3106 Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:41:28 -0300
From: Alberto Gesualdi <clambat2001@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
Dear listeros & listeras
I understand the benefits to play music from a computer and good amplification system, using MP3 files.
When I started to dance tango in Buenos Aires, my first experience was at Confiteria ideal (niovember 1998) . The DJ was an old man that use cassettes with recordings made from paste disks . As Jurassic Park as it may sound, it was not bad . The man has his tandas recorded, and two bags with cassetes decks. Also a dual cassette player , to switch tandas or cortinas.
Then the CD started (1999), and the Midi , that was shortlived. Later the minidisk with MP3 recordings (2001) that is in use today .
And last year 2004 the DJ of Circulo Trovado, Tony "the magician , said he was the first to use MP3 with a lap top and/or PC to make the tandas and cortinas ......
I miss some "feedback" from the DJs ,when technology does not allow to change a tanda at the click of the mouse , as the laptop allows with the mp3 files ......
To built an atmosphere , was something that was made little by little ,with achievements and misunderstandings . I always wonder what is the thing that makes people to jump from their chairs at a milonga. And what music keeps men and women looking one each other to dance.
Last saturday at Circulo Trovador, music was not bad, but was a bit frenzy . Tandas of three songs , then a cortina , and even if people keep dancing he cortina ( some were good , romantic music, swing ) , the DJ cut the cortina and play another tanda of tango, milonga or valsecito , or cumbia, or latin .....
It looks like as if having 1.200 songs in MP3 ,. available at the click of the mouse, makes the DJ to forget how a tanda is kept started-tensed-ended.
What will be the next gadget, I am worrying now :):)
warm regards
alberto gesualdi
buenos aires
Oleh Kovalchuke <oleh_k@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
I prefer external computer speakers in a duffel bag to connect to my laptop.
You can get a set with comparable specs but better frequency response (20 -
20000 Hz) for under $100 at your local computer store. Added bonus: you can
put laptop in the duffel bag too.
Cheers, Oleh K.
https://TangoSpring.com
>From: Tom Stermitz
>Reply-To: Tom Stermitz
>To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: [TANGO-L] JVC Kaboom portable boom box
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:41:54 -0700
>
>A great sound system is one of the essential secrets of a producing good
>event, whether you are a teacher or a DJ. Adequate sound isn't sufficient.
>
>In a big room you need a real system, but there are many situations where
>you need to fill a small to medium room, a restaurant, dance studio, etc.
>
>Those mini-component systems with all the lights and CD-players that break
>or won't play home-burned CDs are not really what you want. They are
>fragile and don't necessarily put out a lot of power.
>
>I have long relied on a JVC Kaboom system for small to medium rooms. It has
>both a microphone and aux (1/8 inch mini-jack) inputs for my computer or
>iPod. Plus it has a scratch and drum pad for confusing your audience when
>you accidently hit it.
>
>Unfortunately, JVC discontinued the system, so when my Kaboom was stolen I
>was in real trouble. I even went to ebay and paid retail for two used
>systems so I wouldn't be out of luck if one broke.
>
>Fortunately, JVC just announced that they are re-releasing the Kaboom
>RVNB1.
>
>I highly recommend you look into this if you need a portable (but somewhat
>heavy) system.
>
>
>
>JVC RV-NB1 Specifications
> Power: 20W at 4 ohm (full range); 40W at 4 ohm, 60 Hz (woofer);
> Weight: 21 lbs
> Cost: $250
> https://www.jvc.com/press/press.jsp?itemD3
> https://www.goodguys.com/adtemplate.asp?invkyA7111&catky>
>JVC BRINGS BACK THE NOISE WITH RELAUNCH OF BOOMBOX FAVORITE, THE KABOOM
>
>Back by popular demand, boombox delivers enormous sound, monster bass and
>portability
>
>LAS VEGAS, January 6, 2005 It s baaaack! Inferior boomboxes have been
>given fair warning. The JVC Kaboom, complete with monstrous bass and enough
>wattage to crash even the biggest parties, will once again hit the streets
>in 2005. And this time, it s more powerful than ever.
>
>
>
>Tom Stermitz
>https://www.tango.org
250MB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam
Abrm tu cuenta aqum
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:15:40 +0000
From: Oleh Kovalchuke <oleh_k@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
True, taking time to compose a tanda often makes final result much more
appealing.
If tape decks are not available and computer is the only option left I
highly recommend new Windows Media Player 10 for DJing - song rating should
help with composing a tanda (5-3-4-5 stars is good approach if all 5-5-5-5
stars song lineup is not available) and song list manipulation is very easy
in this tool.
Cheers, Oleh K.
https://TangoSpring.com
>From: Alberto Gesualdi <clambat2001@YAHOO.COM.AR>
>Reply-To: Alberto Gesualdi <clambat2001@YAHOO.COM.AR>
>To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: [TANGO-L] Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:41:28 -0300
>
>Dear listeros & listeras
>
>I understand the benefits to play music from a computer and good
>amplification system, using MP3 files.
>
>When I started to dance tango in Buenos Aires, my first experience was at
>Confiteria ideal (niovember 1998) . The DJ was an old man that use
>cassettes with recordings made from paste disks . As Jurassic Park as it
>may sound, it was not bad . The man has his tandas recorded, and two bags
>with cassetes decks. Also a dual cassette player , to switch tandas or
>cortinas.
>
>Then the CD started (1999), and the Midi , that was shortlived. Later the
>minidisk with MP3 recordings (2001) that is in use today .
>
>And last year 2004 the DJ of Circulo Trovado, Tony "the magician , said he
>was the first to use MP3 with a lap top and/or PC to make the tandas and
>cortinas ......
>
>I miss some "feedback" from the DJs ,when technology does not allow to
>change a tanda at the click of the mouse , as the laptop allows with the
>mp3 files ......
>
>To built an atmosphere , was something that was made little by little ,with
>achievements and misunderstandings . I always wonder what is the thing that
>makes people to jump from their chairs at a milonga. And what music
>keeps men and women looking one each other to dance.
>
>Last saturday at Circulo Trovador, music was not bad, but was a bit frenzy
>. Tandas of three songs , then a cortina , and even if people keep dancing
>he cortina ( some were good , romantic music, swing ) , the DJ cut the
>cortina and play another tanda of tango, milonga or valsecito , or cumbia,
>or latin .....
>
>It looks like as if having 1.200 songs in MP3 ,. available at the click of
>the mouse, makes the DJ to forget how a tanda is kept
>started-tensed-ended.
>
>What will be the next gadget, I am worrying now :):)
>
>
>warm regards
>alberto gesualdi
>buenos aires
>
>Oleh Kovalchuke <oleh_k@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>I prefer external computer speakers in a duffel bag to connect to my
>laptop.
>You can get a set with comparable specs but better frequency response (20 -
>20000 Hz) for under $100 at your local computer store. Added bonus: you can
>put laptop in the duffel bag too.
>
>Cheers, Oleh K.
>https://TangoSpring.com
>
> >From: Tom Stermitz
> >Reply-To: Tom Stermitz
> >To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> >Subject: [TANGO-L] JVC Kaboom portable boom box
> >Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:41:54 -0700
> >
> >A great sound system is one of the essential secrets of a producing good
> >event, whether you are a teacher or a DJ. Adequate sound isn't
>sufficient.
> >
> >In a big room you need a real system, but there are many situations where
> >you need to fill a small to medium room, a restaurant, dance studio, etc.
> >
> >Those mini-component systems with all the lights and CD-players that
>break
> >or won't play home-burned CDs are not really what you want. They are
> >fragile and don't necessarily put out a lot of power.
> >
> >I have long relied on a JVC Kaboom system for small to medium rooms. It
>has
> >both a microphone and aux (1/8 inch mini-jack) inputs for my computer or
> >iPod. Plus it has a scratch and drum pad for confusing your audience when
> >you accidently hit it.
> >
> >Unfortunately, JVC discontinued the system, so when my Kaboom was stolen
>I
> >was in real trouble. I even went to ebay and paid retail for two used
> >systems so I wouldn't be out of luck if one broke.
> >
> >Fortunately, JVC just announced that they are re-releasing the Kaboom
> >RVNB1.
> >
> >I highly recommend you look into this if you need a portable (but
>somewhat
> >heavy) system.
> >
> >
> >
> >JVC RV-NB1 Specifications
> > Power: 20W at 4 ohm (full range); 40W at 4 ohm, 60 Hz (woofer);
> > Weight: 21 lbs
> > Cost: $250
> > https://www.jvc.com/press/press.jsp?itemD3
> > https://www.goodguys.com/adtemplate.asp?invkyA7111&catky> >
> >JVC BRINGS BACK THE NOISE WITH RELAUNCH OF BOOMBOX FAVORITE, THE KABOOM
> >
> >Back by popular demand, boombox delivers enormous sound, monster bass and
> >portability
> >
> >LAS VEGAS, January 6, 2005 It s baaaack! Inferior boomboxes have been
> >given fair warning. The JVC Kaboom, complete with monstrous bass and
>enough
> >wattage to crash even the biggest parties, will once again hit the
>streets
> >in 2005. And this time, it s more powerful than ever.
> >
> >
> >
> >Tom Stermitz
> >https://www.tango.org
>
>
> 250MB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam
> Abrm tu cuenta aqum
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:55:06 -0800
From: Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
Hi Alberto
I think the problem is with the DJ, not the media he uses! If he made the switch to digital only recently, it is possible that he finds it hard to contain his excitement and can't unleash his selections fast enough!
I DJ in my little community and the region up here. I started with juggling albums, then I burned CDs with tandas, and now I DJ from my laptop (I have 4000 mp3s of which I use the top 1000 I think). There is no doubt in my mind that the results have improved dramatically! I feel no longer limited by practical and equipment considerations. I can use the tandas I build (I have many pre-defined), rearrange them or distill superconcentrated killer tandas from the ones I have, according to the mood of the crowd. This you are much more likely to do from a computer where you don't have to keep your finger on the Stop and >>| buttons and hope it goes smoothly, that tracklists are accurate and CDs unscratched.
Also, now that I have each song in an equally good position under my fingertips, I have come to know my music collection much better, and I play with far more variety and depth. The tandas I used to burn onto CDs are now allowed to evolve and get better with use and experience.
In fact I am rather impressed by that bad DJ you mention, Alberto. With a computer it's a lot harder to suck.
Tine
https://www.geocities.com/yaletangoclub/Tine.html
Alberto Gesualdi <clambat2001@YAHOO.COM.AR> wrote:
Dear listeros & listeras
I understand the benefits to play music from a computer and good amplification system, using MP3 files.
When I started to dance tango in Buenos Aires, my first experience was at Confiteria ideal (niovember 1998) . The DJ was an old man that use cassettes with recordings made from paste disks . As Jurassic Park as it may sound, it was not bad . The man has his tandas recorded, and two bags with cassetes decks. Also a dual cassette player , to switch tandas or cortinas.
Then the CD started (1999), and the Midi , that was shortlived. Later the minidisk with MP3 recordings (2001) that is in use today .
And last year 2004 the DJ of Circulo Trovado, Tony "the magician , said he was the first to use MP3 with a lap top and/or PC to make the tandas and cortinas ......
I miss some "feedback" from the DJs ,when technology does not allow to change a tanda at the click of the mouse , as the laptop allows with the mp3 files ......
To built an atmosphere , was something that was made little by little ,with achievements and misunderstandings . I always wonder what is the thing that makes people to jump from their chairs at a milonga. And what music keeps men and women looking one each other to dance.
Last saturday at Circulo Trovador, music was not bad, but was a bit frenzy . Tandas of three songs , then a cortina , and even if people keep dancing he cortina ( some were good , romantic music, swing ) , the DJ cut the cortina and play another tanda of tango, milonga or valsecito , or cumbia, or latin .....
It looks like as if having 1.200 songs in MP3 ,. available at the click of the mouse, makes the DJ to forget how a tanda is kept started-tensed-ended.
What will be the next gadget, I am worrying now :):)
warm regards
alberto gesualdi
buenos aires
Oleh Kovalchuke wrote:
I prefer external computer speakers in a duffel bag to connect to my laptop.
You can get a set with comparable specs but better frequency response (20 -
20000 Hz) for under $100 at your local computer store. Added bonus: you can
put laptop in the duffel bag too.
Cheers, Oleh K.
https://TangoSpring.com
>From: Tom Stermitz
>Reply-To: Tom Stermitz
>To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: [TANGO-L] JVC Kaboom portable boom box
>Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:41:54 -0700
>
>A great sound system is one of the essential secrets of a producing good
>event, whether you are a teacher or a DJ. Adequate sound isn't sufficient.
>
>In a big room you need a real system, but there are many situations where
>you need to fill a small to medium room, a restaurant, dance studio, etc.
>
>Those mini-component systems with all the lights and CD-players that break
>or won't play home-burned CDs are not really what you want. They are
>fragile and don't necessarily put out a lot of power.
>
>I have long relied on a JVC Kaboom system for small to medium rooms. It has
>both a microphone and aux (1/8 inch mini-jack) inputs for my computer or
>iPod. Plus it has a scratch and drum pad for confusing your audience when
>you accidently hit it.
>
>Unfortunately, JVC discontinued the system, so when my Kaboom was stolen I
>was in real trouble. I even went to ebay and paid retail for two used
>systems so I wouldn't be out of luck if one broke.
>
>Fortunately, JVC just announced that they are re-releasing the Kaboom
>RVNB1.
>
>I highly recommend you look into this if you need a portable (but somewhat
>heavy) system.
>
>
>
>JVC RV-NB1 Specifications
> Power: 20W at 4 ohm (full range); 40W at 4 ohm, 60 Hz (woofer);
> Weight: 21 lbs
> Cost: $250
> https://www.jvc.com/press/press.jsp?itemD3
> https://www.goodguys.com/adtemplate.asp?invkyA7111&catky>
>JVC BRINGS BACK THE NOISE WITH RELAUNCH OF BOOMBOX FAVORITE, THE KABOOM
>
>Back by popular demand, boombox delivers enormous sound, monster bass and
>portability
>
>LAS VEGAS, January 6, 2005 It s baaaack! Inferior boomboxes have been
>given fair warning. The JVC Kaboom, complete with monstrous bass and enough
>wattage to crash even the biggest parties, will once again hit the streets
>in 2005. And this time, it s more powerful than ever.
>
>
>
>Tom Stermitz
>https://www.tango.org
250MB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam
Abrm tu cuenta aqum
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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:19:41 -0600
From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
The use of a computer with MP3 files does make the dj's job easier in some
respects, but I see two pitfalls. First, the sound quality is reduced,
which tends to suck the life out of the music and create less atmopshere.
Second, the dj composing tandas on the fly is really required to know
which tangos from a particular orchestra are in the computer, go together
and what order they ought to be played.
For instance, suppose the dj is putting together a tanda of Pugliese
instrumentals and has the following files on tap: A Evaristo Carriego, A
Los Amigos, Arrabal, Boedo, Chique, Derecho Viejo, Don Agustin Bardi, El
Arranque, El Andariego, El Paladin, El Remate, Emancipacion, La Bordona,
La Mariposa, La Rayuela, La Tupungatina, La Yumba, Gallo Ciego, Mala
Estampa, Mala Junta, Nochero Soy, Orgullo Criollo, Para Dos, Pata Ancha,
Pelele, Raza Criolla, Recuerdo, Tierra Querida, Tinta Roja, Tiny, Yunta de
Oro.
Which should tracks be put together?
How about a "La" tanda -- La Bordona, La Mariposa, La Rayuela, La
Tupungatina, La Yumba?
How about an "El" tanda -- El Arranque, El Andariego, El Paladin, El
Remate?
How about an "A" tanda -- A Evaristo Carriego, A Los Amigos, Arrabal?
How about an "A,B,C,D" tanda--Arrabal, Boedo, Chique, Derecho Viejo
None of these tandas will work nearly as well in comparison to ones where
the dj has thought carefully about what works together. What happens if
the dj is programming the computer and distracted by someone who wants to
talk or ask questions? In short, djs who do a poor job with a computer
probably are distracted or don't know their music well enough to create
coherent tandas. Using preset tandas allows them to determine what goes
together without distraction or the pressure of time.
A little more about MP3 sound quality:
Many claim that in a noisy room and the typical sound system at milongas
and the mediocre sound quality of the original recordings, the loss from
MP3 files won't be that noticeable. A few claim that there is no audible
loss in sound quality. I wonder what kind hearing people who make such
statements have. I find the difference to be quite noticeable. In
comparison, to the original CDs, MP3 files of tango music sound suffer
from a loss in dynamics, sparkle and dimensionality. You can still hear
the bump, bump, bump of the rhythm, but what much else of what gives music
life is lost.
With best wishes for 2005!
Steve (de Tejas)
Stephen Brown
Tango Argentino de Tejas
https://www.tejastango.com/
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:25:17 +0100
From: Christian Lüthen <christian.luethen@GMX.NET>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
On 11 Jan 2005 at 16:19, Stephen Brown wrote:
> A little more about MP3 sound quality:
> Many claim that in a noisy room and the typical sound system at
> milongas and the mediocre sound quality of the original recordings,
> the loss from MP3 files won't be that noticeable. A few claim that
> there is no audible loss in sound quality. I wonder what kind hearing
> people who make such statements have. I find the difference to be
> quite noticeable. In comparison, to the original CDs, MP3 files of
> tango music sound suffer from a loss in dynamics, sparkle and
> dimensionality. You can still hear the bump, bump, bump of the
> rhythm, but what much else of what gives music life is lost.
mp3 is based on psychoacoustics ...
... which presumes that hearing (and sound) is flawless.
[appearantly people with perfect hearing have no problems, but those
with limited hearing (the majority) do have!]
neither one is right for old tango music.
Christian
christian@eTanguero.net
https://www.eTanguero.net/
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:42:34 -0600
From: "Christopher L. Everett" <ceverett@CEVERETT.COM>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
Stephen Brown wrote:
>The use of a computer with MP3 files does make the dj's job easier in some
>respects, but I see two pitfalls. First, the sound quality is reduced,
>which tends to suck the life out of the music and create less atmopshere.
>Second, the dj composing tandas on the fly is really required to know
>which tangos from a particular orchestra are in the computer, go together
>and what order they ought to be played.
>
>For instance, suppose the dj is putting together a tanda of Pugliese
>instrumentals and has the following files on tap: A Evaristo Carriego, A
>Los Amigos, Arrabal, Boedo, Chique, Derecho Viejo, Don Agustin Bardi, El
>Arranque, El Andariego, El Paladin, El Remate, Emancipacion, La Bordona,
>La Mariposa, La Rayuela, La Tupungatina, La Yumba, Gallo Ciego, Mala
>Estampa, Mala Junta, Nochero Soy, Orgullo Criollo, Para Dos, Pata Ancha,
>Pelele, Raza Criolla, Recuerdo, Tierra Querida, Tinta Roja, Tiny, Yunta de
>Oro.
>
>Which should tracks be put together?
>How about a "La" tanda -- La Bordona, La Mariposa, La Rayuela, La
>Tupungatina, La Yumba?
>How about an "El" tanda -- El Arranque, El Andariego, El Paladin, El
>Remate?
>How about an "A" tanda -- A Evaristo Carriego, A Los Amigos, Arrabal?
>How about an "A,B,C,D" tanda--Arrabal, Boedo, Chique, Derecho Viejo
>
>None of these tandas will work nearly as well in comparison to ones where
>the dj has thought carefully about what works together. What happens if
>the dj is programming the computer and distracted by someone who wants to
>talk or ask questions? In short, djs who do a poor job with a computer
>probably are distracted or don't know their music well enough to create
>coherent tandas. Using preset tandas allows them to determine what goes
>together without distraction or the pressure of time.
>
>
A good DJ would have prearranged tandas ready to go.
>A little more about MP3 sound quality:
>Many claim that in a noisy room and the typical sound system at milongas
>and the mediocre sound quality of the original recordings, the loss from
>MP3 files won't be that noticeable. A few claim that there is no audible
>loss in sound quality. I wonder what kind hearing people who make such
>statements have. I find the difference to be quite noticeable. In
>comparison, to the original CDs, MP3 files of tango music sound suffer
>from a loss in dynamics, sparkle and dimensionality. You can still hear
>the bump, bump, bump of the rhythm, but what much else of what gives music
>life is lost.
>
>
I wouldn't go so far as that. Much depends on the encoding of the MP3.
Crappy encoding software and low bit rates both play major roles in poor
MP3 sound quality.
Using a quality MP3 encoder (LAME, perhaps) and 224K, 256K or even 384K
VBR encoding makes an audible improvement. You can explore other formats
like Ogg or FLAC. Some are even lossless compression formats. I would
also go for an audiophile quality sound card as well.
--
Christopher L. Everett
Chief Technology Officer www.medbanner.com
MedBanner, Inc. www.physemp.com
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:20:28 -0600
From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
Christopher L. Everett wrote:
>Stephen Brown wrote:
>>...
>>In short, djs who do a poor job with a computer
>>probably are distracted or don't know their music well enough to create
>>coherent tandas. Using preset tandas allows them to determine what
>>goes together without distraction or the pressure of time.
>A good DJ would have prearranged tandas ready to go.
I agree. Apparently, the djs that Alberto wrote about enjoy the
flexibility of programming their tandas on the fly and do not have
prearranged tandas.
>>[A]bout MP3 sound quality:
>Using a quality MP3 encoder (LAME, perhaps) and 224K, 256K or even 384K
>VBR encoding makes an audible improvement.
I wonder how many djs rip at these relatively high rates or have the
software for VBR. VBR is not used by the most common MP3 prgorams, such
as i-tunes.
> You can explore other formats like Ogg or FLAC. Some are even lossless
compression formats.
The most popular dj programs are written to play MP3 files. A few play
other file formats.
For more technical information about encoding, see
https://arstechnica.com/guides/tweaks/encoding.ars
>I would also go for an audiophile quality sound card as well.
I would bet that not many djs have invested in an audiophile quality sound
card.
Christian wrote:
>mp3 is based on psychoacoustics ...
>... which presumes that hearing (and sound) is flawless.
>[appearantly people with perfect hearing have no problems, but those
>with limited hearing (the majority) do have!]
>neither one is right for old tango music.
Doesn't this depend on the bit rate as well as the quality of the sound
card?
With best regards,
Steve (de Tejas)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:33:47 -0600
From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
Apparently, I misread. It does appear that i-tunes has an implementation
of VBR that is regarded as inferior to LAME.
https://arstechnica.com/guides/tweaks/encoding.ars
>>Some last notes: Windows Media Player now freely supports encoding to
MP3 from CD. Unfortunately, it uses the inferior Fraunhofer codec. iTunes,
however, does not use the Fraunhofer codec. Despite some recent confusion,
it turns out Apple wrote their own MP3 encoder for use in iTunes.
Unfortunately its quality is much worse than their AAC encoder or other
free MP3 encoders. Regardless, WMP does not support VBR encoding, and
iTunes doens't use LAME, and LAME is what all the cool kids are doing, so
I recommend you use LAME. It's just better.
Generally speaking, VBR is better than ABR is better than CBR. But
remember, there will always be people telling you that your way sucks, no
matter what you do. It is inevitable. I'd probably be one of them if you
were encoding to MP3 using anything but LAME. ;)<<
With best regards,
Steve (de Tejas)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:47:26 -0800
From: Phil Seyer <weddingdj@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
The sound quality may be reduced, but is not necessarily reduced
significantly by using a computer with MP3 files.
But I do hear a difference. In fact, quality MP3 files on my sound
system really sound better than the sound from CDs played on most
professional DJ systems. How is that possible? Its due to the
research done by the folks at Bose. The Bose speaker system brings out
the best in whatever recording you have. The sound really rivals live
music even when coming from MP3 files. Of course, the human emotion
and feeling that comes from live music is priceless. (I'm a musician
as well as a DJ so I understand both sides.)
Although quality MP3's are good, whenever possible, though, I import
CDs using Apple's loss-less file compression system.
For more info. on this you may want to see:
https://www.apple.com/itunes/import.html
Doctor Phil (Phil Seyer, the Dance Lesson DJ)
https://www.DanceLessonDJ.com
https://www.Argentine-tango.com
https://www.LoveMusicLoveDance.com
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:19:41 -0600, Stephen Brown
<Stephen.P.Brown@dal.frb.org> wrote:
> The use of a computer with MP3 files does make the dj's job easier in some
> respects, but I see two pitfalls. First, the sound quality is reduced,
> which tends to suck the life out of the music and create less atmopshere.
> Second, the dj composing tandas on the fly is really required to know
> which tangos from a particular orchestra are in the computer, go together
> and what order they ought to be played.
>
> For instance, suppose the dj is putting together a tanda of Pugliese
> instrumentals and has the following files on tap: A Evaristo Carriego, A
> Los Amigos, Arrabal, Boedo, Chique, Derecho Viejo, Don Agustin Bardi, El
> Arranque, El Andariego, El Paladin, El Remate, Emancipacion, La Bordona,
> La Mariposa, La Rayuela, La Tupungatina, La Yumba, Gallo Ciego, Mala
> Estampa, Mala Junta, Nochero Soy, Orgullo Criollo, Para Dos, Pata Ancha,
> Pelele, Raza Criolla, Recuerdo, Tierra Querida, Tinta Roja, Tiny, Yunta de
> Oro.
>
> Which should tracks be put together?
> How about a "La" tanda -- La Bordona, La Mariposa, La Rayuela, La
> Tupungatina, La Yumba?
> How about an "El" tanda -- El Arranque, El Andariego, El Paladin, El
> Remate?
> How about an "A" tanda -- A Evaristo Carriego, A Los Amigos, Arrabal?
> How about an "A,B,C,D" tanda--Arrabal, Boedo, Chique, Derecho Viejo
>
> None of these tandas will work nearly as well in comparison to ones where
> the dj has thought carefully about what works together. What happens if
> the dj is programming the computer and distracted by someone who wants to
> talk or ask questions? In short, djs who do a poor job with a computer
> probably are distracted or don't know their music well enough to create
> coherent tandas. Using preset tandas allows them to determine what goes
> together without distraction or the pressure of time.
>
> A little more about MP3 sound quality:
> Many claim that in a noisy room and the typical sound system at milongas
> and the mediocre sound quality of the original recordings, the loss from
> MP3 files won't be that noticeable. A few claim that there is no audible
> loss in sound quality. I wonder what kind hearing people who make such
> statements have. I find the difference to be quite noticeable. In
> comparison, to the original CDs, MP3 files of tango music sound suffer
> from a loss in dynamics, sparkle and dimensionality. You can still hear
> the bump, bump, bump of the rhythm, but what much else of what gives music
> life is lost.
>
> With best wishes for 2005!
> Steve (de Tejas)
>
> Stephen Brown
> Tango Argentino de Tejas
> https://www.tejastango.com/
>
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:11:31 -0800
From: Kos.Zahariev@EC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
>
>On 11 Jan 2005 at 16:19, Stephen Brown wrote:
>
>> A little more about MP3 sound quality:
>> Many claim that in a noisy room and the typical sound system at
>> milongas and the mediocre sound quality of the original recordings,
>> the loss from MP3 files won't be that noticeable. A few claim that
>> there is no audible loss in sound quality. I wonder what kind hearing
>> people who make such statements have. I find the difference to be
>> quite noticeable. In comparison, to the original CDs, MP3 files of
>> tango music sound suffer from a loss in dynamics, sparkle and
>> dimensionality. You can still hear the bump, bump, bump of the
>> rhythm, but what much else of what gives music life is lost.
>
>mp3 is based on psychoacoustics ...
>... which presumes that hearing (and sound) is flawless.
>[appearantly people with perfect hearing have no problems, but those
>with limited hearing (the majority) do have!]
>neither one is right for old tango music.
>
>Christian
Also, from https://www.mp3-converter.com/mp3codec/imperceptible.htm :
Who Defines "Imperceptible?"
Before moving away from the topic of perceptual codecs, there's an important
point to be made about the category as a whole: They all make baseline
assumptions about the limitations of human perception, and about how closely
the end result will be listened to. The fact of the matter is that all that
stuff being stripped out adds up to something. While no recording format,
whether it be vinyl, reel-to-reel, compact disk, or wax cylinder, can capture
all of the overtones and subtle nuances of a live performance, nor can any
playback equipment on the face of the earth reproduce the quality of a live
performance.
All compression formats-especially perceptual codecs are capable
of robbing the signal of subtleties. While certain frequencies may not be
distinctly perceptible, their cumulative effect contributes to the overall
"presence" and ambience of recorded music. Once a signal has been encoded,
some of the "magic" of the original signal has been stripped away, and cannot
be retrieved no matter how hard you listen or how good your playback
equipment. As a result, MP3 files are sometimes described as sounding "hollow"
in comparison to their uncompressed cousins. Of course, the higher the quality
of the encoding, the less magic lost. You have to strike your own
compromises.
[...]
In a perfect world, we would all have unlimited storage and unlimited
bandwidth. In such a world, the MP3 format may never have come to exist-it
would have had no reason to. If necessity is the mother of invention, the
invention would never have happened. Compression techniques and the perceptual
codec represent a compromise we can live with until storage and bandwidth
limitations vanish for good.
Currently the only reason, as a tango DJ, to persist with mp3 on a laptop is
because specialized DJ programs (that are cheap and/or free) still do not
handle much else, as far as I know.
I decided in January 2003 that I prefer lossless compression to using a
specialized DJ program, so I have been DJing from a laptop with
losslessly-compressed tangos (ape = "Monkey's audio") ever since, using an
external "audiophile" soundcard (and a good amp and large speakers). Works.
Best regards,
Konstantin
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:53:04 +0100
From: "Kohlhaas, Bernhard" <bernhard.kohlhaas@SAP.COM>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
Stephen Brown wrote:
> >A good DJ would have prearranged tandas ready to go.
> I agree. Apparently, the djs that Alberto wrote about enjoy the
> flexibility of programming their tandas on the fly and do not have
> prearranged tandas.
I have over 100 tandas in M3U playlist files, one playlist file for each
tanda
with a cortina at the end. Occasionally I might change a tanda on the
fly, but
usually only to exchange one song for another similar one.
A DJ has to be very good to create a good tanda from scratch.
>>[A]bout MP3 sound quality:
> >Using a quality MP3 encoder (LAME, perhaps) and 224K, 256K or even
384K
> >VBR encoding makes an audible improvement.
> I wonder how many djs rip at these relatively high rates or have the
> software for VBR. VBR is not used by the most common MP3 prgorams,
such
> as i-tunes.
I'm not sure, if i-tunes is all that common. In any case the German
computer
magazine c't once tested, how different song formats and bitrates
changed
compared to the original. If I recall the results correctly, a 192kpbs
mp3 file
was pretty much indistinguishable from the original.
Mine are ripped using VBR. The resulting bitrate is usually somwhere
between 170kpbs
for very old recordings with limited frequency spectrum and 250 kbps for
new recordings.
> > You can explore other formats like Ogg or FLAC. Some are even
lossless
> > compression formats.
FLAC is lossless. OGG isn't, but at the same bitrate as MP3 it seems to
be
closer to the orignal.
> Christian wrote:
> >mp3 is based on psychoacoustics ...
> >... which presumes that hearing (and sound) is flawless.
> >[appearantly people with perfect hearing have no problems, but those
> >with limited hearing (the majority) do have!]
> >neither one is right for old tango music.
The assumption that people with not so perfect hearing find MP3 more
flawed
than people with perfect hearing sounds a bit strange. Christian, how
did you come
to that conclusion or read about it.
> Doesn't this depend on the bit rate as well as the quality of the
sound
> card?
Probably more so on the bit rate. After all I doubt that most amplifiers
and
speakers are of audiophile quality.
Bernhard
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:36:12 -0800
From: DayLightPix <daylightpix@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
I like to share what I use to preserve sound quality
with my computer setup.
I run a milonga at a place with acoustic-controlled
walls (no echo) and very high-end integrated sound
system (five figures, optical backbone).
Coming from a family with many musicians, I believe
any compromise in sound quality must be avoided.
Sparing no details, I use:
1. CD quality file format: AIFF (windows equivalent is
WAV)
MP3 vs. lossless: compare any compressed music side by
side with the original music using any decent sound
system (NOT the 5 watt speakers that came with your
computer) and you will hear a dramatic difference.
Yes the files are huge, but currently all my music fit
onto an external 250GB hard drive. External drives up
to 2TB, or 2000GB are currently available on the
market, there is no excuse to go with an inferior
quality file to save room. In addition, almost all
programs play AIFF and WAV files, because this is the
format of the audio CD.
2. Good sound card: I use an external USB solution
Most, if not all computer's factory sound output port
are inadequate for high quality sound output. In the
best case it doesn't transfer the whole frequency
range of the music, in the worst case it produces
interference.
3. Turn off software sound processing (i.e. "sound
enhancer").
Most inexpensive software's enhancing mode assumes
that you are playing the music on inexpensive speakers
and attempt to compensate. It changes the music and
distorts the music, making music lose clarity.
Occasionally, when needed, I do use Volume Adjustment
for individual tracks when they are overall too loud
or too soft.
4. Use good cable: recently upgraded to one that cost
$70.
The difference isn't as profound as MP3 vs. AIFF. In
side by side comparison, the better cable provides
slightly better clarity throughout the sound spectrum.
5. and the standards: Don't forget good amplifier,
good speakers, and good speaker wires. Yes, speaker
wires also makes a difference.
Finally, the most important: I am sure everyone knows
this... No matter how good the equipment is, there is
no replacement for good selection of music.
David Liu
Tango Lounge - Boston milonga on 2nd Fridays
Special anniversary milonga January 14, 2005
www.tangolounge.org
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:13:59 -0800
From: ramiro garcia <ramiro9@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
Creating mp3s is a task, just like creating tandas is a task.
Skill is involved. Creating mp3s "automatically", without
thought applied is as likely to yield good results as creating
tandas "automatically", letting a random selecter pick 3 songs
at a time.
MP3s can be created well or poorly, and they can be created to
be indistinguishable from the original by the human ear.
Been there, done that, own the t-shirt.
ramiro
--- Christian L|then <christian.luethen@GMX.NET> wrote:
> On 11 Jan 2005 at 16:19, Stephen Brown wrote:
>
> > A little more about MP3 sound quality:
> > Many claim that in a noisy room and the typical sound system
> at
> > milongas and the mediocre sound quality of the original
> recordings,
> > the loss from MP3 files won't be that noticeable. A few
> claim that
> > there is no audible loss in sound quality. I wonder what
> kind hearing
> > people who make such statements have. I find the difference
> to be
> > quite noticeable. In comparison, to the original CDs, MP3
> files of
> > tango music sound suffer from a loss in dynamics, sparkle
> and
> > dimensionality. You can still hear the bump, bump, bump of
> the
> > rhythm, but what much else of what gives music life is lost.
>
> mp3 is based on psychoacoustics ...
> ... which presumes that hearing (and sound) is flawless.
> [appearantly people with perfect hearing have no problems, but
> those
> with limited hearing (the majority) do have!]
> neither one is right for old tango music.
>
> Christian
>
> christian@eTanguero.net
> https://www.eTanguero.net/
>
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:06:21 -0800
From: Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
Hi Stephen and everybody
Thanks so much for sharing your informed opinions!
The mp3 sound quality is indeed a pitfall. I encode everything at 256 kbps which I think is adequate (some people think it's overkill). I don't think it's audible, but if it were, the difference might be an order of magnitude smaller than the difference heard between RCA and, say, Tango Argentino or El Bandoneon. 96 kbps is awful even on crappy laptop speakers, 128 is probably OK in most cases but not all. My homefield has a medium-size but excellent PA system which is a big help, it's the Fender passport deluxe 250W amp with Bose speakers. Portable and affordable. A great investment, I leaned on all my members for $10 or $15 each, and the purchase was painless. If you are interested I can tell you the cheapest source for one of these, email me.
Regarding the issue of putting together a tanda, that problem is not unique to the use of a computer. Stephen, your "La" and "A" tanda ideas are very funny. I know my music well and Pugliese is pretty obvious, so I could assemble on the fly several coherent and very different tandas from your list, but the neat thing is with my computer your grandmother can do it too. I must have too much time on my hands, but I encoded into the mp3 the recording years for all my Pugliese, Di Sarli, D'Arienzo and Troilo tracks, I see which albums the tracks are from, whether instr/name of singer, all sortable, right in the DJ software, and to top it off I have made a sortable column with tanda codes, eg PUG 40s instr A, 4 to 6 of those mp3s that are gems individually and all work great together, there's also PUG 40s Chanel, PUG 60s Emancip etc etc. The info is there to use or disregard. So your grandmother could do it. When I buy a new CD with something that belongs in an existing tanda, I just give
it that tanda code and voila I have one more to choose from, or even enough to split into 2 tandas. No need to make new CDs or juggle them around. The real beauty is that I can now think outside the box in an informed manner, and act on it with minimal hassle right there in the field. I permutate the track order in the tanda, I add a track to stretch it, or I add a special request, or most often I pick and choose from multiple compatible pre-defined tandas, this I do a lot in places where I play occasionally and I can give them my top 4 of orchestra XYZ. Otherwise I give them my top 8 in 2 weekly installments. Both are first-rate, but I'll admit I have seasonal favorites.
About distractions, well of course you know that putting your finger on the CD player's >>| button not only makes you skip a track, it also causes a random person to come ask you a random question at that very moment. It's very remarkable. With my computer, I am always way ahead of the dance floor, and although I often make changes to the selection until the last minute before the song goes on, there's always something good there already that can go on if I get distracted, so no disasters ever happen. Try that with CDs... Well I'm preaching to the converted.
Tine
https://www.geocities.com/yaletangoclub/Tine.html
Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG> wrote:
The use of a computer with MP3 files does make the dj's job easier in some
respects, but I see two pitfalls. First, the sound quality is reduced,
which tends to suck the life out of the music and create less atmopshere.
Second, the dj composing tandas on the fly is really required to know
which tangos from a particular orchestra are in the computer, go together
and what order they ought to be played.
For instance, suppose the dj is putting together a tanda of Pugliese
instrumentals and has the following files on tap: A Evaristo Carriego, A
Los Amigos, Arrabal, Boedo, Chique, Derecho Viejo, Don Agustin Bardi, El
Arranque, El Andariego, El Paladin, El Remate, Emancipacion, La Bordona,
La Mariposa, La Rayuela, La Tupungatina, La Yumba, Gallo Ciego, Mala
Estampa, Mala Junta, Nochero Soy, Orgullo Criollo, Para Dos, Pata Ancha,
Pelele, Raza Criolla, Recuerdo, Tierra Querida, Tinta Roja, Tiny, Yunta de
Oro.
Which should tracks be put together?
How about a "La" tanda -- La Bordona, La Mariposa, La Rayuela, La
Tupungatina, La Yumba?
How about an "El" tanda -- El Arranque, El Andariego, El Paladin, El
Remate?
How about an "A" tanda -- A Evaristo Carriego, A Los Amigos, Arrabal?
How about an "A,B,C,D" tanda--Arrabal, Boedo, Chique, Derecho Viejo
None of these tandas will work nearly as well in comparison to ones where
the dj has thought carefully about what works together. What happens if
the dj is programming the computer and distracted by someone who wants to
talk or ask questions? In short, djs who do a poor job with a computer
probably are distracted or don't know their music well enough to create
coherent tandas. Using preset tandas allows them to determine what goes
together without distraction or the pressure of time.
A little more about MP3 sound quality:
Many claim that in a noisy room and the typical sound system at milongas
and the mediocre sound quality of the original recordings, the loss from
MP3 files won't be that noticeable. A few claim that there is no audible
loss in sound quality. I wonder what kind hearing people who make such
statements have. I find the difference to be quite noticeable. In
comparison, to the original CDs, MP3 files of tango music sound suffer
from a loss in dynamics, sparkle and dimensionality. You can still hear
the bump, bump, bump of the rhythm, but what much else of what gives music
life is lost.
With best wishes for 2005!
Steve (de Tejas)
Stephen Brown
Tango Argentino de Tejas
https://www.tejastango.com/
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:38:23 +0100
From: Alexis Cousein <al@BRUSSELS.SGI.COM>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
ramiro garcia wrote:
> Creating mp3s is a task, just like creating tandas is a task.
> Skill is involved. Creating mp3s "automatically", without
> thought applied is as likely to yield good results as creating
> tandas "automatically", letting a random selecter pick 3 songs
> at a time.
>
> MP3s can be created well or poorly, and they can be created to
> be indistinguishable from the original by the human ear.
>
Especially given the sound quality of some of the originals,
especially those of the '20s and '30s.
--
Alexis Cousein Senior Systems Engineer
alexis@sgi.com SGI Brussels
If I have seen further, it is by standing on reference manuals.
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:50:04 +0100
From: "Kohlhaas, Bernhard" <bernhard.kohlhaas@SAP.COM>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
Ramiro wrote:
> Creating mp3s is a task, just like creating tandas is a task.
> Skill is involved. Creating mp3s "automatically", without
> thought applied is as likely to yield good results as creating
> tandas "automatically", letting a random selecter pick 3 songs
> at a time.
That comparison doesn't hold in my opinion. With creating MP3s
you need to configure your software ONCE and then you can indeed
create them automatically. That doesn't involve skill, just
some basic understanding.
Creating tandas on the other hand does require skill and requires
it EVERY time. And the degree of sophistication required is magnitudes
above increasing the bitrate in your MP3 encoder.
> MP3s can be created well or poorly, and they can be created to
> be indistinguishable from the original by the human ear.
Agreed!
Bernhard
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:27:38 -0300
From: Alberto Gesualdi <clambat2001@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
Dear friends from tango list
Well, after several postings, I have to agree, it is better to use computer facilities to have the source for the music of a milonga . And to build a tanda with the craftmanship of the dj , looking whats going on , that night .
Everything arrives for those who wait, said a japanese proverb .
So I think I will take my cds, usd 499 , and ......
https://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html
warm regards
alberto
"Kohlhaas, Bernhard" <bernhard.kohlhaas@SAP.COM> wrote:
Ramiro wrote:
> Creating mp3s is a task, just like creating tandas is a task.
> Skill is involved. Creating mp3s "automatically", without
> thought applied is as likely to yield good results as creating
> tandas "automatically", letting a random selecter pick 3 songs
> at a time.
That comparison doesn't hold in my opinion. With creating MP3s
you need to configure your software ONCE and then you can indeed
create them automatically. That doesn't involve skill, just
some basic understanding.
Creating tandas on the other hand does require skill and requires
it EVERY time. And the degree of sophistication required is magnitudes
above increasing the bitrate in your MP3 encoder.
> MP3s can be created well or poorly, and they can be created to
> be indistinguishable from the original by the human ear.
Agreed!
Bernhard
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:23:41 +0000
From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
I have only done a little DJ'ing, so am very much on the beginning of the
learning curve. I'm using MusicMatch by default, but also keep a spreadsheet
of all my music so I can keep track of other parameters that I cannot plug
into MM (beats/min, emotional tone, etc.). This is getting very tedious.
I've had Media Center by J. River recommended (Thanks Tine!) and downloaded
a trial copy last night but haven't played with it yet. My question: what
software do other DJ's recommend and use?
J in Portland
www.TangoMoments.com
----Original Message Follows----
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:41:22 -0500
From: Richard deSousa <Mallpasso@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
How about the Windows version of iTunes?
El Bandito de Tango
In a message dated 1/13/2005 11:23:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jay Rabe <jayrabe@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>I have only done a little DJ'ing, so am very much on the beginning of the
>learning curve. I'm using MusicMatch by default, but also keep a spreadsheet
>of all my music so I can keep track of other parameters that I cannot plug
>into MM (beats/min, emotional tone, etc.). This is getting very tedious.
>I've had Media Center by J. River recommended (Thanks Tine!) and downloaded
>a trial copy last night but haven't played with it yet. My question: what
>software do other DJ's recommend and use?
>
>J in Portland
>www.TangoMoments.com
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
>
>Christopher L. Everett wrote:
>
> >Stephen Brown wrote:
> >>...
> >>In short, djs who do a poor job with a computer
> >>probably are distracted or don't know their music well enough to create
> >>coherent tandas. Using preset tandas allows them to determine what
> >>goes together without distraction or the pressure of time.
>
> >A good DJ would have prearranged tandas ready to go.
>
>I agree. Apparently, the djs that Alberto wrote about enjoy the
>flexibility of programming their tandas on the fly and do not have
>prearranged tandas.
>
> >>[A]bout MP3 sound quality:
>
> >Using a quality MP3 encoder (LAME, perhaps) and 224K, 256K or even 384K
> >VBR encoding makes an audible improvement.
>
>I wonder how many djs rip at these relatively high rates or have the
>software for VBR. VBR is not used by the most common MP3 prgorams, such
>as i-tunes.
>
> > You can explore other formats like Ogg or FLAC. Some are even lossless
>compression formats.
>
>The most popular dj programs are written to play MP3 files. A few play
>other file formats.
>
>For more technical information about encoding, see
>https://arstechnica.com/guides/tweaks/encoding.ars
>
> >I would also go for an audiophile quality sound card as well.
>
>I would bet that not many djs have invested in an audiophile quality sound
>card.
>
>Christian wrote:
> >mp3 is based on psychoacoustics ...
> >... which presumes that hearing (and sound) is flawless.
> >[appearantly people with perfect hearing have no problems, but those
> >with limited hearing (the majority) do have!]
> >neither one is right for old tango music.
>
>Doesn't this depend on the bit rate as well as the quality of the sound
>card?
>
>With best regards,
>Steve (de Tejas)
>
>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:00:57 +0000
From: Oleh Kovalchuke <oleh_k@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
I like Windows Media Player 10. It is more flexible than iTunes.
Oleh
>From: Richard deSousa <Mallpasso@AOL.COM>
>Reply-To: Mallpasso@AOL.COM
>To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:41:22 -0500
>
>How about the Windows version of iTunes?
>
>El Bandito de Tango
>
>
>
>In a message dated 1/13/2005 11:23:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jay Rabe
><jayrabe@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
>
> >I have only done a little DJ'ing, so am very much on the beginning of the
> >learning curve. I'm using MusicMatch by default, but also keep a
>spreadsheet
> >of all my music so I can keep track of other parameters that I cannot
>plug
> >into MM (beats/min, emotional tone, etc.). This is getting very tedious.
> >I've had Media Center by J. River recommended (Thanks Tine!) and
>downloaded
> >a trial copy last night but haven't played with it yet. My question: what
> >software do other DJ's recommend and use?
> >
> >J in Portland
> >www.TangoMoments.com
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
> >
> >Christopher L. Everett wrote:
> >
> > >Stephen Brown wrote:
> > >>...
> > >>In short, djs who do a poor job with a computer
> > >>probably are distracted or don't know their music well enough to
>create
> > >>coherent tandas. Using preset tandas allows them to determine what
> > >>goes together without distraction or the pressure of time.
> >
> > >A good DJ would have prearranged tandas ready to go.
> >
> >I agree. Apparently, the djs that Alberto wrote about enjoy the
> >flexibility of programming their tandas on the fly and do not have
> >prearranged tandas.
> >
> > >>[A]bout MP3 sound quality:
> >
> > >Using a quality MP3 encoder (LAME, perhaps) and 224K, 256K or even 384K
> > >VBR encoding makes an audible improvement.
> >
> >I wonder how many djs rip at these relatively high rates or have the
> >software for VBR. VBR is not used by the most common MP3 prgorams, such
> >as i-tunes.
> >
> > > You can explore other formats like Ogg or FLAC. Some are even
>lossless
> >compression formats.
> >
> >The most popular dj programs are written to play MP3 files. A few play
> >other file formats.
> >
> >For more technical information about encoding, see
> >https://arstechnica.com/guides/tweaks/encoding.ars
> >
> > >I would also go for an audiophile quality sound card as well.
> >
> >I would bet that not many djs have invested in an audiophile quality
>sound
> >card.
> >
> >Christian wrote:
> > >mp3 is based on psychoacoustics ...
> > >... which presumes that hearing (and sound) is flawless.
> > >[appearantly people with perfect hearing have no problems, but those
> > >with limited hearing (the majority) do have!]
> > >neither one is right for old tango music.
> >
> >Doesn't this depend on the bit rate as well as the quality of the sound
> >card?
> >
> >With best regards,
> >Steve (de Tejas)
> >
>LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
> >
>
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:27:38 +0100
From: "Kohlhaas, Bernhard" <bernhard.kohlhaas@SAP.COM>
Subject: Re: Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
I wrote about my setup a while ago on tango-l. You can find a copy
of the article here:
https://pythia.uoregon.edu/~llynch/Tango-L/2001/msg01960.html
I still find that Winamp is the most flexible media player for my
purpose, as it allows 3rd party plugins to alter or extend its
behavior.
Specifially for tango Djing I use Winamp plugins to
- add a 2 second pause between songs
- run a gain controller to have a more consistent volume
- reduce the stereo spectrum of a stereo recordings, so the
instruments are more equally distributed between the 2 channels.
Bernhard Kohlhaas
Mountain View, CA
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Sent: Thursday, Jan 13, 2005 8:24 AM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Tandas at the speed of a mouse click
I have only done a little DJ'ing, so am very much on the beginning of
the
learning curve. I'm using MusicMatch by default, but also keep a
spreadsheet
of all my music so I can keep track of other parameters that I cannot
plug
into MM (beats/min, emotional tone, etc.). This is getting very tedious.
I've had Media Center by J. River recommended (Thanks Tine!) and
downloaded
a trial copy last night but haven't played with it yet. My question:
what
software do other DJ's recommend and use?
J in Portland
www.TangoMoments.com
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