2515  Milonga behavior

Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:57:56 -0400
From: Ilene Marder <imhmedia@ULSTER.NET>
Subject: Milonga behavior

Re; Behavior at milongas---
I've been running a milonga which has no obvious oafish or otherwise
inappropriate behavior.
However, we've had one couple come in whose husband is tall & rather
large - he towers over everyone- and likes to take off his shirt to
dance in a rather, skimpy tee shirt. Their dancing is very energenic,
and he tends to sweat profusely...they do occassionally bump into people
(small dance floor) and some people have complained about the messy
physical contact!! ...since the milonga that night was at a high-end
restaurant, the management asked me to ask him to put his shirt on. I
did that with as much friendly finesse as possible. Needless to say, he
was somewhat dismayed (they left) but didn't hold it against me. He
wants to come to the next milonga at a less fancy place, where I am
sure, he will again take off his shirt (he says the women dance in
skimpy tank tops, why can't he???)
Any suggestions as to how to keep everyone happy???
thanks,
Ilene

Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:08:07 GMT
From: tangomaniac@JUNO.COM
Subject: Re: Milonga behavior

Ilene:
I suggest you modify a sign I've seen in restaurants: "No shirt, no service" to "No shirt, no dancing." As for his comment about women in skimpy tank tops. HMMM! I've got it. That's part of the allure of tango. There's NOTHING alluring about him in a T shirt. If that doesn't work, have somebody impersonate a health inspector-- and give him summons!! LOL

In a quote attributed to Lincoln "You can't please ALL the people ALL the time." So don't try

Michael
Washington, DC
Hoping no man wears a T shirt at the NY Tango Festival July 22-25

I'd rather be dancing argentine tango

-- Ilene Marder <imhmedia@ULSTER.NET> wrote:
Re; Behavior at milongas---
He wants to come to the next milonga at a less fancy place, where I am
sure, he will again take off his shirt (he says the women dance in
skimpy tank tops, why can't he???) Any suggestions as to how to keep everyone happy???
thanks,
Ilene

Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:23:58 -0400
From: jhapark@PENNSWOODS.NET
Subject: Re: Milonga behavior

Anybody have problems with the behavior of students during classes?
J

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:57 PM
Subject: [TANGO-L] Milonga behavior

> Re; Behavior at milongas---
> I've been running a milonga which has no obvious oafish or otherwise
> inappropriate behavior.
> However, we've had one couple come in whose husband is tall & rather
> large - he towers over everyone- and likes to take off his shirt to
> dance in a rather, skimpy tee shirt. Their dancing is very energenic,
> and he tends to sweat profusely...they do occassionally bump into people
> (small dance floor) and some people have complained about the messy
> physical contact!! ...since the milonga that night was at a high-end
> restaurant, the management asked me to ask him to put his shirt on. I
> did that with as much friendly finesse as possible. Needless to say, he
> was somewhat dismayed (they left) but didn't hold it against me. He
> wants to come to the next milonga at a less fancy place, where I am
> sure, he will again take off his shirt (he says the women dance in
> skimpy tank tops, why can't he???)
> Any suggestions as to how to keep everyone happy???
> thanks,
> Ilene

Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:55:45 -0700
From: John Tice <canaro99@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Milonga behavior

Tell him it's okay if:

He shaves his legs.
Wears 4" heels.
Has no gut hanging over his belt.
Carries (and uses) a towel to dry off between dances.
And feels good about being inconsiderate and boorish.

:-)



jhapark@PENNSWOODS.NET wrote:
Anybody have problems with the behavior of students during classes?
J

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ilene Marder"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:57 PM
Subject: [TANGO-L] Milonga behavior

> Re; Behavior at milongas---
> I've been running a milonga which has no obvious oafish or otherwise
> inappropriate behavior.
> However, we've had one couple come in whose husband is tall & rather
> large - he towers over everyone- and likes to take off his shirt to
> dance in a rather, skimpy tee shirt. Their dancing is very energenic,
> and he tends to sweat profusely...they do occassionally bump into people
> (small dance floor) and some people have complained about the messy
> physical contact!! ...since the milonga that night was at a high-end
> restaurant, the management asked me to ask him to put his shirt on. I
> did that with as much friendly finesse as possible. Needless to say, he
> was somewhat dismayed (they left) but didn't hold it against me. He
> wants to come to the next milonga at a less fancy place, where I am
> sure, he will again take off his shirt (he says the women dance in
> skimpy tank tops, why can't he???)
> Any suggestions as to how to keep everyone happy???
> thanks,
> Ilene

Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:37:18 -0700
From: Michael Ealem <ph03n1x@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: Milonga behavior

>However, we've had one couple come in whose husband is tall & rather

l>arge - he towers over everyone- and likes to take off his shirt to

>dance in a rather, skimpy tee shirt. Their dancing is very energenic,
>and he tends to sweat profusely...they do occassionally bump into people
>(small dance floor) and some people have complained about the messy
>physical contact!! ...since the milonga that night was at a high-end
>restaurant, the management asked me to ask him to put his shirt on. I
>did that with as much friendly finesse as possible. Needless to say, he
>was somewhat dismayed (they left) but didn't hold it against me. He
>wants to come to the next milonga at a less fancy place, where I am
>sure, he will again take off his shirt (he says the women dance in
>skimpy tank tops, why can't he???)
>Any suggestions as to how to keep everyone happy???
>thanks,
>Ilene

Easy solution - send him to an REI store or the Travelsmith web page and buy some nice black T-Shirts (or even button-down dress shirts) made with CoolMax or one of the other materials that wick away sweat and dry very quickly. Have him bring along a couple of them, just in case. It's what I do - I have CoolMax EVERYTHING for dancing (except shoes!).

Technology to the rescue!

Michael
Tango Bellingham

Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:52:05 -0700
From: Ricardo Tanturi <tanturi999@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Milonga behavior

I'm a little surprised at the replies to this, which haven't seemed
very helpful.

My suggestion for this and other behavior problems, is for the milonga
organizer to distribute a brief list of expected rules of etiquette,
including a dress code, which can be fairly brief but general.

This would avoid singling out the individual or his T-shirt, at least
initially. If the rules are violated, the organizer needs to
enforce them tactfully. But then the organizer is in the position
of requesting compliance with a reasonable set of rules, rather than
picking on some individual. I think it is the right of the organizer
to set the rules, but try to make it clear that the rules are for the
benefit of everyone, and hopefully they express some consensus of the
community (at least at that particular milonga).

In this case, if the guy objects and protests his "right" to dance in
a T-shirt, you can say "Well, talk to some other people about it, and
if enough people ask me to change this rule, I can change it." Maybe
then he'll understand that he is offending other people.

(Personally, I think he has a good point about the women in tank tops,
and if the poor guy is sweating in a T-shirt, he's going to be
sweating even more with a shirt over it. By the way, in my opinion
some T-shirts would be OK for milongas (although I don't wear them
myself), but you say this guy is "taking off his shirt". That might
imply that the skimpy T-shirt is an undergarment, and dancing tango
in public in one's underwear seems clearly inappropriate.)

"Ricardo"

--- Ilene Marder <imhmedia@ULSTER.NET> wrote:

> Re; Behavior at milongas---
> I've been running a milonga which has no obvious oafish or otherwise
> inappropriate behavior.
> However, we've had one couple come in whose husband is tall & rather
> large - he towers over everyone- and likes to take off his shirt to
> dance in a rather, skimpy tee shirt. Their dancing is very energenic,
> and he tends to sweat profusely...they do occassionally bump into people
> (small dance floor) and some people have complained about the messy
> physical contact!! ...since the milonga that night was at a high-end
> restaurant, the management asked me to ask him to put his shirt on. I
> did that with as much friendly finesse as possible. Needless to say, he
> was somewhat dismayed (they left) but didn't hold it against me. He
> wants to come to the next milonga at a less fancy place, where I am
> sure, he will again take off his shirt (he says the women dance in
> skimpy tank tops, why can't he???)
> Any suggestions as to how to keep everyone happy???
> thanks,
> Ilene
>

Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:58:29 -0700
From: Razor Girl <dilettante666@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Milonga behavior

Forgive me if I have shared this story before. But
this taught me a lot about how the Argentineans view
accepting/rejecting a dance with someone.

When in Buenos Aires I was at El Beso my first night.
I came across a woman also from my home town who
before I travelled I did not know what in BsAs. She
invited me to sit at her table.

Sometime during the evening while we were talking she
noticed a man trying to catch her eye. She looked at
him, he motioned with his head towards the dance floor
and she motioned with her arms for him to come over.
She had been in BsAs several weeks at this point and
it became clear as he approached our table that they
had met before. He said "Remember this song, when we
danced...." She said "Yes, how lovely" and continued
talking to me. He waited for her not quite sure how
to respond. I felt uncomfortable talking to her
because he was standing there waiting for her to
dance. He finally said "So, will you dance with me"
and she said "Yes, yes, but I want to finish this
conversation" and continued telling me the story she
was telling. Then he said "When the music is over,
the dance is gone" and she smiled at him. She said
"This is my friend Rose, she is a wonderful dancer"
and then he sat down next to her and said "I need to
teach you something about the milonga. It is the
choice of each person whom they will dance with. It is
a very personal thing. You do not suggest that one
dance with someone else. It is up to her to decide to
dance with me, and up to me to decide to dance with
her. Now you have put us in an awkward situation."
and she said "I know, I know, I should have known
better, I'm sorry" and then he turned to me and said
"No, I am sorry" and he left.

I told her that I did not appreciate what she had done
to me and I thought it very rude of her to invite him
to the table if she didn't intend on dancing with him.

This experience might have played out very differently
if we were in the states.

Regards,
Rose
Portland, OR

Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:52:51 -0500
From: Zarlengo <zarlengo@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Re: Milonga behavior

Other cultures speak and act very rudely according to polite North
Americans. I have been treated rudely in many other cultures and also
very politely. We North Amerians come across very nicely in some
areas and usually come across as arrogant and know-it-all to many
other cultures.

After living with other cultures for years including in their
countries, I have to admit it can be difficulty and a pleasure. But
most Ex-Pats I know are more educated in a much larger spectrum of
knowledge with greater depth, and intense thinking patterns than the
majority of people I have known very well and do care about and do
respect.

They say our schools are inferior and theirs are better. I ask you
what relatively small country (the USA) has the most Noble prize
winners? You can disagree with US politics - which I do - but the US
is the most powerful nation to ever walk the face of the earth. This
came from individuals of all sorts of backgrounds, but they are North
Americans. They have been asked several times to step in and save the
lives of millions of people - and you may also disagree that we did.
But the survivors of those countries even in Japan after the nuclear
bomb were happy to see their govt go!

Being humble and polite is my policy, but in many cultures this is
seen as a weakness to take advantage of you. This is my experience
and the many Ex-Pats that I know.

I do love the Tango and many other dances. I have been lucky to have
danced with some of the BEST in the world - even though I have a lot
to learn.

Dr. Zarlengo

>Forgive me if I have shared this story before. But
>this taught me a lot about how the Argentineans view
>accepting/rejecting a dance with someone.
>
>When in Buenos Aires I was at El Beso my first night.
>I came across a woman also from my home town who
>before I travelled I did not know what in BsAs. She
>invited me to sit at her table.
>
>Sometime during the evening while we were talking she
>noticed a man trying to catch her eye. She looked at
>him, he motioned with his head towards the dance floor
>and she motioned with her arms for him to come over.
>She had been in BsAs several weeks at this point and
>it became clear as he approached our table that they
>had met before. He said "Remember this song, when we
>danced...." She said "Yes, how lovely" and continued
>talking to me. He waited for her not quite sure how
>to respond. I felt uncomfortable talking to her
>because he was standing there waiting for her to
>dance. He finally said "So, will you dance with me"
>and she said "Yes, yes, but I want to finish this
>conversation" and continued telling me the story she
>was telling. Then he said "When the music is over,
>the dance is gone" and she smiled at him. She said
>"This is my friend Rose, she is a wonderful dancer"
>and then he sat down next to her and said "I need to
>teach you something about the milonga. It is the
>choice of each person whom they will dance with. It is
>a very personal thing. You do not suggest that one
>dance with someone else. It is up to her to decide to
>dance with me, and up to me to decide to dance with
>her. Now you have put us in an awkward situation."
>and she said "I know, I know, I should have known
>better, I'm sorry" and then he turned to me and said
>"No, I am sorry" and he left.
>
>I told her that I did not appreciate what she had done
>to me and I thought it very rude of her to invite him
>to the table if she didn't intend on dancing with him.
>
>This experience might have played out very differently
>if we were in the states.
>
>Regards,
>Rose
>Portland, OR

Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:52:05 -0700
From: Kos.Zahariev@EC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: Milonga behavior

Zarlengo wrote:

>They say our schools are inferior and theirs are better. I ask you

I am pretty sure "they" are talking about elementary schools and high schools
only. That is the only context I have heard a claim like that in, and it also
corresponds to my own experience.

>what relatively small country (the USA) has the most Noble prize
>winners?

You set up a strawman and then demolish it. "They" are not claiming that US
higher education (undergrad and graduate) is inferior - their point is about
the schooling up to grade 12. It is the undergraduate and especially graduate
education that is important for the environment that may result in a lot of
Nobel prize quality work, as well as having a lot of money to invest and
support research. And what does that have to do with anything about tango and
the post your are replying to?

>You can disagree with US politics - which I do - but the US
>is the most powerful nation to ever walk the face of the earth. This
>came from individuals of all sorts of backgrounds, but they are North
>Americans. They have been asked several times to step in and save the
>lives of millions of people - and you may also disagree that we did.
>But the survivors of those countries even in Japan after the nuclear
>bomb were happy to see their govt go!

Sheesh, what an interesting rant. I read the post that seemingly resulted in
this rant, and I can't see how this rant is not an extreme over-reaction. I am
baffled as to why you imply that the american woman's behaviour in an
Argentine milonga is excusable since her country went "nu-ku-lar" on
Japan 60 years ago and someone was grateful (to take the more egregious
example).

Somehow I do not think that you would find a lot of cheerleaders for your post,
especially given the current misdeeds and excesses of the Bush
administration. In retrospect, maybe pushing the greatness of US foreign
policy amd military adventures in people's faces to make them accept an
american's rudeness in a foreign land was not the best argument ever to make
:-)

Cheers!
Konstantin

Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:01:07 -0700
From: Huck Kennedy <huck@ENSMTP1.EAS.ASU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Milonga behavior

Portland Rose relates yet another great story and quotes
a milonguero:

> "I need to teach you something about the milonga. It
> is the choice of each person whom they will dance with.
> It is a very personal thing. You do not suggest that one
> dance with someone else. It is up to her to decide to
> dance with me, and up to me to decide to dance with
> her."

Wow. Wouldn't you just love to tatoo *that* on
more than a few self-proclaimed Official Milonga Social
Engineers' foreheads the next time they grab you, shove
someone in your face, and say, "This is so-and-so, you
simply *must* dance with [him or her]."

> This experience might have played out very differently
> if we were in the States.

Indeed. The gentleman no doubt would be labelled
"inconsiderate" and "rude" and "selfish" simply for
wanting to reserve to himself the very personal choice
of whom he wants to ask to dance, and doesn't feel it
is his (or anyone else's) responsibility to ensure that
Everyone At The Milonga Has A Good Time.

Often the line used is, "My friend sitting over
there hasn't had a dance in a long while, I think you
should dance with her." Perhaps one day I will have one
wine too many and reply, "Well my friend over there
hasn't had sex in a long time, I think you should take
him to bed with you."

Huck

Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:32:53 -0700
From: Razor Girl <dilettante666@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Milonga behavior

I'm sorry but I don't see any correlation between what
I posted and what you replied.

My intent was to offer an example of an incident that
allowed me some valued insight into the culture of the
MILONGA. Upon further thought, I believe the
situation had the propensity to be interpreted the
same in either Argentina or the US and doesn't much
have to do with that.

My real observation was that she justified her actions
to me by saying that she was only trying to be
friendly and has often introduced friends of hers to
new partners she has danced with in the past and
thought of it as a friendly courtesy. What she had
failed to observe is that the gentleman was asking her
to dance, not asking her may he come over to her table
and sit while she talked with a female friend. That
is the part that I would consider rude in either
culture. But she also insulted him and me by
suggesting the pairing.

So the real issue, and what made me think of it is
that when people talk about why people decline dances
it all boils down to personal choice. As the
Argentinean gentleman in my story said, it is a very
personal thing. The question could equally be
proposed: why does one choose to ask a person to
dance? The reasons could be numerous and varied. But
when someone asks me to dance I do not stop to
consider why - maybe he thinks I am a good dancer,
maybe he likes my dress, maybe he is attracted to me,
maybe his friend said he should ask me, maybe he wants
to take me for a "test drive", maybe he wants to sleep
with me. But the fact is that it doesn't matter. I
either accept or decline based on my own preference
and reasons.

When I tango, I give of myself freely. I share
everything I have in that moment with that person and
don't hold back. I choose my parters based on my
desire to do this.

Regards,
Rose
Portland, OR


--- Zarlengo <zarlengo@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:

> Other cultures speak and act very rudely according
> to polite North
> Americans. I have been treated rudely in many other
> cultures and also
> very politely. We North Amerians come across very
> nicely in some
> areas and usually come across as arrogant and
> know-it-all to many
> other cultures.
>
> After living with other cultures for years including
> in their
> countries, I have to admit it can be difficulty and
> a pleasure. But
> most Ex-Pats I know are more educated in a much
> larger spectrum of
> knowledge with greater depth, and intense thinking
> patterns than the
> majority of people I have known very well and do
> care about and do
> respect.
>
> They say our schools are inferior and theirs are
> better. I ask you
> what relatively small country (the USA) has the most
> Noble prize
> winners? You can disagree with US politics - which I
> do - but the US
> is the most powerful nation to ever walk the face of
> the earth. This
> came from individuals of all sorts of backgrounds,
> but they are North
> Americans. They have been asked several times to
> step in and save the
> lives of millions of people - and you may also
> disagree that we did.
> But the survivors of those countries even in Japan
> after the nuclear
> bomb were happy to see their govt go!
>
> Being humble and polite is my policy, but in many
> cultures this is
> seen as a weakness to take advantage of you. This is
> my experience
> and the many Ex-Pats that I know.
>
> I do love the Tango and many other dances. I have
> been lucky to have
> danced with some of the BEST in the world - even
> though I have a lot
> to learn.
>
> Dr. Zarlengo
>
>
> >Forgive me if I have shared this story before. But
> >this taught me a lot about how the Argentineans
> view
> >accepting/rejecting a dance with someone.
> >
> >When in Buenos Aires I was at El Beso my first
> night.
> >I came across a woman also from my home town who
> >before I travelled I did not know what in BsAs.
> She
> >invited me to sit at her table.
> >
> >Sometime during the evening while we were talking
> she
> >noticed a man trying to catch her eye. She looked
> at
> >him, he motioned with his head towards the dance
> floor
> >and she motioned with her arms for him to come
> over.
> >She had been in BsAs several weeks at this point
> and
> >it became clear as he approached our table that
> they
> >had met before. He said "Remember this song, when
> we
> >danced...." She said "Yes, how lovely" and
> continued
> >talking to me. He waited for her not quite sure
> how
> >to respond. I felt uncomfortable talking to her
> >because he was standing there waiting for her to
> >dance. He finally said "So, will you dance with
> me"
> >and she said "Yes, yes, but I want to finish this
> >conversation" and continued telling me the story
> she
> >was telling. Then he said "When the music is over,
> >the dance is gone" and she smiled at him. She said
> >"This is my friend Rose, she is a wonderful dancer"
> >and then he sat down next to her and said "I need
> to
> >teach you something about the milonga. It is the
> >choice of each person whom they will dance with. It
> is
> >a very personal thing. You do not suggest that one
> >dance with someone else. It is up to her to decide
> to
> >dance with me, and up to me to decide to dance with
> >her. Now you have put us in an awkward situation."
> >and she said "I know, I know, I should have known
> >better, I'm sorry" and then he turned to me and
> said
> >"No, I am sorry" and he left.
> >
> >I told her that I did not appreciate what she had
> done
> >to me and I thought it very rude of her to invite
> him
> >to the table if she didn't intend on dancing with
> him.
> >
> >This experience might have played out very
> differently
> >if we were in the states.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Rose
> >Portland, OR
>

Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:02:47 +0200
From: Christian Lüthen <christian.luethen@GMX.NET>
Subject: Re: Milonga behavior

Listen to her ...
... as she is right!!!

Rose has been to Bs.As. for the first time only this spring. [I was
happy to be able to see her come, and to see her go. Also share some
brilliant conversations *and* dances with her!] As a brilliant
observer anyways she *very* fast got a *very* deep inside the
"scene"/behaviours/"rules" of Bs.As. milonga!


On 18 Jun 2004 at 13:32, Razor Girl wrote:

> My real observation was that she justified her actions
> to me by saying that she was only trying to be
> friendly and has often introduced friends of hers to
> new partners she has danced with in the past and
> thought of it as a friendly courtesy. What she had
> failed to observe is that the gentleman was asking her
> to dance, not asking her may he come over to her table
> and sit while she talked with a female friend. That
> is the part that I would consider rude in either
> culture. But she also insulted him and me by
> suggesting the pairing.

I resisted to responding to this this afternoon (european time) ...

--- Zarlengo <zarlengo@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:

> > They say our schools are inferior and theirs are better. I ask you
> > what relatively small country (the USA) has the most Noble prize
> > winners? You can disagree with US politics - which I do - but the US
> > is the most powerful nation to ever walk the face of the earth. This
> > came from individuals of all sorts of backgrounds, but they are
> > North Americans. They have been asked several times to step in and
> > save the lives of millions of people - and you may also disagree
> > that we did. But the survivors of those countries even in Japan
> > after the nuclear bomb were happy to see their govt go!

... hoping that my knowledge of the english language is low enough
*not* to get the hopefully underlying irony in this posting ...
If you show up with comments like that in *any* argentinian /
european / afghanistan / irakien milonga you would not have to worry
about having success in people disliking you ... . Comments like this
if not *very* carefully said in the *very* right moment to the *very*
right people (who hopefully know that kind of humor (?) and you
personally) could make life very difficult for you ... but also -
_unfortunatly_ - also for any of your landsman and even any other
foreigner in Bs.As.! Leaving behind comment like this, in Bs.As. (but
not only there) is definitely a 'Milonga _mis_behaviour'!

Christian

christian@eTanguero.net
https://www.eTanguero.net/

Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:26:14 -0400
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Milonga behavior

>They say our schools are inferior and theirs are better. I ask you
>what relatively small country (the USA) has the most Noble prize
>winners?

Hmmm, as I recall most of the unfavorable comparisons or "our schools vs.
theirs" have been uttered by Americans bemoaning our world status in
education. Also, as someone else already pointed out, the higher education
institutions in the US are blessed with tremendous wealth. The US is the
richest nation on earth or nearly so. This explains the Nobel (not noble)
prize winners.

>You can disagree with US politics - which I do - but the US
>is the most powerful nation to ever walk the face of the earth. This
>came from individuals of all sorts of backgrounds, but they are North
>Americans. They have been asked several times to step in and save the
>lives of millions of people - and you may also disagree that we did.
>But the survivors of those countries even in Japan after the nuclear
>bomb were happy to see their govt go!

While it's true that the American people are good and generous, and the
Americans have helped many people in need many times, and have helped their
allies to win major conflicts, it's not wise to equate military might with
right.

>Being humble and polite is my policy, but in many cultures this is
>seen as a weakness to take advantage of you. This is my experience
>and the many Ex-Pats that I know.

Being humble and polite works wonders under all but the most bizarre
cultures and conditions. Not all experiences will be pleasant when dealing
with people, no matter where you are, but generalizations and blanket
statements are not helpful.

This whole reaction had nothing to do with tango, but Rose's wonderful
anecdote was right on target and the cluelessness or rudeness she described
would be just as wrong here in the US as in any other part of the world.

Xenophobia-free milongas to all,

Manuel