5501 Creating a strong connection
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:09:46 -0500
From: "Virginia Nicholson" <ginnynicholson@gmail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: tango-l@mit.edu
<c7b752ef0801230909n4ae1fabav9fb09c949440a69e@mail.gmail.com>
Hi there,
This is my first posting to the tango L-list so be nice!
I have a question...I'm a follower and I've been dancing for about two
years. I've been practicing with a steady partner, but I still go to
milongas and dance with other people, so I can tell that my partner
and I lack the deep connection that I sometimes experience with my
favorite leaders, that sense of a silent conversation. My partner has
good balance and posture and has been dancing for a long time, though
mostly in open embrace...now we're trying a mix of open and close. I'm
not sure what's wrong. It's good - just not great. Do any of you
leaders have any advice? or suggestions for how a to strengthen the
connection? I apologize for covering what must be well-worn ground.
Best, VSN
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:59:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Tango For Her <tangopeer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: Virginia Nicholson <ginnynicholson@gmail.com>, tango-l@mit.edu
--- Virginia Nicholson <ginnynicholson@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> This is my first posting to the tango L-list so be
> nice!
>
> I have a question...I'm a follower and I've been
> dancing for about two
> years. I've been practicing with a steady partner,
> but I still go to
> milongas and dance with other people, so I can tell
> that my partner
> and I lack the deep connection that I sometimes
> experience with my
> favorite leaders, that sense of a silent
> conversation. My partner has
> good balance and posture and has been dancing for a
> long time, though
> mostly in open embrace...now we're trying a mix of
> open and close. I'm
> not sure what's wrong. It's good - just not great.
> Do any of you
> leaders have any advice? or suggestions for how a to
> strengthen the
> connection? I apologize for covering what must be
> well-worn ground.
>
ANYONE WRITING FOR THE FIRST TIME:
Don't worry about the "experts" on here trashing you
if you ask a question. They only desire to trash each
other. I sure wish this list could be more
constructive. One way to accomplish that is for
everyone out there to keep them busy with new
questions. PLEASE!
Virginia,
I have a couple of answers to your question.
If the two of you are close enough that you can be
honest, then, suggest a series of close embrace
private lessons working on slow, deliberate movements,
like just walking to the cross. If you can find a
very good teacher, she will correct the smallest of
connection details.
You could also suggest taking a dance, once in a
while, to just walk in close embrace. Let the focus
be on the connection. He should be concentrating on
removing any jolt from each backstep of yours. It's
like what I described in an earlier post about walking
like a cat. He should put all of his energy into
feeling the movement all the way through the step. He
will find that he is using more parts of his body than
he was aware of.
Good luck!
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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:25:03 +0000
From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
I've been in the same situation. It seemed like something must be wrong if I had better connections when dancing with strangers than with my regular dance partner and "significant other". But talking to other people confirmed it's a common phenomenon.
I analyzed it to a couple of things. First, I did a lot of practicing with my regular partner, trying to work out new moves, trying to perfect technique. That sort of set the stage, set the expectations, that then made it difficult, when dancing socially, to shift gears. I would forget to do what TFH suggested, "Let the focus be on the connection." When you have built up a habit or customary behavior of practicing steps and technique, you have to make a concerted conscious effort to focus instead on making a good connection.
The second and related thing is the "familiarity breeds contempt" thing. While it presumably doesn't go as far as contempt, it's difficult to avoid taking things for granted, to quit paying full attention because you've done and felt all these moves so many times before. It's difficult to be surprised. With a new partner, you pay more attention to each other precisely because you're new to each other - you don't know what to expect. That paying attention creates the atmosphere for a good connection.
I suggest your partner try out new moves by himself or with someone besides you, then he can have a repertoire to surprise you with. But mostly, just pay more attention to each other. Again as TFH said, just slow down. Tiny movements and playfulness can create great connection.
J
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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:41:45 -0500
From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Virginia,
An excellent exercise to strenghthen the connection is to practice with
the man's right arm behind his back, while the woman maintains her normal
close embrace. This exercise really forces the couple to concentrate on
the connection and, the first time you try it, you'll probably realise just
how weak your connection really is. But the exercise should bring about
a rapid improvement and make you both feel a lot more confident and
comfortable in close embrace.
Keith, HK
On Thu Jan 24 1:09 , "Virginia Nicholson" sent:
. Do any of you
>leaders have any advice? or suggestions for how a to strengthen the
>connection? >
>Best, VSN
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:59:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Tango For Her <tangopeer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: tango-l@mit.edu
--- Keith <keith@tangohk.com> wrote:
> Virginia,
>
> An excellent exercise to strenghthen the connection
> is to practice with
> the man's right arm behind his back, while the woman
> maintains her normal
> close embrace. This exercise really forces the
> couple to concentrate on
> the connection and, the first time you try it,
> you'll probably realise just
> how weak your connection really is. But the exercise
> should bring about
> a rapid improvement and make you both feel a lot
> more confident and
> comfortable in close embrace.
>
Nice! He'll have to maintain the connection with his
chest rather than his frame. It is a great way to
strengthen the connection.
Be a better friend, newshound, and
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:59:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: tango-l@mit.edu
..of course this good advice goes for the sexual connection, too.
I've been in the same situation.
It seemed like something must be wrong if I had better connections when dancing with strangers than with my regular dance partner and "significant other".
But talking to other people confirmed it's a common phenomenon. I analyzed it to a couple of things. First, I did a lot of practicing with my regular partner, trying to work out new moves, trying to perfect technique. That sort of set the stage, set the expectations, that then made it difficult, when dancing socially, to shift gears.
I would forget to do what TFH suggested, "Let the focus be on the connection." When you have built up a habit or customary behavior of practicing steps and technique, you have to make a concerted conscious effort to focus instead on making a good connection. The second and related thing is the "familiarity breeds contempt" thing. While it presumably doesn't go as far as contempt, it's difficult to avoid taking things for granted, to quit paying full attention because you've done and felt all these moves so many times before. It's difficult to be surprised. With a new partner, you pay more attention to each other precisely because you're new to each other - you don't know what to expect. That paying attention creates the atmosphere for a good connection. I suggest your partner try out new moves by himself or with someone besides you, then he can have a repertoire to surprise you with. But mostly, just pay more attention to each other. Again as TFH said, just slow
down.
Tiny movements and playfulness can create great connection. J TangoMoments.com
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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:07:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Great idea Keith, I'm definately going to try this one!
An excellent exercise to strenghthen the connection is to practice with the man's right arm behind his back, while the woman maintains her normal close embrace. This exercise really forces the couple to concentrate on the connection and, the first time you try it, you'll probably realise just how weak your connection really is. But the exercise should bring about a rapid improvement and make you both feel a lot more confident and comfortable in close embrace. -Keith, HK
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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:07:39 -0500
From: "Michael" <tangomaniac@cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: "Virginia Nicholson" <ginnynicholson@gmail.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
Cc: Michael <tangomaniac@cavtel.net>
Virginia:
Connection is not something that can be taught. That's like teaching somebody to savor a particular wine. Either you like the wine or you don't. Connection is a chemistry between partners. Chemistry isn't always present with every partner. This where the expression "it takes two to tango" comes from, IMHO. Each partner has to be comfortable within before there can be chemistry with somebody else. As my former teacher, Joe, said "We have to be able to embrace ourselves before we can embrace others." Dancing in close embrace doesn't guarantee chemistry. I don't understand how there can be chemistry without close embrace.
Frankly, close embrace can be absolutely frightening for beginners. It takes time to get used to it. I suggest you tell your partner not to concentrate on the latest figure taught in class or a private lesson, and just concentrate on you. You shouldn't concentrate on boleos, just concentrate on your partner. Practice to Di Sarli. His music is slow and emotional. Here is an example of my favorite "El Jaguel" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2aSbUNNO1A
The couple did virtually NOTHING. (Yeah, a few valcaldas were slipped in.) Nothing was rushed. DiSarli knows how to pull on my heart. Just listen to the opening chords. They sound like the Greek Sirens calling out to sailors to crash their boats on the rocks.
Connection is a combination of partner and music.
Michael
I'd rather be dancing Argentine Tango
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From: "Virginia Nicholson" <ginnynicholson@gmail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
This is my first posting to the tango L-list so be nice!
I've been practicing with a steady partner, but I still go to
milongas and dance with other people, so I can tell that my partner
and I lack the deep connection that I sometimes experience with my
favorite leaders, that sense of a silent conversation. My partner has
good balance and posture and has been dancing for a long time, though
mostly in open embrace...now we're trying a mix of open and close. Do any of you
leaders have any advice? or suggestions for how a to strengthen the
connection?
Best, VSN
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:36:14 +0000
From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
Michael wrote:
> Connection is not something that can be taught.
As an absolute statement, I disagree. I think connection is quite different than chemistry, though they're related, but that's a huge topic.
Regarding connection, the context was about connection with a regular partner, vs. that with a stranger or not-so-regular partner.
Let me describe my experiences in dancing with a particular woman, "A." I have danced with her dozens of times over several years. There have been a couple of times when I've had the most exquisite connection with her that we were both nearly speechless afterwards. There have been times when we were so out of synch that you'd think we were both rank beginners. And of course lots of times in between. When you look at factors that were present during the bad times, you can learn (self-teach) from those bad experiences. I learned how being nervous or agitated or distracted or exhausted or ill can detract from my focus and from my being present and my listening to her.
So to start with, to teach someone to have a better connection, you explain that they should relax, let go of extraneous concerns, focus their attention, and pay attention to their partner. It seems to me that these are tips or techniques that can facilitate good connections, and they surely can be taught.
That said, I will agree that connection is elusive, and I agree it's no doubt true that you can't teach connection to EVERYONE, but you most certainly can teach some things about it to a lot of people.
J
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:24:40 +0900
From: "Astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: "Jay Rabe" <jayrabe@hotmail.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
I believe that connection has very much to do with toning the inner muscles
of the body.
My connection with practically everyone is infinitely better than what it
was when I was a beginner. And it does not really depend on how much I like
them, chemistry and all that. I have never had a problem about embracing
people so that is not it either. And the sense of connection went yet to
another level when I took up bellydance, esp. after going to a milonga after
a tribal dance lesson which again works on the inner muscles of the body,
thus creating a stronger axis and more flexibility. .
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:05:36 -0500
From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: tango-l@mit.edu
On Thu Jan 24 9:07 , "Michael" sent:
>Virginia:
>Connection is not something that can be taught.
I don't really know what Michael means here but I'm a simple, straightforward kinda guy and I'm
going to assume it means what the words say - "Connection is not something that can be taught".
In that case, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree and I honestly have to wonder why anyone would
say this. Virginia comes to Tango-L seeking advice on how to improve her connection with her
partner and this is Michael's negative response.
IMHO, connection is EVERYTHING in Tango and it should be the very first thing taught in a
couple's very first Tango lesson. For example - the lady puts her hands on the man's chest and
the man walks forward leading the lady to walk backward. They're not learning steps - they're
only walking. What they're starting to learn is how to make a connection.
And, no matter how many years you learn Tango or how good you may get to be or how many
fantastic figures you manage to learn, IMHO connection will always be the most important thing.
Can you teach connection to everyone - probably not. But that's only because not everyone can
learn how to dance Tango.
I assume Michael means something else, but in the context of learning and dancing Tango,
I hope we all know what ... 'making a connection' means - and it depends on technique,
feeling, practice and awareness, not chemistry. That's something entirely different and I would
agree that the right chemistry between a couple can raise the Tango to completely new heights
and this is something that cannot be taught. The chemistry either exists or it doesn't. Although,
I have to say - many stage performers, and even social dancers, learn how to fake it :-).
Keith, HK
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:33:53 +0200
From: "Krasimir Stoyanov" <krasimir@krasimir.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
Whatever someone is telling you, you'll need a teacher present with you, to
check if everything happens the way it should.
It can't be done by written advice, especially at your level - the words are
nearly useless without feedback.
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:56:09 -0500
From: "Michael" <tangomaniac@cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: <keith@tangohk.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
Cc: Michael <tangomaniac@cavtel.net>
I guess the real issue is the definition of connection. If the context is the physical arrangement of the partners, then, yes, connection can be taught. However, if the definition of connection is the wonderful, exchange of emotional energy, that can't be taught.
You can plug a lamp into an electrical outlet. The bulb comes on when the switch is turned. How is connection defined? If the former, anyone can be taught to put a plug into an outlet. You can't be taught how to turn on the "emotional switch" and light up like a lamp.
I thought Virginia was writing about the "lighting up like bulb" connection and not the physical arrangement of the partners since she described the feeling she got from dancing with her partner and better leaders. I guess I'm the only person on the list who didn't understand what "making a connection" means as Keith wrote below.
Michael
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith" <keith@tangohk.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
On Thu Jan 24 9:07 , "Michael" sent:
I don't really know what Michael means here but I'm a simple, straightforward kinda guy and I'm
going to assume it means what the words say - "Connection is not something that can be taught".
In that case, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree and I honestly have to wonder why anyone would
say this.
I assume Michael means something else, but in the context of learning and dancing Tango,
I hope we all know what ... 'making a connection' means - and it depends on technique,
feeling, practice and awareness, not chemistry. That's something entirely different and I would
agree that the right chemistry between a couple can raise the Tango to completely new heights
and this is something that cannot be taught. The chemistry either exists or it doesn't.
Keith, HK
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:10:53 +0000
From: "'Mash" <mashdot@toshine.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu>
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 12:09:46PM -0500, Virginia Nicholson wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> This is my first posting to the tango L-list so be nice!
>
> I have a question...I'm a follower and I've been dancing for about two
> years. I've been practicing with a steady partner, but I still go to
> milongas and dance with other people, so I can tell that my partner
> and I lack the deep connection that I sometimes experience with my
> favorite leaders, that sense of a silent conversation. My partner has
> good balance and posture and has been dancing for a long time, though
> mostly in open embrace...now we're trying a mix of open and close. I'm
> not sure what's wrong. It's good - just not great. Do any of you
> leaders have any advice? or suggestions for how a to strengthen the
> connection? I apologize for covering what must be well-worn ground.
>
> Best, VSN
I believe their are two types of connection or two facets of connection. One being the "action-reaction*" the couple has and the other quite simply being the "emotional embrace" the couple has. Lets call that "Connection."
I think that you can be taught to have connection as this is a sensitivity to the other person. On the other hand Connection on comes from whether you are both sharing in something, atmosphere, music or even just the embrace. I think it is as simple as wanting to be held by each other and to share the moment. I think if you have the desire to just stand still holding your partner and she/he feels the same way then their will be connection, I can actually tell if there will be connection between us just from the way she holds my left hand.
And no I don't believe this Connection has to be a sexual thing, though I will admit it does add to it. Connection I belive is the desire to really listen to the other person. I actually have quite good connection with my male teacher and this comes from the fact that I have the utmost respect for him and do on many occasion hug him on greeting.
I think in all one has to work on connection the same way you work on any technique, but for Connection there has to be something more and I think that comes from mutual trust and the desire to hold and listen to each other.
'Mash
London,UK
*Lex III: Actioni contrariam semper et ?qualem esse reactionem: sive corporum duorum actiones in se mutuo semper esse ?quales et in partes contrarias dirigi. - Newton
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:45:07 +0100
From: <tango@kidojo.it>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
look also at https://www.kidojo.it/tangoargentino/art007_en.php:
Physical and spiritual connection
(From Sergio "Cachafaz" - published in the American E-list in 2002)
Patricia Muller - Florence-Italy
www.kidojo.it
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:14:57 -0500
From: "Virginia Nicholson" <ginnynicholson@gmail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: tango-l@mit.edu
<c7b752ef0801241214v436c20fbi8139d112ae6e1743@mail.gmail.com>
Thank you everyone for your excellent advice re: creating a strong
connection. I loved the instant gratification of getting a bunch of
instant responses. It makes me feel like spending my entire workday
obsessing about the tango was actually quite the sensible investment.
I definitely think I will have to seek out private lessons to revisit
the basics. I also enjoyed hearing from followers - I think that
TangoMoments is right about focusing on all-too familiar flaws instead
of appreciating the opportunity to practice. And I am trying to build
up my core strength as Astrid suggested - so many of the best young
dancers have backgrounds in professional dance. At this point I can't
even touch my toes.
Keith wrote:
An excellent exercise to strengthen the connection is to practice with
the man's right arm behind his back, while the woman maintains her
normal close embrace. This exercise really forces the couple to
concentrate on the connection and, the first time you try it, you'll
probably realise just how weak your connection really is. But the
exercise should bring about a rapid improvement and make you both
feel a lot more confident and comfortable in close embrace.
I should have mentioned in my first message that I have recently tried
that, and find it is the closest we've come to establishing a real
connection. I've been thinking that we should dance like that for a
good portion of our practices...strangely my partner's response to
that exercise is surprise at how much better I follow, and not that
there is a different electricity and deeper connection.
I also like the distinction Mash and others made between the two
facets of connection.
"One being the "action-reaction*" the couple has and the other quite
simply being the "emotional embrace" the couple has. Lets call that
"Connection."" Well said.
Virginia
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:44:20 +1100
From: Victor Bennetts <Victor_Bennetts@infosys.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: "'Virginia Nicholson'" <ginnynicholson@gmail.com>,
"tango-l@mit.edu" <tango-l@mit.edu>
<EBAF6BD07D1C6C42AF55D51893B4C6DA0256643D72@AUSMELMBX01.ad.infosys.com>
Virginia, I don't see this so much as an issue about connection per se as an issue about the different ways in which leaders and followers (and indeed different dancers) develop. First off, be grateful for the fact you have a regular dance partner. I too have a regular dance partner (my wife) and at various stages of our tango journey she has helped me, at other times I have helped her. But the more we dance together the sweeter it gets and particularly in the last six months or so (since we got back from BsAs particularly) we have really started to feel like 'one animal' as Cecilia Gonzales puts it, when we dance. We are at the four year point in our tango journey. It has been a long road and there is plenty more left to travel.
Consider, a follower can get to a reasonable level with work and lots of social dancing in six to twelve months. It takes much longer for a leader to master all the skills necessary to successfully interpret the music, navigate the floor, create a varied and interesting dance, embrace sweetly, have good posture, keep shoulders in line with follower's etc. In fact, if you ask the experienced leaders in BsAs, they will tell you it takes thirty years+ of constant social dancing! Perhaps an exaggeration, but not as far from the truth as you might think.
Demian Garcia explained it to me in a lesson once by drawing some graphs. For a leader he described an arc that was exponential (i.e. slow to start then fast much later) and for a follower one that is logarithmic (i.e. fast at start slowing down to a virtual plateau later) and I think that is pretty accurate. In fact this is why I work so hard at dancing well. My wife is already a divine dancer who is competent to dance with the best leaders anywhere in the world and often I feel like my legs are made of wood in comparison. But to succeed as a leader you need to accept that you have to work twice as hard as your follower to give her the sorts of challenges she needs to improve.
Having said that, there are a couple of things he could do that have worked for me personally, both pretty obvious really. The first is to make sure your partner gets to do lots of social dancing, at least once a week, and preferably two or three times a week. Classes and practice are no substitute for social dancing with a whole lot of different followers which is the fire that makes the leader into gold. Secondly, so far as lessons are concerned, just find a teacher (preferably try a whole lot of teachers) who concentrates on the *basics* in a close embrace context and focuses on those until the connection improves. You don't need a lot of steps, just constant reinforcement of the correct way to stand, embrace, walk and ochos. The basics are a lot harder than they look because there are so many things to concentrate on for the leader all at the one time and bad habits are so common. Fabian Peralta described it to me as like learning to drive a car. To start with trying to !
do all those things at once for a leader seems impossible, but miles on the dance floor coupled with a strong focus on getting your basic technique correct will work wonders. One day it will just seem to your partner that he has gone from one finger typing to touch typing and you won't even be sure how it has happened.
Victor Bennetts
>Hi there,
>This is my first posting to the tango L-list so be nice!
>I have a question...I'm a follower and I've been dancing for about two
>years. I've been practicing with a steady partner, but I still go to
>milongas and dance with other people, so I can tell that my partner
>and I lack the deep connection that I sometimes experience with my
>favorite leaders, that sense of a silent conversation. My partner has
>good balance and posture and has been dancing for a long time, though
>mostly in open embrace...now we're trying a mix of open and close. I'm
>not sure what's wrong. It's good - just not great. Do any of you
>leaders have any advice? or suggestions for how a to strengthen the
>connection? I apologize for covering what must be well-worn ground.
>Best, VSN
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:51:42 -0500
From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Patricia,
I was wondering when somebody would raise the ... 'spritual connection' ... red herring.
IMHO, the connection is made by the mind, including the emotions, and the body and if
you're going to rely on spiritual intervention, I fear you'll be sadly disappointed. But I'm
always willing to be convinced and read the article - at least until I reached the 3rd
paragraph, which starts ... "It has a physical connection that is more or less rapidly
learned...." Oh dear, click off.
Keith, HK
On Fri Jan 25 3:45 , sent:
>look also at https://www.kidojo.it/tangoargentino/art007_en.php:
>Physical and spiritual connection
>(From Sergio "Cachafaz" - published in the American E-list in 2002)
>
>Patricia Muller - Florence-Italy
>www.kidojo.it
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:25:25 -0700
From: "David Hodgson" <DHodgson@TangoLabyrinth.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
So Keith:
What is wrong with saying "Spiritual Connection".
Depending on the path one chooses, belief structure, process, etc. Does it
really matter.
Some would say that the examples you gave (mind, emotions, body) are
illusion (red herring). Some would say it emanates from within and some from
divine intervention. If you happen to follow the church of Bob, it is said
it emanates from Bob's pipe.
For my self it is walking on to the dance floor with who I am, at that that
moment in space and time.
In the dance of Argentine Tango is added what I am offering and how I am
listening with another, each step along the Tanda.
Further I do not forget tango is a nice social dance.
David
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From: tango-l-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:tango-l-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of
Keith
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:52 PM
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
Patricia,
I was wondering when somebody would raise the ... 'spritual connection' ...
red herring.
IMHO, the connection is made by the mind, including the emotions, and the
body and if
you're going to rely on spiritual intervention, I fear you'll be sadly
disappointed. But I'm
always willing to be convinced and read the article - at least until I
reached the 3rd
paragraph, which starts ... "It has a physical connection that is more or
less rapidly
learned...." Oh dear, click off.
Keith, HK
On Fri Jan 25 3:45 , sent:
>look also at https://www.kidojo.it/tangoargentino/art007_en.php:
>Physical and spiritual connection
>(From Sergio "Cachafaz" - published in the American E-list in 2002)
>
>Patricia Muller - Florence-Italy
>www.kidojo.it
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:02:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: tango-l@mit.edu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6YcpT9WGA&feature=related
fundamentals, fundamentals!
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:08:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Why do women put up with this..are they all masochists ?? ...and then she smiles and laughs incredulously?? duh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8jgnvrTxl4&feature=related
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:14:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Perhaps, musicality has a lot to do with it...certainly, the whistling here is special.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPAListD6I0&feature=related
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:34 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Creating a strong connection
Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an6YcpT9WGA&feature=related
Crikey. I hope that poor girl was well paid.
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Chris
