1489  Great Dancers

Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 01:46:00 -0700
From: Gary Fay <gtf_ctim@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Great Dancers

Judy,

Yes we would! Jason and Gulden, in addition to
excellent dancers are wonderful people. Having known
them for six months, I can say they are excellent
instructors, dancers and generous kind people.

Gary F - RTP NC

>Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 20:56:08 -0700
>From: Judy Stockinger <judytango@YAHOO.COM>
>Subject: Re: I'm a Great Tango Dancer
>Gulden and list,
> Wow, Gulden, I impressed with the level of your
> dancing as you describe it. With all due respect I
> have to wonder if your partner(s) would
> hold the same opinion. ( The inflated egos of
> tangueros never ceases to
> amaze me! )

Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:18:46 -0700
From: Judy Stockinger <judytango@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Great Dancers

Jason and Gulden,

Congratulations on your mastery of the tango and sharing it with your community! To my knowledge I've never danced with either of you nor have I seen either of you dance. It was an honest question, I didn't mean any personal offense! It just seems to be a common phenomenon in tango to encounter leaders (and teachers!) who THINK they dance as you described, even though nothing could be further from the truth! And I thought perhaps failing to master the basic elements before adding more complicated movements might be contributing to that in some way.

Judy

Gary Fay <gtf_ctim@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
Judy,

Yes we would! Jason and Gulden, in addition to
excellent dancers are wonderful people. Having known
them for six months, I can say they are excellent
instructors, dancers and generous kind people.

Gary F - RTP NC

>Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 20:56:08 -0700
>From: Judy Stockinger
>Subject: Re: I'm a Great Tango Dancer
>Gulden and list,
> Wow, Gulden, I impressed with the level of your
> dancing as you describe it. With all due respect I
> have to wonder if your partner(s) would
> hold the same opinion. ( The inflated egos of
> tangueros never ceases to
> amaze me! )

Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:04:57 -0400
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Great Dancers

Actually, each and everyone of us can decide *for ourselves* who is and is
not a great dancer.... IMHO, anyone who cannot dance rhythmically to the
traditional dance tango music of the golden era is not a great dancer...
Please note that I said **anyone who cannot dance rhythmically**. I know
that there are great dancers who choose not to dance like that, but they
certainly can. Personally, I can make that distinction regarding women very
easily by dancing with them.

After fulfilling this prerequisite, a great dancer can of course dance in a
very beautiful way obvious to anyone observing from the outside as well as
his or her partners who are dancing with them, and naturally, to themselves
as they feel the music and interpret it with ease and grace.

Actually, I think it's fairly easy to see just by watching who is a great
dancer and who is not. Even the most simple and abbreviated close embrace
dance can be done with grace and style and right with the music and the
partner. This is very easy to observe, actually this is how the milogueros
and milongueras in such places as BAires and other well established tango
scenes decide who they will or will not dance with.....

Great dancers to all,

Manuel


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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:00:47 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Disrespect to great dancers and teachers

While giving his criticism of the CITA 2005 DVD Oleh says:

"Nito and Elba on the other

> >hand are closet ballroom dancers and should have been left in the
> >closet."

I do not know what "closet ballroom" is, I have asked Oleh to explain but I
did not receive any explanation so far. Whatever that may be, it certainly
does not look like a compliment mostly to associate the name of a great
tango dancer with the word ballroom.

Nito and Elba belong to a group of milongueros that excelled as great
dancers in the Golden era of tango. They had the rare privilege of not
living in Buenos Aires, privilege I say because that preserved their pure
salon style without the contamination of the continuous evolution and change
that tango suffers in the big city.

There are others like them like Orlando Paiva from Rosario who has his
distinctive style the same as Nito has his own. Both are examples of Salon
Dancers of the highest quality, a real present sent to our time from the
forties. Their dance is characterized by the richness of elements and by
their elegance. Both are considered to be great teachers of Salon Style.
Highly respected by the tango community all over the world. Many of the
great dancers of today took lessons from Nito, Osvaldo Zotto for example.

In my opinion for anyone to say they belong in the closet, it seems to be a
sacrilegious disrespect, and another show of egregious ignorance.

I personally thank both of these great dancers and teachers for all they
gave to the tango world and to me in particular. Thank you Nito, Thank you
Orlando.

Have a nice day, Sergio

Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 02:02:46 +0900
From: astrid <astrid@RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP>
Subject: Re: Disrespect to great dancers and teachers

Sergio wrote:

> I personally thank both of these great dancers and teachers for all they
> gave to the tango world and to me in particular. Thank you Nito, Thank

you

> Orlando.

If anybody posts a statement like "Nito and Elba.."(or any other dancer of
their format) "should have been left in the closet", just exposes his
ignorance of the tango world. Actually, Nito Garcia and Carlos Gavito were
born in the same town, grew up together, and went their separate ways later
on.
Many people know this already, but let me say this one more time: Nito and
Elba are a couple of tango teachers who are most generous and have a
nobility of heart and character that is lamentably lacking in many others.

I remember when I went to Melbourne three years ago and took private lessons
with Fabio Robles (12th place at the mundial 2005 for tango escenario) and
he told his new partner Ana (who went with him to the mundial now):"Watch
this, she is Nito-trained !"

Astrid

Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:19:24 -0400
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Disrespect to great dancers and teachers

Hola Sergio,

I was not going to rise to the bait on that one.... I'm glad you did write
though. I hated to see Nito & Elba thrashed in the tango-l...... Of all
people, Nito and Elba are not deserving of such shabby treatment. I've known
them for years now and I've never had any reason to have anything but
respect and admiration for Nito y Elba. They are very good dancers and
teachers, and most of all they are extremely decent and dignified people,
generous to a fault, loyal, etc. They are definitely the real thing and they
are respected and liked by those who know them. I still remember with
fondness the last time we were all together with you in Cleveland.. It's
been some years now but I still remember how nice, polite and generally fun
they were and still are. I guess ill words say more about the speaker than
about his target.....

Regards,

Manuel

>From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>

>
>While giving his criticism of the CITA 2005 DVD Oleh says:
>
>"Nito and Elba on the other
>> >hand are closet ballroom dancers and should have been left in the
>> >closet."
>
>I do not know what "closet ballroom" is, I have asked Oleh to explain but I
>did not receive any explanation so far. Whatever that may be, it certainly
>does not look like a compliment mostly to associate the name of a great
>tango dancer with the word ballroom.
>
>Nito and Elba belong to a group of milongueros that excelled as great
>dancers in the Golden era of tango. They had the rare privilege of not
>living in Buenos Aires, privilege I say because that preserved their pure
>salon style without the contamination of the continuous evolution and
>change
>that tango suffers in the big city.
>
>There are others like them like Orlando Paiva from Rosario who has his
>distinctive style the same as Nito has his own. Both are examples of Salon
>Dancers of the highest quality, a real present sent to our time from the
>forties. Their dance is characterized by the richness of elements and by
>their elegance. Both are considered to be great teachers of Salon Style.
>Highly respected by the tango community all over the world. Many of the
>great dancers of today took lessons from Nito, Osvaldo Zotto for example.
>
>In my opinion for anyone to say they belong in the closet, it seems to be a
>sacrilegious disrespect, and another show of egregious ignorance.
>
>I personally thank both of these great dancers and teachers for all they
>gave to the tango world and to me in particular. Thank you Nito, Thank you
>Orlando.
>
>Have a nice day, Sergio
>

Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:43:02 -0600
From: Oleh Kovalchuke <tangospring@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Disrespect to great dancers and teachers

Manuel wrote:

"They are very good dancers and teachers, and most of all they are
extremely decent and dignified people, generous to a fault, loyal,
etc."

Curiously "stately" and "dignified" are also the words I would use to
describe Nito and Elba style (goes to illustrate that you dance who
you are). However it is hardly flattering description as far as
dancing is concerned.

Cheers, Oleh Kovalchuke, revealling another bit about myself
https://TangoSpring.com



On 9/30/05, WHITE 95 R <white95r@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hola Sergio,
>
> I was not going to rise to the bait on that one.... I'm glad you did write
> though. I hated to see Nito & Elba thrashed in the tango-l...... Of all
> people, Nito and Elba are not deserving of such shabby treatment. I've known
> them for years now and I've never had any reason to have anything but
> respect and admiration for Nito y Elba. They are very good dancers and
> teachers, and most of all they are extremely decent and dignified people,
> generous to a fault, loyal, etc. They are definitely the real thing and they
> are respected and liked by those who know them. I still remember with
> fondness the last time we were all together with you in Cleveland.. It's
> been some years now but I still remember how nice, polite and generally fun
> they were and still are. I guess ill words say more about the speaker than
> about his target.....
>
> Regards,
>
> Manuel
>
>
>
> >From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>
>
> >
> >While giving his criticism of the CITA 2005 DVD Oleh says:
> >
> >"Nito and Elba on the other
> >> >hand are closet ballroom dancers and should have been left in the
> >> >closet."
> >
> >I do not know what "closet ballroom" is, I have asked Oleh to explain but I
> >did not receive any explanation so far. Whatever that may be, it certainly
> >does not look like a compliment mostly to associate the name of a great
> >tango dancer with the word ballroom.
> >
> >Nito and Elba belong to a group of milongueros that excelled as great
> >dancers in the Golden era of tango. They had the rare privilege of not
> >living in Buenos Aires, privilege I say because that preserved their pure
> >salon style without the contamination of the continuous evolution and
> >change
> >that tango suffers in the big city.
> >
> >There are others like them like Orlando Paiva from Rosario who has his
> >distinctive style the same as Nito has his own. Both are examples of Salon
> >Dancers of the highest quality, a real present sent to our time from the
> >forties. Their dance is characterized by the richness of elements and by
> >their elegance. Both are considered to be great teachers of Salon Style.
> >Highly respected by the tango community all over the world. Many of the
> >great dancers of today took lessons from Nito, Osvaldo Zotto for example.
> >
> >In my opinion for anyone to say they belong in the closet, it seems to be a
> >sacrilegious disrespect, and another show of egregious ignorance.
> >
> >I personally thank both of these great dancers and teachers for all they
> >gave to the tango world and to me in particular. Thank you Nito, Thank you
> >Orlando.
> >
> >Have a nice day, Sergio
> >
>