1801 admission prices
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:30:31 -0700
From: Rick FromPortland <pruneshrub04@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: admission prices
I'm kinda curious what it costs to get into a Tango dance around the world. Here in Portland, it varies from $5 to $8 in US $$. (sorry, don't know the Euro exchange rate).
I know that dancers sometimes have a rap for being cheap; I certainly am if not working regularily...
R
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:33:05 -0500
From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Re: admission prices
Rick wrote:
>I know that dancers sometimes have a rap for being cheap.
I think reputation comes from venues that sell drinks and food. Tango
dancers often do not want to drink much alchohol or eat too much food.
Water is just fine. Restaurants and clubs cannot make very much money on
water.
>I'm kinda curious what it costs to get into a Tango dance around the
world.
In Dallas, admission prices for milongas range from free to $10 per
person. The free milonga is in a restaurant that expects the dancers to
eat dinner.
With best regards,
Steve
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:18:18 +0000
From: ASTRID SATO <astridsato@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: admission prices
Rick wants to know, what milongas cost around the world.
In Berlin, they are about 4 Euros, (used to be 7 DM), in Sevilla I payed
nothing at all. It was in a Cafe-Bar, where they wait until enough tango
dancers are there(the dancers start to arrive at about 10.30pm), and then
they change the music to tango, and clear away the tables from the middle of
the room. On my first night, I had a cup of coffee, a cup of tea, a glass of
juice and a glass of water. When I asked for the bill in the end, it was
3,10 Euros (ridiculously cheap compared to what I am used to).
Now, in Japan, they have the most expensive milongas in the world, I think.
They cost between 2000-3500Yen (about 15-28US$ or so) incl. one or two
drinks, and then there are events arranged by Argentine teachers with tango
shows by visiting dancers, room for potentially 200 people and
all-you-can-drink-and-eat (if you manage to grab any of those scarce bottles
of wine and oolong tea before they are empty, or manage to be in the right
place when they bring out those two platters of empanadas for 90 people,
otherwise it will potato chips and Fanta for you), which cost 5000-6000Yen.
(40 to 48$). And there are events arranged by some Japanese ex-ballroom
teachers, who are now involved in the tango business, with a show of local
teachers and half a paper cup of wine for every guest, whcih cost 8000 to
10000 Yen (60 to 78$ or so...-I would not recommend those).
My first tango school in Tokyo asked me, if I would join their big party at
the (4 Star) Keio hotel, with performances by their Argentine and Japanese
teachers, and also teachers performing choreo numbers with students, and
some banquet style dinner, for the price of 25000 Yen. I reclined the
invitation...
Astrid from Sevilla
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:45:26 -0400
From: A Coleman <gurps_npc@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: admission prices
In New York City they have 1 or 2 free out door dances every week (2 in
summer, 1 in winter) and the rest vary between 10->$15.
for $15 you generally get snacks and wine.
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:14:30 -0500
From: Bibi Wong <bibibwong@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: admission prices
I agree with Astrid. The bargain milonga in Tokyo was hosted by Suiyookai,
which don't know if they run anymore (not because of financial reason). I
have been to some milonga (Kobe) with 2000 yen ($15) not including anything,
to a special event of milonga held at senior centre (Osaka) for lunch,
drinks, and snacks for the same amount of 2000 yen.
In HK is about US$12 to 15, with a lot of extra parties for dressing up
(people there like to shop and like to show off afterwards <grin>) and
showcases which can ask for $30, if not more. The trend there seems to
follow the trail of Japan, regretfully.
In Amsterdam, Neimejan, and other cities, very reasonable, can be free-- as
in the El Corte salon, or some reasonable few Euros (below 7 Euros). Some
ask for donations. These locations have beverages and snacks to
purchase.....
In LA they spread from $10 to 20, some have limited snacks and beverages.
There, I think the real cost is calibrated by the transportation time and
energy to reach these far apart locations.
In Midwest seems to average around $7.00
We all know about NY, around $10 from La Belle, that comes with nothing, to
avg $15 at others that comes with light snacks. The Seaport one is free....
again with the "restaurant factor"
Bibi
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:09:31 -0600
From: Brian Dunn <Brian@DANCEOFTHEHEART.COM>
Subject: Re: admission prices
In the Denver/Boulder part of Colorado, milongas are typically $6-$7 for
DJed music, $10-$12 for live music/DJ combinations or for lesson/milonga
combinations...
Brian Dunn
Dance of the Heart
Boulder, Colorado USA
1(303)938-0716
https://www.danceoftheheart.com
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:15 AM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] admission prices
I agree with Astrid. The bargain milonga in Tokyo was hosted by Suiyookai,
which don't know if they run anymore (not because of financial reason). I
have been to some milonga (Kobe) with 2000 yen ($15) not including anything,
to a special event of milonga held at senior centre (Osaka) for lunch,
drinks, and snacks for the same amount of 2000 yen.
In HK is about US$12 to 15, with a lot of extra parties for dressing up
(people there like to shop and like to show off afterwards <grin>) and
showcases which can ask for $30, if not more. The trend there seems to
follow the trail of Japan, regretfully.
In Amsterdam, Neimejan, and other cities, very reasonable, can be free-- as
in the El Corte salon, or some reasonable few Euros (below 7 Euros). Some
ask for donations. These locations have beverages and snacks to
purchase.....
In LA they spread from $10 to 20, some have limited snacks and beverages.
There, I think the real cost is calibrated by the transportation time and
energy to reach these far apart locations.
In Midwest seems to average around $7.00
We all know about NY, around $10 from La Belle, that comes with nothing, to
avg $15 at others that comes with light snacks. The Seaport one is free....
again with the "restaurant factor"
Bibi
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:44:22 -0400
From: Tanguero Chino <tanguerochino@NETSCAPE.NET>
Subject: Re: admission prices
Here's my contribution to the survey:
Prices for Milongas in Montreal ranges from CDN$ 6-8. None offers any snacks or drinks that I know of.
In Toronto, they range from CDN$ 8-10. 2 of the 4 offer snacks and drinks. Practicas in Toronto are a little less.
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:38:54 -0700
From: robin thomas <niborsamoht@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: admission prices
bibi wrote
> We all know about NY, around $10 from La Belle, that
> comes with nothing, to
> avg $15 at others that comes with light snacks. The
> Seaport one is free....
> again with the "restaurant factor"
hi bibi
at la belle epoque in new york, $10 includes a free
lesson, either me or viviana dj'ing plus probably the
best live music in the u.s. and a really beautiful
location.
robin
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:45:43 +0300
From: Eva <eva.varon@KABLONET.COM.TR>
Subject: Admission Prices in Istanbul
It ranges between 10 - 20 billion TL.
Converting the prices; I guess it ranges between 7 - 14 USD, and 6,5- 13 Euro.
However this price generally includes at least a plate of mixed fruit and a beverage such as coke, beer, wine or etc...according to your =
choice.
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:04:40 EDT
From: JFPaloma@AOL.COM
Subject: NA-W: Admission prices
Here in L.A. on Saturday nights at El Encuentro we offer much more than
"light snacks" for the $14 admission. We prepare a beautiful buffet table (with
flowers and candles) and platters of vegetables, fruits, cheeses, an assortment
of crackers and chips, 3 or 4 kinds of dips, olives, nuts. Sometimes we put
out chicken wings or taquitos or mini-quiches. For those with a sweet tooth we
have a special area with a variety of cookies, cakes, candies. We provide
plenty of juice, soft drinks, wine and beer. There is no limit to how much one
can eat or drink (although there have been times when we wanted to politely
inform some people that the food was meant for everyone and not meant to be a
replacement for dinner). We set up the dance area with lovely table cloths and
candles and romantic lighting. Since our milonga is on a Saturday night, we
make every effort to make our guests feel that it is a special night out. And
yet, it never ceases to amaze us that occasionally there are those who are
outraged that we charge $14. Even though our rent had been increased three
times in the years we have had El Encuentro, we never passed the increase onto our
guests but finally this last February when the rent was increased again, we
needed help so we went from $12 to $14. Since I'm the one at the door, when
people complain I always ask them (with a smile) where else can they go in Los
Angeles to dance until 2 or 3 am and eat and drink to their hearts content for
that price? After a moment's thought, they usually pay the admission with a
smile in return.
Our hats are off to everyone who organizes a milonga, no matter what the
charge, no matter how big or small, because we know how much work it is and what a
tremendous commitment it is of time and effort.
El Encuentro
4633 Van Nuys Blvd,
Sherman Oaks, CA
(818) 997-9419 or (818) 758-9167
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:02:50 -0700
From: Carlos Rojas <crojas@HACIENDACDC.ORG>
Subject: Re: NA-W: Admission prices
I went to El Encuentro in LA in August of last year, and I have to agree
that their food has been the best I ever seen in a milonga.
I had a great time, lots of good dancers and a very friendly community.
(also true of other milongas that I went in LA)
Abrazos
Carlos Rojas
Portland, OR
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 2:05 PM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] NA-W: Admission prices
Here in L.A. on Saturday nights at El Encuentro we offer much more than
"light snacks" for the $14 admission. We prepare a beautiful buffet
table (with
flowers and candles) and platters of vegetables, fruits, cheeses, an
assortment
of crackers and chips, 3 or 4 kinds of dips, olives, nuts. Sometimes we
put
out chicken wings or taquitos or mini-quiches. For those with a sweet
tooth we
have a special area with a variety of cookies, cakes, candies. We
provide
plenty of juice, soft drinks, wine and beer. There is no limit to how
much one
can eat or drink (although there have been times when we wanted to
politely
inform some people that the food was meant for everyone and not meant to
be a
replacement for dinner). We set up the dance area with lovely table
cloths and
candles and romantic lighting. Since our milonga is on a Saturday
night, we
make every effort to make our guests feel that it is a special night
out. And
yet, it never ceases to amaze us that occasionally there are those who
are
outraged that we charge $14. Even though our rent had been increased
three
times in the years we have had El Encuentro, we never passed the
increase onto our
guests but finally this last February when the rent was increased again,
we
needed help so we went from $12 to $14. Since I'm the one at the door,
when
people complain I always ask them (with a smile) where else can they go
in Los
Angeles to dance until 2 or 3 am and eat and drink to their hearts
content for
that price? After a moment's thought, they usually pay the admission
with a
smile in return.
Our hats are off to everyone who organizes a milonga, no matter what the
charge, no matter how big or small, because we know how much work it is
and what a
tremendous commitment it is of time and effort.
El Encuentro
4633 Van Nuys Blvd,
Sherman Oaks, CA
(818) 997-9419 or (818) 758-9167
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:08:27 -0700
From: Ricardo Tanturi <tanturi999@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Admission Prices in Istanbul
Seems to be something amiss here.
In the US, 10 billion = 10,000,000,000.
(10 million = 10,000,000)
so 10 billion Turkish Lira is about
7,437 US dollars, a bit much for
admision to a dance, even a milonga
with refreshments.
Is TRL different from TL?
I seems to remember that some countries have
a different idea of a billion than here in
the USA. Could that be the problem? Or
was "billion" just a typo?
Sorry if I sound like a nitpicking jerk
(since Eva made it clear she means 7
dolla5rs), but I am curious about this.
"Ricardo"
--- Eva <eva.varon@KABLONET.COM.TR> wrote:
> It ranges between 10 - 20 billion TL.
>
> Converting the prices; I guess it ranges between 7 -
> 14 USD, and 6,5- 13 Euro.
>
> However this price generally includes at least a
> plate of mixed fruit and a beverage such as coke,
> beer, wine or etc...according to your choice.
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:13:26 +0200
From: Aurelio Caliaro <aureliocaliaro@YAHOO.DE>
Subject: Re: Admission Prices in Istanbul
Ricardo,
billion means 1'000 millions (nine zeroes) only in the
US; in most other languages and even in British
English, it is 1'000'000 millions (twelve zeroes).
Trillion is eightteen zeroes, quadrillion is 24 zeroes
and so on. Not that we use those units too often,
anyway, except maybe in Turkey for the currency.
That's the problem with billions in English: we never
know whether its British or American English. Eva
obviously meant the British meaning. Considering the
possible misunderstanding, in a more important context
it is better to write the full number or write how
many zeroes there are, that's easier ;)
Greetings
Aurelio
--- Ricardo Tanturi <tanturi999@YAHOO.COM> schrieb:
> Seems to be something amiss here.
>
> In the US, 10 billion = 10,000,000,000.
> (10 million = 10,000,000)
> so 10 billion Turkish Lira is about
> 7,437 US dollars, a bit much for
> admision to a dance, even a milonga
> with refreshments.
>
> Is TRL different from TL?
> I seems to remember that some countries have
> a different idea of a billion than here in
> the USA. Could that be the problem? Or
> was "billion" just a typo?
>
> Sorry if I sound like a nitpicking jerk
> (since Eva made it clear she means 7
> dolla5rs), but I am curious about this.
>
> "Ricardo"
>
> --- Eva <eva.varon@KABLONET.COM.TR> wrote:
> > It ranges between 10 - 20 billion TL.
> >
> > Converting the prices; I guess it ranges between 7
> -
> > 14 USD, and 6,5- 13 Euro.
> >
> > However this price generally includes at least a
> > plate of mixed fruit and a beverage such as coke,
> > beer, wine or etc...according to your choice.
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:04:51 -0700
From: Barbara Garvey <barbara@TANGOBAR-PRODUCTIONS.COM>
Subject: Re: Non-tango content: Admission Prices in Istanbul
Wouldn't it be easier for the Turkish government to remove a few zeroes from
their currency as the French, Italian , Argentine and other governments have
done in the past? Then the only people who would have to worry about
billions are us US taxpayers, but at least it wouldn't affect the Tango-L.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Admission Prices in Istanbul
> Ricardo,
>
> billion means 1'000 millions (nine zeroes) only in the
> US; in most other languages and even in British
> English, it is 1'000'000 millions (twelve zeroes).
> Trillion is eightteen zeroes, quadrillion is 24 zeroes
> and so on. Not that we use those units too often,
> anyway, except maybe in Turkey for the currency.
>
> That's the problem with billions in English: we never
> know whether its British or American English. Eva
> obviously meant the British meaning. Considering the
> possible misunderstanding, in a more important context
> it is better to write the full number or write how
> many zeroes there are, that's easier ;)
>
> Greetings
> Aurelio
>
> --- Ricardo Tanturi <tanturi999@YAHOO.COM> schrieb:
> > Seems to be something amiss here.
> >
> > In the US, 10 billion = 10,000,000,000.
> > (10 million = 10,000,000)
> > so 10 billion Turkish Lira is about
> > 7,437 US dollars, a bit much for
> > admision to a dance, even a milonga
> > with refreshments.
> >
> > Is TRL different from TL?
> > I seems to remember that some countries have
> > a different idea of a billion than here in
> > the USA. Could that be the problem? Or
> > was "billion" just a typo?
> >
> > Sorry if I sound like a nitpicking jerk
> > (since Eva made it clear she means 7
> > dolla5rs), but I am curious about this.
> >
> > "Ricardo"
> >
> > --- Eva <eva.varon@KABLONET.COM.TR> wrote:
> > > It ranges between 10 - 20 billion TL.
> > >
> > > Converting the prices; I guess it ranges between 7
> > -
> > > 14 USD, and 6,5- 13 Euro.
> > >
> > > However this price generally includes at least a
> > > plate of mixed fruit and a beverage such as coke,
> > > beer, wine or etc...according to your choice.
>
>
>
> Logos und Klingeltvne f|rs Handy bei https://sms.yahoo.de
>
>
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 03:46:59 +0100
From: Daniel Iannarelli <dmi@OSTEOPATH.THERAPIST.ORG.UK>
Subject: Re: Admission Prices in Istanbul
Hello Aurelio (and fellow List members),
Just thought I'd stick in my views on this.
There is no such thing as English English or British English. English
came from England, therefore English is English, as is the language
English...English by 'birthright'. There is, however, 'pretend' English,
such as what the Americans call English - American English, in fact it
varies so widely from state to state that the colonial English language
has itself become a state (in fact, one hell of a state!). The
unfortunate thing is that with the help of the Hollywood film machine,
English has degraded so much that English to many countries around the
world is almost another language from the correct and original form of
English (ie that from England UK). What we hear due to the American
Entertainment industry and media is an adaptation and almost hybrid form
of English which can, in some ways, only to some be called 'American'.
Interesting thing is that, I believe, through my five visits to BsAs,
that the preferred English to learn in Argentina is English (ok,
ok...the proper British English). Bravo, Argentina! After all, much of
BsAs is British-influenced. The underground system was built by the
Brits, they even have the same (identical except for the Royal "ER"
crest) pillar-type red post boxes(!) amongst other things...
The French, on the other hand, want nothing to do with English. They
deny even knowing anything of English, why, even in their medical system
they use French, not Latin as the rest of the world! Seemingly, they
still have a chip on their shoulders not only about the Brits having to
bail them out during WWII but also about English overtaking French as
the international language! Ok,ok...it has evolved to the current status
with the help of the American movie industry, but nevertheless English
reigns supreme despite that - apparently - Chinese (Mandarin) is, I
believe, the language spoken by most people in the world with Spanish
and its variations (Castellano in Argentina, which I personally prefer
as it sounds almost Italian probably due to its lyrical melodic quality)
being the most widespread [I'm open to correction on all this, by the
way].
As for the Italians, well I can't adversely criticise anything here as I
myself am an Italian Brit. In a positive light though, the Italians are
pretty easy going about the whole thing, after all Italian itself only
became a singular entity language after the merging - by Garibaldi - of
all the individual and constituting states, even though there are still
now considerable local dialects in use all over Italy. Anyway, they see
through the American destruction of the correct form English language
but are simply (like the rest of the non-English speaking world) sucked
in to horrific spellings and catch-phrases etc...again, by the power of
media advertising and the film industry respectively.
The Australians are another matter again. I like 'em. They have a firm
basic English with 'in-house' colloquialisms that they don't intend
trying to impose on the rest of the world. Fundamentally, although I
don't like generalisations, they're very unpretentious in nature...a
'Live and let live' philosophy.
Back to the American issue. Thanks to the Americans, English is steadily
becoming a 'has-been' language. Spelling, grammar and unsolicited
familiarisms and colloquialisms amongst many other corruptions have
started a rot in the very fabric of the mother tongue.
All this can also be analogised in the corruption of tango to the
horrifying ballroom tango in the ballrooms of London and Paris somewhere
in the first decades (the 20s?) of the 20th Century [but that's fruit
for another thread]. After all, isn't tango a 'language' in itself.
Tango is tango music is tango dance is Castellano is BsAs is Tango)...or
am I wrong? I'm sure there's someone out there to disagree. What do you
think, Serge?
By the way, before anyone points it out...29 uses of the word 'English'.
Anyway, what all this has to do with "Admission Prices in Istanbul" I
know not.
Regards to y'all...
Dani
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 18 September 2003 08:13
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Admission Prices in Istanbul
Ricardo,
billion means 1'000 millions (nine zeroes) only in the
US; in most other languages and even in British
English, it is 1'000'000 millions (twelve zeroes).
Trillion is eightteen zeroes, quadrillion is 24 zeroes
and so on. Not that we use those units too often,
anyway, except maybe in Turkey for the currency.
That's the problem with billions in English: we never
know whether its British or American English. Eva
obviously meant the British meaning. Considering the
possible misunderstanding, in a more important context
it is better to write the full number or write how
many zeroes there are, that's easier ;)
Greetings
Aurelio
--- Ricardo Tanturi <tanturi999@YAHOO.COM> schrieb:
> Seems to be something amiss here.
>
> In the US, 10 billion = 10,000,000,000.
> (10 million = 10,000,000)
> so 10 billion Turkish Lira is about
> 7,437 US dollars, a bit much for
> admision to a dance, even a milonga
> with refreshments.
>
> Is TRL different from TL?
> I seems to remember that some countries have
> a different idea of a billion than here in
> the USA. Could that be the problem? Or
> was "billion" just a typo?
>
> Sorry if I sound like a nitpicking jerk
> (since Eva made it clear she means 7
> dolla5rs), but I am curious about this.
>
> "Ricardo"
>
> --- Eva <eva.varon@KABLONET.COM.TR> wrote:
> > It ranges between 10 - 20 billion TL.
> >
> > Converting the prices; I guess it ranges between 7
> -
> > 14 USD, and 6,5- 13 Euro.
> >
> > However this price generally includes at least a
> > plate of mixed fruit and a beverage such as coke,
> > beer, wine or etc...according to your choice.
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 01:59:36 +0100
From: Daniel Iannarelli <dmi@OSTEOPATH.THERAPIST.ORG.UK>
Subject: Re: Admission Prices in Istanbul
Hello.
Sorry to hit you all again but I've received an attacking email from
someone who seemed to delight in telling me that my 'drivel' has now
consigned me to his junk folder or whatever.
Well, in case anyone else either considers my posting the same or indeed
takes offence to my posting, I'd just like to say that it was offered in
an humorous vein, which perhaps I was not successful in conveying over
the email medium.
To an extent my posting was 'drivel'. The thing is that this was my
intention. To this end, I was making my point - subtly, I thought, and
with a light-hearted air of suggested humour - that very often posts
seemed to stray from the List's intention...tango.
I bear neither malice nor animosity towards any other nationality, so I
apologise if I offended, it was not my intention.
Regards to all,
Dani
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:02:45 +0300
From: "Aydogan (Encuentro)" <aydogan@TANGOENCUENTRO.COM>
Subject: Re: Admission Prices in Istanbul
Do not bother ! We are all tanguera/os !
Aydogan from Turkey.
PS: LEt me take this opp. to close the subject. Regular milonga admission
prices in Istanbul are usually 9 USD, including one or two drinks.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 22 Eylul 2003 Pazartesi 04:00
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Admission Prices in Istanbul
Hello.
Sorry to hit you all again but I've received an attacking email from
someone who seemed to delight in telling me that my 'drivel' has now
consigned me to his junk folder or whatever.
Well, in case anyone else either considers my posting the same or indeed
takes offence to my posting, I'd just like to say that it was offered in
an humorous vein, which perhaps I was not successful in conveying over
the email medium.
To an extent my posting was 'drivel'. The thing is that this was my
intention. To this end, I was making my point - subtly, I thought, and
with a light-hearted air of suggested humour - that very often posts
seemed to stray from the List's intention...tango.
I bear neither malice nor animosity towards any other nationality, so I
apologise if I offended, it was not my intention.
Regards to all,
Dani
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:27:51 +0300
From: Eva <eva.varon@KABLONET.COM.TR>
Subject: Re: Admission Prices in Istanbul- the never ending story :)
Well I already noted both USD and Euro conversion of the admission prices in
Istanbul. So I guess and hope Ricardo and others already knew what we were
talking about.
However people on the list seemed to me to that they had this opportunity to
talk about languages and metric system
Is it or not?
Nevertheless, it is lovely for me to read about the evolution of english
language :)
By the way Aydogan how are you???
Regards,
Eva
PS: Just in case; if what I wrote caused (without any purpose) a mass in
your mailbox please accept my apologies on my behalf.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Admission Prices in Istanbul
> Do not bother ! We are all tanguera/os !
>
> Aydogan from Turkey.
>
> PS: LEt me take this opp. to close the subject. Regular milonga admission
> prices in Istanbul are usually 9 USD, including one or two drinks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion of Any Aspect of the Argentine Tango
> [mailto:TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Daniel Iannarelli
> Sent: 22 Eylul 2003 Pazartesi 04:00
> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Admission Prices in Istanbul
>
>
> Hello.
>
> Sorry to hit you all again but I've received an attacking email from
> someone who seemed to delight in telling me that my 'drivel' has now
> consigned me to his junk folder or whatever.
>
> Well, in case anyone else either considers my posting the same or indeed
> takes offence to my posting, I'd just like to say that it was offered in
> an humorous vein, which perhaps I was not successful in conveying over
>
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:27:30 -0400
From: Ira Goldstein <eyegee@TWCNY.RR.COM>
Subject: higher admission prices for foreigners
This practice can be found even *within* the U.S., e.g. in Hawaii.
State residents pay less for inter-island flights, as well as for
motel/hotel accomodations.
In a supply/demand driven economy, this is a courtesy to natives,
whose disposable income is statistically less than the many tourists
that visit. The differential between natives and tourists is even
greater in Argentina.
Another way to look at it is by seeing this dual pricing structure
as something we're very accustomed to: a volume discount. While
individual tourists may attend milongas in Argentina for some
relatively small part of the year, the portenyos that attend milongas
can be counted on to attend throughout the year.
iBAILEMOS!
--Ira
Ithaca, NY
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:19:39 -0500
From: Lois Donnay <donnay@DONNAY.NET>
Subject: Re: higher admission prices for foreigners
Since I first traveled to Bs.As when it was expensive, I got used to
budgeting, and have never gotten out of the habit.
How about a coupon system? That way the people who go down to Bs.As without
knowing what they are doing are paying more, and would probably never know
it. Once they get more familiar, they can find where to get the discounts.
Of course, many tourists are paying more already because they are paying
tour organizers exorbitant amounts for what should be an inexpensive trip.
Lois Donnay
Minneapolis, MN
> This practice can be found even *within* the U.S., e.g. in
> Hawaii. State residents pay less for inter-island flights, as
> well as for motel/hotel accomodations.
> In a supply/demand driven economy, this is a courtesy to
> natives, whose disposable income is statistically less than
> the many tourists that visit. The differential between
> natives and tourists is even greater in Argentina.
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:06:33 -0400
From: Rick Jones <rwjones@FROZENGRAVITY.COM>
Subject: Re: higher admission prices for foreigners
Fundamentally there's not a whole lot any of us can do about a
two-tiered system that discriminates against foreigners, so why dwell on
it? If you don't like it, don't go to BsAs milongas. Of all the unfair
situations in the world, surely this ranks among the lowest in order of
importance.
Rick Jones
Washington DC
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:37:45 +0200
From: Hélène Eckert <Helene.Eckert@ITU.INT>
Subject: Re: higher admission prices for foreigners
I agree, but I am worried about Argentinians killing the goose that lays the golden eggs... I resent going there and hearing, too often, about my =
Euros or your dollars... if I go there 4 times a year, it is BECAUSE the euro is strong and the peso cheap !!! and, thanks to that, I can in my =
little way help the economy, dancing, drinking (water !), eating, renting a flat (but NOT 4 or 5 times the normal rent !), taking taxis, =
buying CDs, clothes, shoes, visiting the country, taking tango classes 8but NOT with teachers who want 50 euros per hour!) etc etc...
Recently, when I went to the Confiteria La Ideal, I told the lady at the entrance what I thought about their discriminatory treatment... she told =
me about the poor argentinians and about the (rich) foreigners... I asked her if she could read RICH or POOR on my face... and she charged =
me 6 pesos...
The 4 pesos is not the matter, the principle is. IMHO, the unfair situation is that of so many people there who starve in such a rich =
country ! It makes me really sad to see so much poverty... in a country of 34 millions, which produces enough food to feed 30 millions people...
Hélène
Geneva (Switzerland)
-----Original Message-----
Sent: mardi, 12. avril 2005 14:07
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] higher admission prices for foreigners
Fundamentally there's not a whole lot any of us can do about a
two-tiered system that discriminates against foreigners, so why dwell on
it? If you don't like it, don't go to BsAs milongas. Of all the unfair
situations in the world, surely this ranks among the lowest in order of
importance.
Rick Jones
Washington DC
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 00:31:19 +0900
From: astrid <astrid@RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP>
Subject: Re: higher admission prices for foreigners
> Of course, many tourists are paying more already because they are paying
> tour organizers exorbitant amounts for what should be an inexpensive trip.
>
> Lois Donnay
> Minneapolis, MN
>
Oh yes. Let me give you a few exemples::
in the year 1999 I saw offers for a millenium trip to Argentina, organised
by a certain Japanese maestro based in Tokyo:
the cheapest package cost something like 400.000 Yen, which was something
like 3700 US$. Of which maybe 200.000 Yen went for the plane ticket,
probably much less, and the other 2000 bucks where meant to be for something
like a week in a BA hotel, some food, entrances to milongas, (stated at 20
dollars a piece), private lessons (stated at 10000 Yen a piece which is
Japan prices and close to 90 dollars, instead of the fifty or less that they
really cost). The difference, of course, is for our maestro's trouble in
arranging them.
There was also a luxury package, by the way, for a million Yen (9000 $),
which included some time in BA, and a trip down to Tierra Fuega, and a
Titanic-like cruise to greet the millenium somewhere in the close vicinity
of the South Pole.
Naturally, once that group of gullible Japanese tangueras (mostly -ras)
arrives in BA, they are latched on to by the locals as everyone looks at
them as a goldmine. Offers from all kinds of "tangueros" to dance, Tete
walking up to some Japanese lady: "Who are you?" she says. "I am Tete. I am
very famous, would you like to take private lessons with me?"
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:06:33 +0200
From: Christian Lüthen <christian.luethen@GMX.NET>
Subject: Re: higher admission prices for foreigners
On 12 Apr 2005 at 8:06, Rick Jones wrote:
> Fundamentally there's not a whole lot any of us can do about a
> two-tiered system that discriminates against foreigners, so why dwell
> on it? If you don't like it, don't go to BsAs milongas.
that's it: that's for sure NO money at all for the organizers.
so if they'd only stick to fairness they'll earn more!!!
the market-system is easy to understand:
if someone charges a certain group more they'd stay away ...
... too bad for the buisiness!
Christian
christian@eTanguero.net
https://www.eTanguero.net/
