3421  Brunos two cents

Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 15:26:38 -0700
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Brunos two cents

Dear All, Excellent discussion about the history of
tango. I also heard that tango is not a dance. It is a
place. One does not dance tango. One goes to the
tango. The tango was the place where the whites would
go to watch the blacks dance. Elvis Presley and his
friends did the same thing here in the US and we got
rock n roll by white guys. Derik
--- TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
<sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:

> Dear Bruno I will have to disagree with your

historical views.

>
> Point #1: Slaves in Argentina - The first

Argentinean "Reglamento" some

> sort of first constitution declared in 1813 that any

person born in

> Argentinean territory was a free person from then

on.

> This meant that the children of slaves were free

persons. It also forbade

> slave trade, buying or selling slaves.
>
> The final constitution of 1853 made the necessary

monetary appropriations so

> that the state could buy the freedom of the few

slaves that existed then.

>
> Tango in its embrionary state appeared in 1880, this

is 30 years after the

> last slave was freed.
>
> Point #2: Blacks did not create tango. It is true

that most of the ballroom

> dances appeared due to an interaction between

African and European

> influences. (except the Viennese waltz, the Polka

and the mazurka).

>
> The roots of tango are Milonga, Habanera and

candombe.

>
> Candombe was danced by blacks, it is said that white

boys, and compadritos

> would go to the outskirts of the city to dance and

have fun. They would see

> blacks dancing thier candombes . They laughed at

them, imitated them for

> fun. They described that blacks moved as if a mouse

had been put under their

> shirt.
> It was from this imitation, mixed with elements from

habanera and milonga

> that the tango was born.
>
> My two cents.
>
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Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 06:22:15 -0700
From: Jean-Pierre Sighe <jpsighe@SIGHES.COM>
Subject: Re: Brunos two cents

Thank you Derik for your point right on the mark.

I'm ready to bet that a hundred years from now, there would be some
"sergiovandekier990s" somewhere trying to demonstrate that Little Richard,
Chuck Berry and other talented Black people did not invent Rock n' roll
(these "sergiovandekier990s" will be very adamant about it too!).

In fact, the name "Little Richard" and others would not even be remembered.
The sordid exercise born out of prejudice is just amazing.

Let's just all agree that the Black people in Buenos Aires NEVER did
anything that contributed to Tango. This should make the prejudiced puppies
feel good and perhaps dance Tango better???

Jean-Pierre



-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 3:27 PM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Brunos two cents

Dear All, Excellent discussion about the history of
tango. I also heard that tango is not a dance. It is a
place. One does not dance tango. One goes to the
tango. The tango was the place where the whites would
go to watch the blacks dance. Elvis Presley and his
friends did the same thing here in the US and we got
rock n roll by white guys. Derik




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