3039 Homenaje to Osvaldo Pugliese
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 23:59:11 -0300
From: Janis Kenyon <jantango@FEEDBACK.NET.AR>
Subject: Homenaje to Osvaldo Pugliese
A tribute to Pugliese was held this evening to mark the 100th anniversary of
his birth. A grand hall in the Casa de Legislatura at Peru 160 was a
spectacular setting for this evening of music honoring the work of Don
Osvaldo. It was an experience just to be in this luxurious salon with grand
columns and countless crystal chandeliers.
Two speakers related their personal experiences with Don Osvaldo. Lisandro
Adrover and his ensemble performed followed by Beba Pugliese and her
orchestra. They played at least a dozen compositions and the audience
demanded an encore of "La Yumba."
I noticed that the first violinist played the entire concert without sheet
music. After many concerts, he probably has it memorized, yet it is unusual
for only one musician to stare at the ceiling while others have their eyes
glued to the music. I chatted with the string bass player afterwards who
told me that perhaps the violinist feels more playing without reading the
music. That I could accept. Then I had to ask the violinist personally. He
told me he has it memorized since he's played in Beba Pugliese's orchestra
for ten years. He's no more than 30 years old. After he left the building,
I struck up a conversation with someone who attended the concert. This man
told me that the violinist had played in Osvaldo Pugliese's orchestra for a
few years when he was a teenager, so he has been playing the music of
Pugliese for about 15 years.
Someone who had attended Pugliese's concert at Teatro Colon in 1985 told me
that he's never seen anything like what we witnessed tonight. I've only
heard the recording of the Teatro Colon concert. Even tonight, the audience
couldn't wait for the ending of each piece to applaud Bebe and her
orchestra. They received a standing ovation. I was glad to witness this
special occasion.
The city's tango radio station "2x4" is circulating petitions to change the
name of the Malabia subway station to Osvaldo Pugliese.
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 09:00:29 -0600
From: Hector <maselli@GATE.NET>
Subject: Re. Homenaje to Osvaldo Pugliese
On Dec 14, 2004, at 2:00 AM, jantango@FEEDBACK.NET.AR wrote:
>I noticed that the first violinist played the entire concert without sheet
>music.
>I chatted with the string bass player afterwards who
>told me that perhaps the violinist feels more playing without reading the
>music.
>I struck up a conversation with someone who attended the concert. This man
>told me that the violinist had played in Osvaldo Pugliese's orchestra for a
>few years when he was a teenager, so he has been playing the music of
>Pugliese for about 15 years.
Please, when you are done talking about you, could you tell us the name of the violin player?
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:24:30 +0000
From: Rick Jones <rwjones2001@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Re. Homenaje to Osvaldo Pugliese
>>
>>Please, when you are done talking about you, could you tell us the name of
>>the violin player?
>>
When watching tango, one is often struck by the elegance of the dance, and
one imagines that tango dancers might constitute a separate universe of
people. People of gentle manners and refined behaviors.
And then one joins Tango-L, and is rudely awakened -- by posts like the one
above -- to the fact that many tango dancers are actually people of
extraordinary rudeness and coarseness.
I belong to a number of Internet communities, many of which -- such as
financial communities and political communities -- revolve around topics
where bickering, name calling, and personal attacks are to be expected. But
on none of them do I see the level of pettines and mean-spiritedness that I
see on this ListServe on such a regular basis.
Just a personal observation.
Rick Jones
Washington DC
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:54:26 +0000
From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Re. Homenaje to Osvaldo Pugliese
Thank you Rick, for a well-stated observation. I share your dislike and
sadnass at the rudeness and personal attacks. Once before I suggested that
everyone who posts to the list who feels a need to say something attacking
another poster, that they do it in a private email rather than on the public
list.
J in Portland
----Original Message Follows----
From: Rick Jones <rwjones2001@HOTMAIL.COM>
Reply-To: rwjones@ieee.org
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Re. Homenaje to Osvaldo Pugliese
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:11:38 -0800
From: John Sims <jwsims@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Re. Homenaje to Osvaldo Pugliese
Hear hear Rick
Hector wrote:
Please, when you are done talking about you, could you tell us the name of
the violin player?
Rick responded:
....... And then one joins Tango-L, and is rudely awakened -- by posts
like the one above -- to the fact that many tango dancers are actually
people of extraordinary rudeness and coarseness. ....... But on none of
them do I see the level of pettines and mean-spiritedness that I see on
this ListServe on such a regular basis.
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:15:26 -0800
From: Elemer Dubrovay <dubrovay@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: Re. Homenaje to Osvaldo Pugliese
Please remember the origins of Tango, from the 1860s to the 1950s, most
of the Tango dancers where kind of uneducated from low class prole
barrios.
Many carried knifes and where ready to fight at the smallest argument and
did not have the time to attend the school .
It is nice to know that there are some Internet representatives from
those times, not gentle or refined; Reminds me of the dancing in dirt
floor and the lady that was spraying water in the dancing area to keep
the dust down.
This fights with knifes or E-Mails give a special flavor to the Tango,
bringing back the basic instinct.
Elemer in Redmond.
*****
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:24:30 +0000 Rick Jones <rwjones2001@HOTMAIL.COM>
writes:
> >>
> >>Please, when you are done talking about you, could you tell us the
> name of
> >>the violin player?
> >>
>
> When watching tango, one is often struck by the elegance of the
> dance, and
> one imagines that tango dancers might constitute a separate universe
> of
> people. People of gentle manners and refined behaviors.
>
> And then one joins Tango-L, and is rudely awakened -- by posts like
> the one
> above -- to the fact that many tango dancers are actually people of
> extraordinary rudeness and coarseness.
>
> I belong to a number of Internet communities, many of which -- such
> as
> financial communities and political communities -- revolve around
> topics
> where bickering, name calling, and personal attacks are to be
> expected. But
> on none of them do I see the level of pettiness and mean-spiritedness
> that I
> see on this ListServe on such a regular basis.
>
> Just a personal observation.
>
> Rick Jones
> Washington DC
>
> to
> LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
>
>
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:16:12 +1100
From: Roger <rde@QDOS.NET.AU>
Subject: Re: Re. Homenaje to Osvaldo Pugliese
Rick Jones wrote:
> I belong to a number of Internet communities, many of which -- such as
> financial communities and political communities -- revolve around topics
> where bickering, name calling, and personal attacks are to be expected. But
> on none of them do I see the level of pettines and mean-spiritedness that I
> see on this ListServe on such a regular basis.
I have for some time been intending to make such an observation. I
belong to two list servers - the tango-L one (populated, one expects, by
the touchie-feely - those who who connect with their partner, feel at
one with the music, live to dance, etc...) - and a motorcycling one
(motorcyclist (n): shaven head, tattoos, attitude problem, will rape
your dog and abduct your wife...)
I've been astounded at the vitriol and go-for-jugular attitude seen so
often on tango-L.
I've also been pleasantly surprised at the good manners, helpful
attitude and all round good will seen on the motorcycling list.
Thus far, I have seen polite motorcycling debates, but tango
observations about your mother's morals and probable lack of cleanliness
of your underware; offers of help with motorcycle problems, but spitting
fury and denigration about seemingly trivial tango questions.
Life is full of little suprises?
And just to save time and bandwidth - my dog's already pregnant, my
mother has recently been canonised, and I'm much too shy to tell you
about my garter/suspender belt situation.
rde
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:41:43 +0100
From: SOSA IUDICISSA Marcelo <MSosa@EUROPARL.EU.INT>
Subject: Re: Re. Homenaje to Osvaldo Pugliese
It's good that -at least with the present technology- the spitting can't reach us...
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 15 December 2004 02:15
To: TANGO-L@mitvma.mit.edu
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Re. Homenaje to Osvaldo Pugliese
Please remember the origins of Tango, from the 1860s to the 1950s, most of the Tango dancers where kind of uneducated from low class prole =
barrios. Many carried knifes and where ready to fight at the smallest argument and did not have the time to attend the school . It is nice to =
know that there are some Internet representatives from those times, not gentle or refined; Reminds me of the dancing in dirt floor and the lady =
that was spraying water in the dancing area to keep the dust down. This fights with knifes or E-Mails give a special flavor to the Tango, =
bringing back the basic instinct.
Elemer in Redmond.
*****
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:24:30 +0000 Rick Jones <rwjones2001@HOTMAIL.COM>
writes:
> >>
> >>Please, when you are done talking about you, could you tell us the
> name of
> >>the violin player?
> >>
>
> When watching tango, one is often struck by the elegance of the dance,
> and one imagines that tango dancers might constitute a separate
> universe of
> people. People of gentle manners and refined behaviors.
>
> And then one joins Tango-L, and is rudely awakened -- by posts like
> the one above -- to the fact that many tango dancers are actually
> people of extraordinary rudeness and coarseness.
>
> I belong to a number of Internet communities, many of which -- such as
> financial communities and political communities -- revolve around
> topics
> where bickering, name calling, and personal attacks are to be
> expected. But
> on none of them do I see the level of pettiness and mean-spiritedness
> that I
> see on this ListServe on such a regular basis.
>
> Just a personal observation.
>
> Rick Jones
> Washington DC
>
> -
> to
> LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
>
>
>
"subscribe Tango-A Firstname Lastname" to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:08:39 -0500
From: Michael <tangomaniac@CAVTEL.NET>
Subject: Re: Re. Homenaje to Osvaldo Pugliese
Roger:
You really shouldn't be surprised. Tango brings the innermost feelings to the surface. How you deal with life affects how you dance. How you =
act off the dance floor is how you dance on the floor. If little things upset you off the dance floor, this person is going to get upset when =
something goes wrong on the dance floor. If you have no confidence off the floor, you're convinced that every mistake that happens on the floor =
is your fault. I've danced with a lot of women who are convinced every error was their fault when the truth is most of the time my lead was off =
for some reason, e.g. not enough rotation in shoulders, my right arm went loose and she drifted away, etc. (I've learned the very hard way =
that a woman cannot follow what a man cannot lead.) However, it was their fault if they were so stiff they blocked themselves from moving. =
Some people have a need to be right, at all costs. At all costs means an attack on a position contrary to their own. I belonged to a New York =
City transit discussion board. The fighting got so bad (accusations of racism, threats of physical violence), the website owner shut down the =
boards (one for subway and the other for busses).
Then we have the issue of egos. Some people have egos so large they should pay double the admission fee at milongas. These are the people =
who think, that for $10, they bought the dance floor and don't have to pay attention to others. They are notorious for ignoring traffic =
patterns and sometimes, even their partners. These leaders look like snowplows and these followers look like runaway tops spinning out of =
control on the floor with high boleos.
Tango is a very passionate dance which brings passion to the surface. Some can control their passion, while others can't.
What's really regretful, is that it's only a few people who make it difficult for others to enjoy this list.
Michael
Washington, DC
Home sick with a stomach virus
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Re. Homenaje to Osvaldo Pugliese
Rick Jones wrote:
> I belong to a number of Internet communities, many of which -- such as > financial communities and political communities -- revolve around =
topics > where bickering, name calling, and personal attacks are to be expected. But > on none of them do I see the level of pettines and =
mean-spiritedness that I > see on this ListServe on such a regular basis.
rde
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 12:33:29 -0600
From: susan_munoz@SBCGLOBAL.NET
Subject: Re: Re. Homenaje to Osvaldo Pugliese
Rde wrote:
"Life is full of little suprises? ....And just to save time and
bandwidth - my dog's already pregnant, my mother has recently been
canonised, and I'm much too shy to tell you about my garter/suspender
belt situation."
How funny!! Humor often has a way of putting things in proper
perspective.
I've been dancing tango 3-1/2 years so there's more that I don't know
than what I "think" I do know. A tanguera (sisterhood) recommended that
I subscribe to Tango-L. My expectation was that I had an opportunity to
be part of a community with all these wonderful, loving, gentle tango
people (sweeping generalization, I know). Like Rde, I was astounded at
what I have read on this list -- yet, over all, I've learned a lot,
laughed a lot (to the point of tears), reconnected with a prior tanguero
friend in another state which also led to new friends and feel that I'm
part of a world where most are still very special people that are
unbelievably passionate about this dance, it's history, the beautiful
argentine culture and it's people, and I'm also reminded how biases get
in our way of learning and how most of us can occasionally behave when
challenged or act under pressure (human nature). I've also found that
if I respond to someone privately, particularly with a question, whether
to clarify or learn, they are quick to respond and willing to help. So,
for me, this forum has been what tango is: a sea of emotions able to be
expressed in a venue that is appropriate.
Happy and safe holidays to all.
Susan
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:59:25 -0500
From: Floyd Baker <febaker@OLM1.COM>
Subject: Re: Re. Homenaje to Osvaldo Pugliese
I have similar 'acceptance' feelings...
Actually I'm in tune with both sides equally and accept both easily...
I thought the 'separate universe' description was perfect as to what
tango is and what it causes to happen within the dancers...
But I've come to 'like' the other side too. When I was first on
this list 8 or so years ago, I was completely awed by the vehemence of
the flames. It has most certainly been going on since day one. The
lights went on one day that the 'why' of it was exactly as you have
stated below. That it is this particular temperament that makes this
tango happen. Otherwise we'd be dancing American style....
Floyd
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:15:26 -0800, you wrote:
>Please remember the origins of Tango, from the 1860s to the 1950s, most
>of the Tango dancers where kind of uneducated from low class prole
>barrios.
>Many carried knifes and where ready to fight at the smallest argument and
>did not have the time to attend the school .
>It is nice to know that there are some Internet representatives from
>those times, not gentle or refined; Reminds me of the dancing in dirt
>floor and the lady that was spraying water in the dancing area to keep
>the dust down.
> This fights with knifes or E-Mails give a special flavor to the Tango,
>bringing back the basic instinct.
>
>Elemer in Redmond.
*
>
>On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:24:30 +0000 Rick Jones <rwjones2001@HOTMAIL.COM>
>writes:
>> >>
>> >>Please, when you are done talking about you, could you tell us the
>> name of
>> >>the violin player?
>> >>
>>
>> When watching tango, one is often struck by the elegance of the
>> dance, and one imagines that tango dancers might constitute a
>> separate universe of people. People of gentle manners and refined
>> behaviors.
>>
>> And then one joins Tango-L, and is rudely awakened -- by posts like
>> the one above -- to the fact that many tango dancers are actually people of
>> extraordinary rudeness and coarseness.
>>
>> I belong to a number of Internet communities, many of which -- such
>> as
>> financial communities and political communities -- revolve around
>> topics
>> where bickering, name calling, and personal attacks are to be
>> expected. But
>> on none of them do I see the level of pettiness and mean-spiritedness
>> that I
>> see on this ListServe on such a regular basis.
>>
>> Just a personal observation.
>>
>> Rick Jones
>> Washington DC
>>
>>
>> to
>> LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
>>
>>
>>
>
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