm glad Christopher brought up his points.
And I also understand Jean-Pierre's concern.
To put him at ease from my case: I've been a musician for quite a few
decades now, so understand perfectly the issues involved.
Also, having paid out a great deal of money to buy these CD"s, I now simply
wish to concert them to MP3's and transfer them to CD's for my own use.
Thanks for the concern, and for all the great responses
I received to my original question.
Julio
> Jean-Pierre Sighe wrote:
>
>>Please, just remember that the musicians who put their sweat to record
>>these
>>wonderful pieces that you enjoy so much, need to make some money from
>>their
>>work. PLEASE DON'T just make too many illegal copies, simply because the
>>technology (at the moment) allows that convenience.
>>
>>I beg you to put yourself in the shoes of the people who worked very hard
>>to
>>produce the music...musicians, but also producers and other folks people
>>are
>>not even aware of. They all hope to sell some records and make their
>>living
>>that way. Please be gracious...
>>
>>On behalf of all the musicians of this world, I thank you in advance for
>>your co-operation.
>>
> The issues of copyrights and copying music contain quite a bit more
> moral complexity than the above viewpoint contains ...
>
> First of all, Jean-Pierre seems to assume that Julio intends to make
> illegal copies. There plenty of legitimate reasons to copy music.
> In fact, as long as all resulting copies that remain under one's own
> control are legal. Fair use also includes taking extracting snippets
> of music for use in lectures and presentations.
>
> After all, once I pay for a recording, I have the right to enjoy that
> recording anytime, anyplace, any way I choose, in perpetuity. Anyone
> saying otherwise can go sit on a flagpole.
>
> Another assumption Jean-Pierre perpetuates is that recording artists and
> other creative contributors make less money when somebody shares a copy
> of their music. That statement is definitively false to facts, as any
> music industry veteran can tell you:
>
> https://dir.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html
>
> Meanwhile, the recording industry can't even prove that illegal copies
> cost recording companies themselves any profits.
>
> At the rate things are going, someone will slap a copyright on traspie
> and syncopation, and want royalties on every new tango song written from
> now until the end of time.
>
> --
> Christopher L. Everett
>
> Chief Technology Officer www.medbanner.com
> MedBanner, Inc. www.physemp.com
>
>
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:30:45 +0200
From: "Christian Lüthen" <christian.luethen@GMX.NET>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
Jean-Pierre wrote:
> In the context of making MP3s these days, it is reasonable to bring
> up the subject of "illegal copies";
Terrible Pawlow! ;-(
And in such a generalisation an unappropriate 'bell' to ring.
> why?...because of the debate that is going on
> pertaining to the impact the technology has had on the Industry of music
> making.
Definitely and impact: Apple - not the music industry - was able to organize
the push-through of legal mp3-sales through internet!
> The logical consequence of that fact is
> that the artists (who are the actual creators of the music) have also
> lost income... (second part of reply in second posting)
The artists (in general) long have lost income ... as this music industry
takes the money into their pockets and does not pay a fair (!) share to
every muscians (all right: few musicians earn enormeously, but the rest?).
Music industry organized that artists lost income / never got their income
by not putting the coustumer in place to buy the music the coustumer wants
and not the music the music industry wants to the coustumer to buy! Those
musicians not pushed by music industry get no money ... and that's the lost
income. And that is not due to illegal copies.
To put it clear: I do NOT support illegal music copying! But there's nothing
against that one could convert his (legaly owned!) CD's to mp3's to enjoy
them through mp3-players on the go!
Christian dixit
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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:38:24 -0700
From: Jean-Pierre Sighe <jpsighe@SIGHES.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
Randy,
>The questions: As consumers why do we let the record companies dictate the
>argument?
>Do I think taking music is the answer? No, not necessarily, but it goes
both
>ways. Until we all relax and start talking about solutions. Maybe record
>company reform might occur and they might become more effective in
>supporting artist so that the artist can give us more of what we are
looking
>for.
I read a lot of good intentions on your part, but with some amalgam that
confuses the issue of the "illegal copies". The fact of the matter is that
the records companies control the Industry. In fact They ARE the Industry.
There's no professional musician out there who is silly enough to ever
forget that.
The general clichi of "record companies" fails to clarify that not all the
CDs on the market are financed by the Major record companies (which is the
general understanding of "record companies" ). Simply because a product is
distributed by Sony, does not mean that Sony financed the project.
Sometimes, these products are totally financed by very small labels. These
labels are sometimes owned by the artists themselves, who sometimes hold
side jobs to fully finance their projects.
So, when the "illegal copies" are made, guess who is really hurting...
Listen, I've seen someone with almost 20 Tango CDs compilations, all
illegal copies. Each CD would usually hold about 20 songs. We are talking
about 400 songs, with this ONE individual, all illegally copied and passed
around. Do you know how much money is necessary to put together a production
team to go to the studio and record 400 songs? Sir, It's a LOT of money!
The fact that the records companies, mostly the Majors have exploited the
artists and do exploit them as we speak DOES NOT in any way, shape or form,
give license to people to screw these artists even more. Buying CDs, allows
some residual income to eventually get to the artist. Encourage that
income! No matter how small it is.
If you are offered a home made copy of a CD or a compilation that a friend
or relative put together for you, please, simply remember at some point to
actually go out and buy a legal copy of one or more artists in that
compilation you received. That way, file sharing would have accomplished
what it should have been all along; that is : allowing the discovery of an
artist and the buying of his/her CD. That's why the new technology of P2P,
or Weed File Sharing is going to be the best answer. Napster should have
thought of that instead of developing the arrogantly ignorant attitude they
developed...
In closing, I'll say that sometimes, unfortunately, the artists neglect the
"business" part of Show Business. It IS a business. Because they are
uninformed about the business, they end up getting screwed. Some (fewer and
fewer...thank God!) don't even bother to hire a good Lawyer to protect their
interest and negotiate their contract before they sign it. All they see is
that $100,000 advance, that seems fat to someone coming from a long
struggle. They forget that it's not a gift, but a loan and that the record
company will recoup every dime of that money before they see another
check... This is however, a different subject that has nothing to do with
the making of "illegal copies" of CDs.
Jean-Pierre
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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:05:06 -0700
From: Jean-Pierre Sighe <jpsighe@SIGHES.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
Christian,
>The artists (in general) long have lost income ... as this music industry
>takes the money into their pockets and does not pay a fair (!) share to
>every muscians (all right: few musicians earn enormeously, but the rest?).
>Music industry organized that artists lost income / never got their income
>by not putting the coustumer in place to buy the music the coustumer wants
>and not the music the music industry wants to the coustumer to buy! Those
>musicians not pushed by music industry get no money ... and that's the lost
>income. And that is not due to illegal copies.
>To put it clear: I do NOT support illegal music copying! But there's
nothing
>against that one could convert his (legaly owned!) CD's to mp3's to enjoy
>them through mp3-players on the go!
Sir, you seem to be beating a dead horse! Nobody said there was a problem
with making legal copies. The point was made on "illegal copies".
Once again...the fact that some records companies have exploited their
artists, DOES NOT give you permission to exploit these artists further.
To even begin to pooh-pooh the otherwise logical conclusion that millions
and millions of illegal copies freely passed around has constituted a lost
of income to the Industry, therefore to the artists, is plain silly. Think
straight a little bit...please!
Jean-Pierre
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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:40:19 +0200
From: "Christian Lüthen" <christian.luethen@GMX.NET>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
Jean-Pierre,
unfortunatly you did not read my posting thoroughfully!
> Sir, you seem to be beating a dead horse! Nobody said there was a problem
> with making legal copies. The point was made on "illegal copies".
I am not beating a dead horse! My (and I guess other's) posting was/were
about the fact that after someone put a question about converting music to
mp3 *you* immediatly started bashing about legal issues! [is the Pawlow'
bell ringing now?]
People on the list refuse to be immediatly accused of wanting to make
illegal copies as soon as it comes to questions about how to convert music
to mp3 - which is in fact what you did by immediatly getting to legal issues
when someone asked the question.
> Once again...the fact that some records companies have exploited their
> artists, DOES NOT give you permission to exploit these artists further.
Nobody _ever_ said that!
Once again:
someone asked the list in general about how to best convert music to mp3 the
best way. In special the person put the question to the tango-list as
converting old cracky music (which a lot of tango-music is) to mp3 holds
other technical issues than recently recorded music (recorded cracky-free
with high-tech-microphones etc.) - these questions arise from the
psychoacoustic properties of the compression algorithm. [to my understanding
music with a lot of cracks and noises needs to have lesser compression to
come out at a better mp3-quality - one corects me if wrong, please]
Please: stop bashing modern times modern technique people for employing
modern techniques legaly to their legaly owned music by immediatly presuming
that they want to do something illegal. Honest people do not deserve this!
Christian
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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:55:03 -0500
From: "Christopher L. Everett" <ceverett@CEVERETT.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
Jean-Pierre,
You came on this forum after a perfectly legitimate request for technical
information, with the assumption that we are talking about illegalities.
That in itself implied an insult to Julio and anyone responding to his
request. Reeks of idiocy and arrogance, hey?
Furthermore, I'm always amused by people who call me names online, not
because everyone who knows me says otherwise, but because in the 20
years or so since I became a big and ugly man of harsh demeanor, no one
has had the courage to insult me to my face.
Let me speak bluntly as a member of your vaunted High Tech Industry
that works so hard with the Music Industry to put money in your pocket:
Your music industry paid my colleagues and I to create a world in which
lazy and cheap human beings can freely send millions of copies of any
music anywhere they want, so now CD factories are obsolete. We made it
so easy to do that the idea of major labels and radio being distribution
monopolies for music is as deader than Bob Marley. Because copying
digital music is so easy, useful copy protection that makes sure you get
paid and doesn't hassle your fans is impossible. Believe me, uses for
good copy protection worth far more to society than paying off musicians
exists, but so far, we have no viable candidates, and we don't we'll be
finding one, ever.
So if you want to make sure you get paid for each and every copy of
your music, you will have to treat your fans with even more hostility
than you've shown me here, controlling and nickel-and-diming them every
moment of their lives.
I'm sure that's a poor solution, but it remains your problem to solve.
--
Christopher L. Everett
Chief Technology Officer www.medbanner.com
MedBanner, Inc. www.physemp.com
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:43:03 -0700
From: Jean-Pierre Sighe <jpsighe@SIGHES.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
Christian,
>unfortunatly you did not read my posting thoroughfully!
I did read "thoroughfully"! I stand by the point I made.
>People on the list refuse to be immediatly accused of wanting to make
>illegal copies as soon as it comes to questions about how to convert music
>to mp3 - which is in fact what you did by immediatly getting to legal
issues
>when someone asked the question.
Please, speak for yourself! You are not the representative of the
list..."SOME people on the list..." would be accurate.
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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:04:40 -0700
From: Jean-Pierre Sighe <jpsighe@SIGHES.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
Christopher,
>You came on this forum after a perfectly legitimate request for technical
>information, with the assumption that we are talking about illegalities.
>That in itself implied an insult to Julio and anyone responding to his
>request. Reeks of idiocy and arrogance, hey?
The same legitimacy was perfectly expressed in my thoughts expressed. Sir,
if the shoe fits, then wear it! If you are that uncomfortable that you need
to go to a defensive mode...well...it might strongly suggest something.
>Furthermore, I'm always amused by people who call me names online, not
>because everyone who knows me says otherwise, but because in the 20
>years or so since I became a big and ugly man of harsh demeanor, no one
>has had the courage to insult me to my face.
It could be that people around you don't want to hurt your feelings, or
they might also lack the fortitude to tell it like it is. In my book, we
call a spade, a spade...Ne vous en diplaise!
>Let me speak bluntly as a member of your vaunted High Tech Industry
>that works so hard with the Music Industry to put money in your pocket:
Please, spare me the ordeal! Your membership to anything does not interest
me. Thank you.
Jean-Pierre
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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:53:40 -0400
From: "A. Taniche" <ataniche@BELLSOUTH.NET>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
On Apr 15, 2005, at 2:00 AM, christian.luethen@gmx.net wrote:
> Please: stop bashing modern times modern technique people for employing
> modern techniques legaly to their legaly owned music by immediatly presuming
> that they want to do something illegal. Honest people do not deserve this!
Christian,
Honest people don't throw away the bedpan as soon as somebody else is tutoring on illegal activities and their consequences.
Fifty cents of an Euro don't seem to buy much in the manners department.
Anita
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:28:06 -0400
From: "A. Taniche" <ataniche@BELLSOUTH.NET>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
On Apr 15, 2005, at 2:00 AM, "Christopher L. Everett" <ceverett@CEVERETT.COM> wrote:
>Jean-Pierre,
> You came on this forum after a perfectly legitimate request for technical
>information, with the assumption that we are talking about illegalities.
Christopher,
That's YOUR take on his intention and YOUR decision to butt in.
That's your Chief Technology Officer vanity showing off to an obvious foreigner of possible French ancestry.
>That in itself implied an insult to Julio and anyone responding to his
>request. Reeks of idiocy and arrogance, hey?
What a joke Chief Technolofy Officer. Idiocy and arrogance (call it like it is, hubris), is how you come across in this part of the continent.
>Furthermore, I'm always amused by people who call me names online, not
>because everyone who knows me says otherwise, but because in the 20
>years or so since I became a big and ugly man of harsh demeanor, no one
>has had the courage to insult me to my face.
Now I am laughing out of control and you are not even funny.
Just name the place and time Sr. Testosteroni, and I will be delighted to tell you in your face that the only ugly and harsh demeanor here are your manners.
You wouldn't hit a lady, would you? Hmm
Are you one of those fools who think they are gods gift to the tango and shove your Chief Technology Officer demeanor over any polite lady they run into?
Are you taking your pentup frustration on poor frenchie, he probably can dance circles around you. Do you hate that with a passion?
Jean-Pierre, are you a musician by any chance?
Please, forgive them for they do not know how to manage conflict.
Have a nice day.
Anita
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 00:35:17 +0900
From: astrid <astrid@RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
> Just name the place and time Sr. Testosteroni, and I will be delighted to
tell you in your face that the only ugly and harsh demeanor here are your
manners.
> Please, forgive them for they do not know how to manage conflict.
>
> Have a nice day.
Anita Taniche,
nobody wants to listen to you getting up on your high horse either.
Let's call it a day, folks and get back to talking about tango. Before the
rest of the more interesting posters sign off.
Astrid
(and no comments about the Euro vs. the manners department, please.)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:46:31 -0400
From: "A. Taniche" <ataniche@BELLSOUTH.NET>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
On Apr 15, 2005, at 10:35 AM, astrid wrote:
>Anita Taniche,
>nobody wants to listen to you getting up on your high horse either.
>Astrid
(and no comments about the Euro vs. the manners department, please.)
Priss spare me the estiercol teutona and not use the word 'nobody' except as your middle name.
I rather be on high horse than be the one being mounted, comprenez tu?
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:42:42 -0700
From: Jean-Pierre Sighe <jpsighe@SIGHES.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 8:28 AM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Converting Tango Music to MP3
On Apr 15, 2005, at 2:00 AM, "Christopher L. Everett"
<ceverett@CEVERETT.COM> wrote:
>Jean-Pierre,
> You came on this forum after a perfectly legitimate request for technical
>information, with the assumption that we are talking about illegalities.
Christopher,
That's YOUR take on his intention and YOUR decision to butt in.
That's your Chief Technology Officer vanity showing off to an obvious
foreigner of possible French ancestry.
>That in itself implied an insult to Julio and anyone responding to his
>request. Reeks of idiocy and arrogance, hey?
What a joke Chief Technolofy Officer. Idiocy and arrogance (call it like it
is, hubris), is how you come across in this part of the continent.
>Furthermore, I'm always amused by people who call me names online, not
>because everyone who knows me says otherwise, but because in the 20
>years or so since I became a big and ugly man of harsh demeanor, no one
>has had the courage to insult me to my face.
Now I am laughing out of control and you are not even funny.
Just name the place and time Sr. Testosteroni, and I will be delighted to
tell you in your face that the only ugly and harsh demeanor here are your
manners.
You wouldn't hit a lady, would you? Hmm
Are you one of those fools who think they are gods gift to the tango and
shove your Chief Technology Officer demeanor over any polite lady they run
into?
Are you taking your pentup frustration on poor frenchie, he probably can
dance circles around you. Do you hate that with a passion?
Anita,
Thank you! T wonderful creature of Woman...a Lady!
So much intuition, sensitivity, intelligence, straightforwardness, sincerity
and swiftness could only come from a great Tango passionate, Madame. I have
allowed the impression of you as a good Tanguera to color the horizon of my
mind. If only some Chief Technology Officer somewhere could learn from the
little you've here given us, Ahh! Wouldn't the technology of copying MP3s be
a little bit more imbued with understanding and Love?...Shall we keep our
fingers crossed?
>Jean-Pierre, are you a musician by any chance?
I shall respond to you off-list, I promise :)
>Please, forgive them for they do not know how to manage conflict.
Your advice shall be remembered T great Lady.
Allow me to lightly touch your hand with the delicacy of a kiss. Again Thank
you!
Jean-Pierre S.
>Have a nice day.
You too.
Jean-Pierre S.
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Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:48:09 +0200
From: Christian Lüthen <christian.luethen@GMX.NET>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
On 15 Apr 2005 at 10:53, A. Taniche wrote:
> On Apr 15, 2005, at 2:00 AM, christian.luethen@gmx.net wrote:
>
> > Please: stop bashing modern times modern technique people for
> > employing modern techniques legaly to their legaly owned music by
> > immediatly presuming that they want to do something illegal. Honest
> > people do not deserve this!
>
> Christian,
>
> Honest people don't throw away the bedpan as soon as somebody else is
> tutoring on illegal activities and their consequences.
Someone started to tutor without any reason to do so!!
> Fifty cents of an Euro don't seem to buy much in the manners
> department.
>
> Anita
>
Poor Anita: before you start hiting on me and others on the list you
should start reading thoroughfully others postings - and if you want
to shoot on the signature read and understand it in detail:
Christian's signature is:
> just my personal 50th of an Euro
> christian.luethen@gmx.net
> How inappropriate to call this planet earth ...
> ... as clearly it is ocean!
I never claimed 50 cents, never!
It's just simple mathematics: 1/50th of an euro equals to 2 cents.
*bcg*
Christian
christian@eTanguero.net
https://www.eTanguero.net/
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:05:52 -0700
From: Jean-Pierre Sighe <jpsighe@SIGHES.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
Christian
* Fifty cents of an Euro don't seem to buy much in the manners
> department.
>
> Anita
>
<Poor Anita: before you start hitting on me and others on the list you
<should start reading thoroughfully others postings - and if you want
<to shoot on the signature read and understand it in detail:
I'm sure Anita is well equipped to slap your behind right on its tiny
place...She has demonstrated that brilliantly. But I want to help in that
task a bit here.
Listen, nobody gives a fig about your lousy so-called "signature". The point
Anita made was on the "manners". 1/50...1/50th or 1/79...1/79th of a Euro,
who gives a fig?!
You're the one who should be the "poor Christian"...BTW don't be
presumptuous about her hitting on you. Given the lack of sophistication in
your thinking process, compared to her thoughtfulness, I'm not sure she
would even think about doing it.
Jean-Pierre
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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:02:26 +0200
From: "Christian Lüthen" <christian.luethen@GMX.NET>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
All right, got the message: Tango-L seems to get rude and insulting (again)
...
Those people who like to insult (J.P., AniBerto): Feel free to continue, but
you'll lack an audience soon as I can imagine that others on the list will
stop reading your postings as well. The only posting with real content (even
if I personnaly did not agree with it but that's pluralism and freedom of
speach!) by J.P. was the first one, any others didn't help the issue but
kept on insulting. Therefore reading the first one seems to be sufficient.
Anyway:
Happy tangoeing anywhere ... wishing you a good and really devoted DJ at
first hand. Even dancing to illegal music played by someone else is not
illegal (yet (?)) ... and as I do not DJ myself but only enjoy dancing
myself and playing music (on an instrument) myself the rest of the
discussion does not regard me anymore.
Perhaps a tip for those who maybe "own" illegal tango-music: It's so easy
and cheap to 'legalize it' ... just put down your CD-Orders in Argentina,
i.e. at Zival's [www.tangostore.com] For less then 10 dolares you should be
the happy owner of the orignal CD, including shipping. Or just buy it down
there on your next tango vacation [partillaly recompensates your airline
expenses! ;-)) ]. Converting those CDs to mp3 for your own private use is
(still (?)) legal and absolute legitim!
Enjoy!
Greetz!
Christian
> * Fifty cents of an Euro don't seem to buy much in the manners
> > department.
> >
> > Anita
> >
>
> <Poor Anita: before you start hitting on me and others on the list you
> <should start reading thoroughfully others postings - and if you want
> <to shoot on the signature read and understand it in detail:
>
>
> I'm sure Anita is well equipped to slap your behind right on its tiny
> place...She has demonstrated that brilliantly. But I want to help in that
> task a bit here.
>
> Listen, nobody gives a fig about your lousy so-called "signature". The
> point
> Anita made was on the "manners". 1/50...1/50th or 1/79...1/79th of a
> Euro,
> who gives a fig?!
>
> You're the one who should be the "poor Christian"...BTW don't be
> presumptuous about her hitting on you. Given the lack of sophistication in
> your thinking process, compared to her thoughtfulness, I'm not sure she
> would even think about doing it.
>
> Jean-Pierre
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 01:25:52 -0700
From: Jean-Pierre Sighe <jpsighe@SIGHES.COM>
Subject: Re: Converting Tango Music to MP3
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 12:02 AM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Converting Tango Music to MP3
>Perhaps a tip for those who maybe "own" illegal tango-music: It's so easy
>and cheap to 'legalize it' ... just put down your CD-Orders in Argentina,
>i.e. at Zival's [www.tangostore.com] For less then 10 dolares you should be
>the happy owner of the orignal CD, including shipping. Or just buy it down
>there on your next tango vacation [partillaly recompensates your airline
>expenses! ;-)) ]. Converting those CDs to mp3 for your own private use is
>(still (?)) legal and absolute legitim!
>Enjoy!
>Greetz!
>Christian
Christian,
Bravo!...Bravo!...
I applaud you with both hands. Thank you!
Jean-Pierre
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