2837  Cafe' con pa'n

Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:20:37 -0700
From: Lima <amilsolrac@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Cafe' con pa'n

You know, without musical notation these things are hard to explain, so let
me use several approaches.

Do you know Milonga Sentimental? (Or a hundred others, very few of the
popular ones lack the cafe'-con-pa'n bit.) Look for the end of the first
couple of lines, and listen to the orchestra's base line: "Milonga p'a
recordarte // Milonga Sentimental" cafe'-con-pa'n, cafe'-con-pa'n. Note that
the cafe' is "spiked".

This part was easy, and probably old hat for all. When you dance as a leader
without traspie' you will typically step on the left foot as you say pa'n,
and on the right as you say fe'. Or vice-versa.

The pa'n is the 1st beat of the binary measure, the 1 count, the um in um-pa
(all ways of saying the same thing). Likewise, the fe' is the 2 count, the pa
in um-pa. 1 is often stronger than 2 in the music, but not necessarily so.

Graphic view:
1 & 2 & 1 & 2 & 1
Pa'n ca fe' con pa'n ca fe' con pa'n etc
um pa um pa um

Even those without any music background can find the pattern, e.g., right
after the beginning of the sung part. You can go: Milonga cafe'-con-pa'n ...
and there it is. Or during the introduction, very near the beginning, when
the sung part is about to begin. (The base line is then "in your face".)

Hope this help, cheers,

Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:59:06 -0500
From: "Christopher L. Everett" <ceverett@CEVERETT.COM>
Subject: Re: Cafe' con pa'n

Lima wrote:

>You know, without musical notation these things are hard to explain, so let
>me use several approaches.
>
>Do you know Milonga Sentimental? (Or a hundred others, very few of the
>popular ones lack the cafe'-con-pa'n bit.) Look for the end of the first
>couple of lines, and listen to the orchestra's base line: "Milonga p'a
>recordarte // Milonga Sentimental" cafe'-con-pa'n, cafe'-con-pa'n. Note that
>the cafe' is "spiked".
>
>This part was easy, and probably old hat for all. When you dance as a leader
>without traspie' you will typically step on the left foot as you say pa'n,
>and on the right as you say fe'. Or vice-versa.
>

Got it so far.

>
>The pa'n is the 1st beat of the binary measure, the 1 count, the um in um-pa
>(all ways of saying the same thing). Likewise, the fe' is the 2 count, the pa
>in um-pa. 1 is often stronger than 2 in the music, but not necessarily so.
>
>Graphic view:
> 1 & 2 & 1 & 2 & 1
>Pa'n ca fe' con pa'n ca fe' con pa'n etc
> um pa um pa um
>
>Even those without any music background can find the pattern, e.g., right
>after the beginning of the sung part. You can go: Milonga cafe'-con-pa'n ...
>and there it is. Or during the introduction, very near the beginning, when
>the sung part is about to begin. (The base line is then "in your face".)
>

Ah, now I recognize it. For instance the beginning of the milonga "El
Lloron"
(the version I know has what sounds a harmonica, I wish I knew the
interpreter)
illustrates it really well with the bass line, IIRC.

If understand this properly, then the traspie rhythmically goes with the
"ca-fe'-con" part. correct?

>Hope this help, cheers,
>

Absolutely. Do post this to the list as well. The more technically
oriented
types like myself soak this stuff up.


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