2914  Canaro and "sound-alikes"

Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:02:04 EDT
From: Crrtango@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Canaro and "sound-alikes"

One of the problems with Canaro is that he was such a giant in the tango
world that it is easy to disparage him because he did so much and he seems to be
everywhere. It is only natural to want to tear him down or compare others with
him. Not only did he write many tangos and was one of the first, literally, of
the great tango musicians and orchestra leaders but he was an impresario as
well and a powerful force in many aspects of the history of tango. HIs
musicians were some of the best ever. He also made close to 4000 recordings up to the
very last year of his life. So don't be surprised if you hear him often. But
many of his songs are great ones, many are so-so, others are overdone, some are
trite. Like Picasso who did many great paintings but also many bad ones, his
measure is more about his total contribution. Don't judge Canaro by a badly
compiled CD. That is the producer's fault.

Also Oleh's comment about not playing or listening to other versions of
tangos is missing out on one of the most interesting and fruitful aspects of tango.
Deciding that one is the definitive one is really narrowing your listening.
There are many great and different versions of the same songs. Many of them
were recycled often over the years and there are lots of them that are good
songs in three or four variations. I would suggest that if you see tangos you
already know on a CD by someone you like then definitely buy it. You might be very
pleasantly surprised by the version you hear. I have done a tango radio show
for over two years now and one of my favorite programs is to do sets of
different versions of songs. Just to give a few examples, and there are many,
compare Juan D'Arienzo's great version of "9 de Julio" to Pugliese's version. Talk
about different. Or Di Sarli's version of " El Choclo" to D'Agostino's.
Biagi's version of "Caricias" to Tanturi's. Canaro's version of "Silueta Portena" to
D'Arienzo's. Troilo's version of "Comme Il Faut" to Di Sarli's. All of these
are great songs. The list is very long. I would encourage listening to tangos
because of the artist, not the song. Just when you think you have heard your
favorite version, you might be very pleasantly surprised by another one or that
you like even two or three of the same song.

Cheers,
Charles Roques

Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:01:18 +0000
From: Oleh Kovalchuke <oleh_k@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Canaro and "sound-alikes"

Charles Roques sized up Canaro and wrote that "sound-alikes" in truth do not
sound alike.

On "sound-alikes":

My reasoning for deleting (well not ripping actually) "also in the running"
"sound-alikes" is simple: if you are listening to not so great tangos you
are missing on listening to the greatest hits. With century worth of
recordings there are so many hits there is no time to listen to less then
great tangos. I am talking about personal listening habits here.

You are right of course some versions are both distinct enough and good
enough to be played side by side. "Sonar y nada mas" by De Angelis and by
Canaro, "Desde el alma" by Pugliese and by Canaro. Here you go Canaro
again... Hard to escape the giant.

Cheers, Oleh K.
https://TangoSpring.com

>From: Crrtango@AOL.COM
>Reply-To: Crrtango@AOL.COM
>To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Canaro and "sound-alikes"
>Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:02:04 EDT
>
>One of the problems with Canaro is that he was such a giant in the tango
>world that it is easy to disparage him because he did so much and he seems
>to be
>everywhere. It is only natural to want to tear him down or compare others
>with
>him. Not only did he write many tangos and was one of the first, literally,
>of
>the great tango musicians and orchestra leaders but he was an impresario as
>well and a powerful force in many aspects of the history of tango. HIs
>musicians were some of the best ever. He also made close to 4000 recordings
>up to the
>very last year of his life. So don't be surprised if you hear him often.
>But
>many of his songs are great ones, many are so-so, others are overdone, some
>are
>trite. Like Picasso who did many great paintings but also many bad ones,
>his
>measure is more about his total contribution. Don't judge Canaro by a badly
>compiled CD. That is the producer's fault.
>
>Also Oleh's comment about not playing or listening to other versions of
>tangos is missing out on one of the most interesting and fruitful aspects
>of tango.
> Deciding that one is the definitive one is really narrowing your
>listening.
>There are many great and different versions of the same songs. Many of them
>were recycled often over the years and there are lots of them that are good
>songs in three or four variations. I would suggest that if you see tangos
>you
>already know on a CD by someone you like then definitely buy it. You might
>be very
>pleasantly surprised by the version you hear. I have done a tango radio
>show
>for over two years now and one of my favorite programs is to do sets of
>different versions of songs. Just to give a few examples, and there are
>many,
>compare Juan D'Arienzo's great version of "9 de Julio" to Pugliese's
>version. Talk
>about different. Or Di Sarli's version of " El Choclo" to D'Agostino's.
>Biagi's version of "Caricias" to Tanturi's. Canaro's version of "Silueta
>Portena" to
>D'Arienzo's. Troilo's version of "Comme Il Faut" to Di Sarli's. All of
>these
>are great songs. The list is very long. I would encourage listening to
>tangos
>because of the artist, not the song. Just when you think you have heard
>your
>favorite version, you might be very pleasantly surprised by another one or
>that
>you like even two or three of the same song.
>
>Cheers,
>Charles Roques

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:56:51 +1000
From: Chanop Silpa-Anan <chanop@MAIL.RSISE.ANU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Canaro and "sound-alikes"

Troilo's So๑ar y nada mแs with Fiorentino and Marino on vocal is my
favourite -- it's a wonderful rendition. IIRC, Julio Balmaceda and
Cecilia Gonzalez had a delightful performance at the end of CITA 2003.

Canaro's Desde el alma with Nelly Omar on vocal is so adorable, but
probably is less well known than his other orchestral version. So here
they go, same song, same orchestra, different renditions from different
period.


Chanop

On a good day of Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 12:01:18AM +0000, Oleh Kovalchuke wrote

> You are right of course some versions are both distinct enough and good
> enough to be played side by side. "Sonar y nada mas" by De Angelis and by
> Canaro, "Desde el alma" by Pugliese and by Canaro. Here you go Canaro
> again... Hard to escape the giant.