3661 Community (mixer) dances
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:05:52 -0400
From: Sharon Pedersen <pedersen@BOWDOIN.EDU>
Subject: Community (mixer) dances
I was recently dancing tango in Colorado for the first time, and got to experience the community (mixer) dance at two of the practicas.
I'm wondering what people's experience and feelings about these are?
I thought it was a wonderful way to give everybody a chance to get on the dance floor, a rejection-free way for shy people or inexperienced people to get up and be encouraged to participate. However, it didn't actually seem to produce any "we've been introduced in the mixer, now let's dance/practice something together for a few whole songs" follow-up. In fact, sometimes it felt rather the opposite: "we've danced together in the mixer, so I've fulfilled any social obligation I might have to welcome you to our community, and further more what I really found out is that your dancing sucks, so don't expect me to dance with you again even when asked directly."
For those who haven't experienced it, it works like this: leaders and followers line up at opposite sides of the room; the first two people meet in the middle at one end and dance to other end of the room, where they split up and rejoin ends of their line. As soon as the first couple has begun dancing, the next couple begins, etc. The DJ typically plays three songs for this. At the two practicas I was at, it was done in the middle of the evening.
__Sharon Pedersen
pedersen at bowdoin dot edu
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:56:03 -0700
From: Michael at Tango Bellingham <michaele@TANGOBELLINGHAM.COM>
Subject: Re: Community (mixer) dances
It doesn't sound like a practica to me - too structured. Sounds more
like a milonga. Do people have the choice to opt-out of these PC activities?
Is this idea that you have to force everybody to dance with someone they
might not otherwise dance with under the guise of "building community" a
USA-centric PC thing, or does it go on elsewhere?
What about our previous discussion re: inappropriate behavior while
dancing? Do you *have* to dance with the serial groper/gropette just
because you get paired up with them during this "mixer"? Yuck!
Michael
Tango Bellingham
www.tangobellingham.com
Sharon Pedersen wrote:
>
> I thought it was a wonderful way to give everybody a chance to get on
> the dance floor, a rejection-free way for shy people or inexperienced
> people to get up and be encouraged to participate. However, it
> didn't actually seem to produce any "we've been introduced in the
> mixer, now let's dance/practice something together for a few whole
> songs" follow-up. In fact, sometimes it felt rather the opposite:
> "we've danced together in the mixer, so I've fulfilled any social
> obligation I might have to welcome you to our community, and further
> more what I really found out is that your dancing sucks, so don't
> expect me to dance with you again even when asked directly."
>
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:10:17 -0600
From: Oleh Kovalchuke <tangospring@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Community (mixer) dances
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Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:30:48 -0400
From: Richard deSousa <mallpasso@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Community (mixer) dances
They did that in grammar school and I hated it!! LOL
El Bandito de Tango
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:05:52 -0400
Subject: [TANGO-L] Community (mixer) dances
I was recently dancing tango in Colorado for the first time, and got
to
experience the community (mixer) dance at two of the practicas.
I'm wondering what people's experience and feelings about these are?
I thought it was a wonderful way to give everybody a chance to get on
the dance
floor, a rejection-free way for shy people or inexperienced people to
get up and
be encouraged to participate. However, it didn't actually seem to
produce any
"we've been introduced in the mixer, now let's dance/practice something
together
for a few whole songs" follow-up. In fact, sometimes it felt rather
the
opposite: "we've danced together in the mixer, so I've fulfilled any
social
obligation I might have to welcome you to our community, and further
more what I
really found out is that your dancing sucks, so don't expect me to
dance with
you again even when asked directly."
For those who haven't experienced it, it works like this: leaders and
followers
line up at opposite sides of the room; the first two people meet in the
middle
at one end and dance to other end of the room, where they split up and
rejoin
ends of their line. As soon as the first couple has begun dancing, the
next
couple begins, etc. The DJ typically plays three songs for this. At
the two
practicas I was at, it was done in the middle of the evening.
__Sharon Pedersen
pedersen at bowdoin dot edu
LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:36:05 -0600
From: Brian Dunn <brian@DANCEOFTHEHEART.COM>
Subject: Colorado community (mixer) dances
Sharon Pederson wrote:
>>>>
"I was recently dancing tango in Colorado for the first time, and got
To experience the community (mixer) dance at two of the practicas.
I'm wondering what people's experience and feelings about these are?...
...For those who haven't experienced it, it works like this: leaders and
Followers line up at opposite sides of the room; the first two people meet
in the middle at one end and dance to other end of the room, where they
split up and rejoin ends of their line. As soon as the first couple has
begun dancing, the next couple begins, etc. The DJ typically plays three
songs for this. At the two practicas I was at, it was done in the middle of
the evening...
<<<<
I've been dancing at Tango Colorado practices for eight years now. This
practice started a year or two ago, when Pat Patton became president of
Tango Colorado.
Sharon further wrote:
>>>
I thought it was a wonderful way to give everybody a chance to get on
the dance floor, a rejection-free way for shy people or inexperienced people
to get up and be encouraged to participate.
<<<
It's fair to say that the mixer has been wildly successful at this, which
was its primary aim. For those who participate (nearly everyone, including
many of the local teachers) it also has been a good way to get people out of
their limited circle of usual practice partners, and to meet someone new.
It's too short to be tremendously unpleasant, no matter who you are paired
with. And sometimes you are surprised to encounter someone new with whom
you genuinely have a connection. The rapid-fire rotation keeps the energy
up, heightens the social buzz in the room, and since it immediately follows
announcements, it helps to ramp up the energy following a period of
everybody sitting down and cooling off while listening to the latest local
tango news.
>>>
However, it didn't actually seem to produce any "we've been introduced in
the mixer, now let's dance/practice something together for a few whole
songs" follow-up. In fact, sometimes it felt rather the opposite: "we've
danced together in the mixer, so I've fulfilled any social obligation I
might have to welcome you to our community,..."
<<<
True enough. Welcoming newcomers to the community is not necessarily a goal
that everyone who attends a practica shares in equal measure on any given
night. But with this institutionalization of mixing, many many more people
were drawn into dancing with many many more partners on a given night than
would have happened otherwise.
"...and further more what I really found out is that your dancing sucks, so
don't expect me to dance with you again even when asked directly."
<<<
Of course this kind of unpleasant interaction is possible in such a setting.
On behalf of the Colorado tango community, I apologize if you were
personally treated by any of your partners this way.
On the other hand, this was designed primarily as a long-term community
enhancement project, not expected to deliver guaranteed perfect resolutions
for everyone's tango fantasies in the space of three songs (during which
time you might have four to ten partner changes, depending on gender balance
and crowd size). And the flipside of the interaction you describe also
holds: over time, a leader/follower who left a partner with the impression
you describe might find, when paired with the same partner some time later,
that that person's dancing had measurably improved.
So, what's the downside of this idea? Well, sometimes people will "game the
line" in order to get the partner they want, through various ways that I
leave to your imagination. This can produce really hurtful moments when two
leaders or followers start to perceptibly "argue" about who essentially has
to be "stuck with" some person not currently deemed prime partner material.
If crowds get really big, sometimes people spend too much time in line,
waiting to be paired with someone, because each couple as they pair up form
a partial temporary bottleneck on the pairing process.
Bottom line: I myself enjoy the mixers a lot, and recommend them
enthusiastically. It's possible that some communities wouldn't have the
group chemistry to pull them off, and certainly (as responses in this thread
have shown) they don't meet everyone's requirements for how to invest their
limited practice time on a minute-by-minute basis. (I suspect most
respondents may be primarily speculating about the idea, rather than
reporting on extensive experience with the concept). But I think the
cost-benefit ratio is very favorable for a community, and I know people who
were unenthusiastic about the idea who have comfortably adapted to our
version of the mixer.
All the best,
Brian Dunn
Dance of the Heart
Boulder, CO 80302
www.danceoftheheart.com
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:02:56 -0700
From: Michael at Tango Bellingham <michaele@TANGOBELLINGHAM.COM>
Subject: Re: Colorado community (mixer) dances
Brian Dunn wrote:
> It's too short to be tremendously unpleasant, no matter who you are paired
> with.
Sorry, Brian, I have to disagree. There are certain people I won't dance
with for any reason, whether for past slights, or them having injured me
in the past, whatever. I am *extremely* selective about with whom I dance.
And to ask a woman to dance with a man that has been disrespectful or
abusive to her in the past, saying "it's too short to be tremendously
unpleasant", well....I know what my dance partner Marjorie would say to
that!
Michael
Tango Bellingham
www.tangobellingham.com
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:14:15 -0700
From: Brian Tomasini <colormetango@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: FW: [TANGO-L] Community (mixer) dances
-"For those who haven't experienced it, it works like this: leaders and
followers line up at opposite sides of the room; the first two people meet
in the middle at one end and dance to other end of the room, where they
split up and rejoin ends of their line. As soon as the first couple has
begun dancing, the next couple begins, etc. The DJ typically plays three
songs for this. At the two practicas I was at, it was done in the middle of
the evening."
I will reserve comment on mixers during milongas as I have not experienced
one. However, I have always enjoyed and appreciated this format for group
lessons and workshops, especially for long traveling steps and groups with
an imbalance of leaders and follwers, or levels of experience. Eduardo and
Gloria Arquimbau would set up two chairs at the head of the room for two
separate lines of dance down the center. No one is left out or "stuck" with
anyone, everyone has a chance to see the steps, the mistakes, and the
possibilites. Two lines move things along very quickly, and individual
attention by the instructors can easily be facillitated for couples without
setting up a "construction zone" in the circular line of dance. Sometimes
leaders will actually introduce themselves to each other. It can put a
little fun and sense of community into the scene. But, you will likely dance
with those outside your list of usual suspects.
Brian
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:48:03 -0600
From: Brian Dunn <brian@DANCEOFTHEHEART.COM>
Subject: Re: Colorado community (mixer) dances
Michael wrote:
>>>>
Brian Dunn wrote:
> It's too short to be tremendously unpleasant, no matter who you are paired
> with.
Sorry, Brian, I have to disagree. There are certain people I won't dance
with for any reason, whether for past slights, or them having injured me
in the past, whatever. I am *extremely* selective about with whom I dance.
And to ask a woman to dance with a man that has been disrespectful or
abusive to her in the past, saying "it's too short to be tremendously
unpleasant", well....I know what my dance partner Marjorie would say to
that!
<<<<
Fair enough...in hindsight, I should have led off that sentence by saying,
"In my experience,...".
I understand and respect your decision not to dance with certain people
ever. Dancing is deeply personal - I hope it goes without saying that no
one should ever HAVE to dance with any particular person. However, I have
personally found the random element of the community dance to be an
attractive occasional alternative. I've found this to be true even (or
sometimes especially) when I end up paired with someone I wouldn't ask
normally for any number of reasons, including personal ones. Fate works in
strange ways...;)
In any case, not every "tango family" can pull this off in a way that works
for most, but based on local experience, once the group gets large enough,
it seems worth a try.
Of course, in the Tango Colorado practicas no one is *required* to
participate, and some people routinely opt out.
All the best,
Brian Dunn
Dance of the Heart
Boulder, CO USA
www.danceoftheheart.com
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:57:58 -0500
From: Susan Munoz <susanmunoz@9DOTSOLUTIONS.COM>
Subject: Community (mixer) dances and taxi dancers and single women
Hola,
It's been interesting, but not surprising that the response to the
"mixer" question has been mostly negative. It appears that most of the
responses have come from the male gender. The reaction to "taxi dancers"
has also been mostly negative. Hmmm. This is somewhat
thought-provoking, given the age-old challenge of there usually being
more women than men.
I've always wondered what would happen to the tango festivals if only
couples signed up? What would happen to the tango classes? Would there
be enough revenue to support the classes and festivals on a dependable
basis? I do not know the answer to this. Certainly, neither the
classes nor the festivals would disappear but it does seem like there is
a large amount of single women who attend both. Generally (or so it
appears) there are more women than men who want to dance in this
Country. I am aware that some of these women live in communities where
there are no classes, no practicas, no milongas and no festivals at all.
Some live in communities where there may be a class of 2-8 people. Even
more problematic is they do not have a steady partner, whether in life
or just for dance. Yet, somehow, some where along the way, they, too,
came across the music, the dance and, well, you know the rest of the
story....., they fell helplessly in love with tango and, they too,
wanted to participate in this great dance. They work; they save their
money; they travel, they attend festivals, and they take private lessons
as finances allow; i.e., they do their homework and they practice as
best they can albeit no thriving tango community. Relocating may not be
a viable option because of career, family responsibilities or other
valid reasons. Nonetheless, they support the tango community and they
diligently work to become better followers. What they look forward to
is enjoying a few good dances. Often, they are discouraged because they
sit and they wait in hopes of getting to dance. Some are shy; some are
not; some are quite attractive; some are not; some exude sensuality;
some do not; some are very young and some are not.
What I " think" I am seeing in this forum is discouraging. What I am
feeling (and these are only my feelings) that many within the tango
community deep down within their hearts believe that tango should be
left for the young, sexy and coupled world. (Please understand that I
cannot judge what someone else is feeling, nor am I a mind reader, but
based on the remarks, it would be fairly easy to perceive or come to the
conclusion that they should just give it up. I've never knowingly had a
dance with a taxi dancer but I certainly can imagine it would beat the
heck out of sitting and wishing and hoping. If anyone out there has
got any ideas as to how to best address this challenge, I'm sure it
would be welcomed by many readers, particularly instructors, organizers
and others..
To say that women who would utilize the services as a taxi dancer "...
would never be inspired to work on themselves or their dance to the
point where they could experience a closeness..." Or, that "these poor
women will never have the incentive to bring their dance up to the level
where it can be a *shared* pleasure....." seems a little -- at best --
quick to pass judgment, and -- at worst -- unfair -- without knowing all
of the circumstances as to why the woman is dancing with a taxi dancer..
From a personal standpoint, I am very thankful to have the opportunity
to dance........ Period! Yes, I may get some less than the best dances,
but I think some day this guy may become very good and he's going to
remember me. And, no, I don't go into the "tango-zone" with
someone20-30 years my junior, but I can think of a talented young man
who asked me to dance and when I missed a lead, he ever so gently
stopped and just very lightly and tenderly held me. It was a type of
human closeness, nothing more. A type of unconditional love, if I may
be so brave -- the same kind where a young man would not be ashamed to
hug his grandmother in public.
I apologize in advance if I have offended anyone, because that was not
the intent, but mixers, taxi dancers........ "You go girl!" Dance for
the sake of dancing and guys, if you don't want to participate in the
mixers, don't -- please, but if you do, then give it all you got! One
guy may feel, "I don't want you to use my body," and that's okay, where
another may say, "use me, all you want, that's what I'm here for." For
me, I want to withhold judgment until I've got what Paul Harvey used to
say ".......... The rest of the story! [Man is that every dating me!]
;-)))
Many happy tangos to all
Susan
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:30:52 -0400
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Community (mixer) dances and taxi dancers and single women
>From: Susan Munoz <susanmunoz@9DOTSOLUTIONS.COM>
>Hola,
>
>It's been interesting, but not surprising that the response to the
>"mixer" question has been mostly negative. It appears that most of the
>responses have come from the male gender. The reaction to "taxi dancers"
>has also been mostly negative. Hmmm. This is somewhat
>thought-provoking, given the age-old challenge of there usually being
>more women than men.
(more good stuff....)
Hi Susan,
I'm not too strongly opinionated about the mixers or the taxi dancer
controversies. Personally, I don't care for the mixers as described because
you don't get to dance even one song with each partner, but that is just my
opinion and I certainly don't hate the idea.... The taxi dancers are OK by
me if both parties want this arrangement. Why would it be a bother to anyone
not involved in the transaction?
Anyway, you brought up some intereresting and provoking points. I think if
only couples would sign up for classes and milongas, it would probably be
less fun for anyone who prefers to dance with more than just one partner.
I've see those kinds of situations and they are definitely not as much fun
as when there are lots of single men and women in the classes or milongas.
As for the idea that women make a majority of participants to either classes
or milongas, I don't believe that's necessarily true. In my experience, I've
seen just as many classes and milongas in which women predominated or men.
Actually, I've noticed that many times there are more men than women in the
regularly scheduled classes in some communities. In milongas and when
traveling teachers are featured, women will tend to be more numerous. I
don't understand why this is so, but it I think that one of the biggest
reasons why some women might sit out in the milongas is because they have
not participated in classes or practicas so they don't know the guys who
come to dance. Sure, if there are lots more women than men, it's going to be
difficult for some women to dance a lot. That's too bad and I wish there was
a magic solution but that's unfortunately not so....
In a personal perspective, women (and men) who want to dance more could try
to socialize in the classes before the milongas. Also, it really helps if
one is a good dancer. IMHO, women who are fun to dance with (they are good
dancers), will get lots more attention and be more in demand during the
milongas. It's the same for men, but if the women outnumber the men, they
will be in demand anyway. In conclusion, I think that women could improve
their chances greatly by cultivating a social network and becoming better
dancers. This can be done more effectively by attending local scheduled
classes. It's very hard to do this at the milonga or at some special
workshop where one goes alone... I would also think that it would be good
for women who go to tango events to try and sign up with a guy. He does not
have to be your official partner or anything like that, but it certainly
will help to maintain the gender balance.....
With best regards,
Manuel
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:08:22 -0700
From: Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Community (mixer) dances and taxi dancers and single women
Hi all
About couples in tango. At our student tango club we do a lot of recruiting because our members keep graduating. It is my experience that couples often sign up for beginners classes but rarely stick around. It is obvious why. It takes a lot of dedication perseverance and hard work and coping with rejection, before you get to be halfway good as a guy. A guy with a girlfriend does a cost-benefit analysis:
- this looks pretty difficult and intimidating
- those good followers are not interested in dancing with me
- those hot girls might be interested in dancing with me, MAYBE in a year or two and after a lot of hard work ,
- but then I'll get in trouble with my girlfriend so why would I bother
- meantime I'd much rather dance with my girlfriend, I feel a lot less awkward
- but my girlfriend dances with those suave Argentine guys who are experts and make her do steps I don't even know the name of
- she probably thinks those Argentine guys are very sexy and more fun than me
- when I do manage to dance with her she gets impatient at my fumbling and wants to correct me, she'd rather dance with somebody better
- Later on tonight we'll have an argument about it.
- Can somebody tell me why should I put up with all this sh*t ??????
This is not to say couples never stick around. But there are very few. Most of our couples were singles when they started dancing.
Singles, on the other hand, see many benefits in tango.
Guys have a major incentive: getting close to girls.
Girls like to dance and be close to (some) guys.
Singles stick around long enough to get hooked for other reasons. Those have been discussed at length in this forum.
I have heard it say even that tango keeps people single. Because they don't want to give up tango and they think being in a couple cramps your tango style. Dating outside tango, huh what?? Now there's something to think about.
Tine
WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>From: Susan Munoz
>Hola,
>
>It's been interesting, but not surprising that the response to the
>"mixer" question has been mostly negative. It appears that most of the
>responses have come from the male gender. The reaction to "taxi dancers"
>has also been mostly negative. Hmmm. This is somewhat
>thought-provoking, given the age-old challenge of there usually being
>more women than men.
(more good stuff....)
Hi Susan,
I'm not too strongly opinionated about the mixers or the taxi dancer
controversies. Personally, I don't care for the mixers as described because
you don't get to dance even one song with each partner, but that is just my
opinion and I certainly don't hate the idea.... The taxi dancers are OK by
me if both parties want this arrangement. Why would it be a bother to anyone
not involved in the transaction?
Anyway, you brought up some intereresting and provoking points. I think if
only couples would sign up for classes and milongas, it would probably be
less fun for anyone who prefers to dance with more than just one partner.
I've see those kinds of situations and they are definitely not as much fun
as when there are lots of single men and women in the classes or milongas.
As for the idea that women make a majority of participants to either classes
or milongas, I don't believe that's necessarily true. In my experience, I've
seen just as many classes and milongas in which women predominated or men.
Actually, I've noticed that many times there are more men than women in the
regularly scheduled classes in some communities. In milongas and when
traveling teachers are featured, women will tend to be more numerous. I
don't understand why this is so, but it I think that one of the biggest
reasons why some women might sit out in the milongas is because they have
not participated in classes or practicas so they don't know the guys who
come to dance. Sure, if there are lots more women than men, it's going to be
difficult for some women to dance a lot. That's too bad and I wish there was
a magic solution but that's unfortunately not so....
In a personal perspective, women (and men) who want to dance more could try
to socialize in the classes before the milongas. Also, it really helps if
one is a good dancer. IMHO, women who are fun to dance with (they are good
dancers), will get lots more attention and be more in demand during the
milongas. It's the same for men, but if the women outnumber the men, they
will be in demand anyway. In conclusion, I think that women could improve
their chances greatly by cultivating a social network and becoming better
dancers. This can be done more effectively by attending local scheduled
classes. It's very hard to do this at the milonga or at some special
workshop where one goes alone... I would also think that it would be good
for women who go to tango events to try and sign up with a guy. He does not
have to be your official partner or anything like that, but it certainly
will help to maintain the gender balance.....
With best regards,
Manuel
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Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:55:54 -0700
From: ramiro garcia <ramiro9@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Community (mixer) dances and taxi dancers and single women
I have said for a long time,
"Tango is the best thing I know for relationships, and Tango is
the worst thing I know for relationships."
Good: Teaches men nonverbal communication
Bad: Stresses the relationship to the max while the couple gets
up to speed, has tango fights and jealousy issues
--- Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> Hi all
> About couples in tango. At our student tango club we do a lot
> of recruiting because our members keep graduating. It is my
> experience that couples often sign up for beginners classes
> but rarely stick around. It is obvious why. It takes a lot of
> dedication perseverance and hard work and coping with
> rejection, before you get to be halfway good as a guy. A guy
> with a girlfriend does a cost-benefit analysis:
> - this looks pretty difficult and intimidating
> - those good followers are not interested in dancing with me
> - those hot girls might be interested in dancing with me,
> MAYBE in a year or two and after a lot of hard work ,
> - but then I'll get in trouble with my girlfriend so why would
> I bother
> - meantime I'd much rather dance with my girlfriend, I feel a
> lot less awkward
> - but my girlfriend dances with those suave Argentine guys who
> are experts and make her do steps I don't even know the name
> of
> - she probably thinks those Argentine guys are very sexy and
> more fun than me
> - when I do manage to dance with her she gets impatient at my
> fumbling and wants to correct me, she'd rather dance with
> somebody better
> - Later on tonight we'll have an argument about it.
> - Can somebody tell me why should I put up with all this sh*t
> ??????
>
> This is not to say couples never stick around. But there are
> very few. Most of our couples were singles when they started
> dancing.
>
> Singles, on the other hand, see many benefits in tango.
> Guys have a major incentive: getting close to girls.
> Girls like to dance and be close to (some) guys.
> Singles stick around long enough to get hooked for other
> reasons. Those have been discussed at length in this forum.
>
> I have heard it say even that tango keeps people single.
> Because they don't want to give up tango and they think being
> in a couple cramps your tango style. Dating outside tango, huh
> what?? Now there's something to think about.
>
>
> Tine
>
>
> WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >From: Susan Munoz
>
> >Hola,
> >
> >It's been interesting, but not surprising that the response
> to the
> >"mixer" question has been mostly negative.
ramiro garcia
ramiro9@yahoo.com
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Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:34:19 -0700
From: Neeraj Korde <nkorde@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Community (mixer) dances and taxi dancers and single women
On 8/3/05, Susan Munoz <susanmunoz@9dotsolutions.com> wrote:
> Hola,
>
> To say that women who would utilize the services as a taxi dancer "...
> would never be inspired to work on themselves or their dance to the
> point where they could experience a closeness..." Or, that "these poor
> women will never have the incentive to bring their dance up to the level
> where it can be a *shared* pleasure....." seems a little -- at best --
> quick to pass judgment, and -- at worst -- unfair -- without knowing all
> of the circumstances as to why the woman is dancing with a taxi dancer..
> Susan
Talking about taxi dancers, are there any woman taxi dancers ? I heard
that even good dancers from outside BsAs have a hard time getting good
dances in BsAs where they have the cabeceo and some of the best
dancers in the world to compete with. Just wondering...
Neeraj
