1533 Rick McGarvey's posts
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:37:00 -0700
From: Stephen Hoffman <DrSteveH@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: Rick McGarvey's posts
Rick, keep it up, man! - You're writing great stuff! Don't stop!
Just a couple of thoughts:
1) Try albuterol metered-dose inhaler, two puffs every 4 hours. May
add: ipratropium bromide metered-dose inhaler, 2 puffs every 4-8
hours. If sputum production has increased, or fever, (and if not
allergic) consider doxycycline 100 mg every 12 hours, or plain
erythromycin 250-500 mg. every 6 hours. Either for about 7-10 days.
You can get this stuff over-the-counter in Argentina. Also, avoid
smoke (milongas).
2) About your partner Alejandra, the actions of the milongueros, and
this bullshit about men in Argentina "respecting" other people's
relationships.... That's a load of crap, as I think you're finding
out. It's not about "respecting' other people's partners or
relationships - it's about protecting their own egos in this elaborate
and ridiculous game of seduction and betrayal that is called tango.
"Protecting" or "respecting" other people's relationships (as they call
it, and as you cave into) is simply about "rationalizing" why they are
not trying to snatch your partner, or rip-off your relationship, RIGHT
NOW. If they could, they would in a second. When at "Catedral" on a
Tuesday, I saw a sweet-looking Northern-European couple,
mid-20s-looking, sitting there on the funky couches - a "tango visit to
Bs.As". She was lovely, slim and blonde, modest-looking; he was
slight, sincere and attentive-looking, in the typical unimpressive
euro-outfit of jeans and collar-less bland T-shirt (but, like I said,
they were a really nice and well-brought-up looking couple). But, once
the "milongueros" smelled blood, and sensed that the euro-boyfriend was
ineffectual and unwilling to fight, and the girlfriend was compliant,
they moved in, and danced with her again and again, grinding it into
her, as the poor guy sat there dance after dance, wilting, agonizing,
dying emotionally, reduced to shame and nothingness. They did
everything they could to flaunt their power, "lorded-it" over him, made
every attempt to degrade him, ruin their relationship and vacation, and
smear their spunk all over her body. (She let it go on, unfortunately.)
Anyone who thinks they respect relationships in the milongas of Buenos
Aires is a fool, a liar, or part of the blood-sport. It's about the
men's egos and their ritualistic attempts to seduce a "milonguera", or
to isolate or "punish" her, or, better yet: to fuck a female tourist
(who regularly fall on their backs in a matter of hours, or one
"date"). Get real about the "codes", Rick.
Enjoy, (and watch your back),
Steve Hoffman
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:23:04 -0500
From: Bibi Wong <bibibwong@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Rick McGarvey's posts
To Steve,
At the risk of being labelled "culturally ignorant thus arrogant" by others
here, I stand to concur with the essence of Steve's description-- minus the
choice of animated writing :-), from what I observed and experienced there,
as a follower. It could happen in the well respected milongas to those
frequented by young people.
However, the concept of "respecting other people's relationships" could
happen elsewhere too, may be closely related to those cultures with high
machoism.
I recall one time here in USA, when I asked a Latino (non-Argentine)
tanguero, who already offered a ride to me to return home, to also give a
lift to a male visitor whose hotel happened to be on the way, I was turned
down flat with the reason that it was his culture to respect privacy of
others (that is, even a stranger cannot budge in for an innocent car ride).
I saw it as a matter of generosity and common courtesy here in the States.
I wonder how he would react if the situation is turned around when he has to
ask for help. I turned down his ride all together.
It is also possible that many tourists are not prepared for the real tango
scene down there. Also may be they let it continue because they enjoyed the
dance. May be he stayed on observing because he considered it a courtesy.
It might not be the case for the couples you saw, but it may describe the
experience of many tourists including myself. I myself danced 2 tandas
consecutively with the same tanguero, and I had (real coffee AND FOOD) after
a milonga at 6sh am in the morning.
And don't blame the tourists for not preparing themselves. Tango after
exported to overseas was portrayed as a "holier than holy" art form. In
reality, could it also remain as a "ridiculous game of seduction and
betrayal" ritual as Stephen described? This contradiction is
self-explanatory even at this forum; just so recently, one minute was about
toilet sex, another minute was about hoity toity feeling.
Bibi
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:56:28 +0200
From: Peter Wenger <Wenger-Lehrmittel@T-ONLINE.DE>
Subject: Re: Rick McGarvey's posts
Hello Stephen,
>
> 2) About your partner Alejandra, the actions of the milongueros, and
> this bullshit about men in Argentina "respecting" other people's
> relationships.... That's a load of crap, as I think you're finding
> out. It's not about "respecting' other people's partners or
> relationships - it's about protecting their own egos in this elaborate
> and ridiculous game of seduction and betrayal that is called tango.
What dos you mean? Is it a joke? Is it ironic? Put a ;-)) if it is a joke.
Peter
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:31:11 +0200
From: Joaquin Concha <j.concha@WEBMAIL.CO.ZA>
Subject: Re: Rick McGarvey's posts
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:37:00 -0700 Stephen Hoffman
(DrSteveH@ATTGLOBAL.NET) wrote:
> She was lovely, slim and blonde, modest-looking; he was
>slight, sincere and attentive-looking, in the typical unimpressive
>euro-outfit of jeans and collar-less bland T-shirt (but, like I said,
>they were a really nice and well-brought-up looking couple). But,
once
>the "milongueros" smelled blood, and sensed that the euro-boyfriend
was
>ineffectual and unwilling to fight, and the girlfriend was compliant,
> ........
>smear their spunk all over her body. (She let it go on,
unfortunately.)
>
That last line "She let it go on" tells a lot, doesn't it?
Nothing tests relationships like a trip to BA! I fimly believe that if
you are serious about your love relationship, you absolutely must test
it with a trip to BA.
As for "(who regularly fall on their backs in a matter of hours, or
one "date")", I think that milongueros prefer the kneel down position
for starters, sort of as a basic step, and then move on to more
advanced figures. Of course, I could be wrong, and maybe a resident
Tango-L expert (with experience) can enlighten us on this subject.
Keep it up DrSteveH! There is nothing like reading postings by
Argentine tango lover who hates Argentines with such passion.
J.Concha.
P.S. I prefer blonds.
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