1268 Tango Festivals
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 12:27:18 -0400
From: Keith Elshaw <keith@TOTANGO.NET>
Subject: Tango Festivals
This is a commercial.
Go to a Festival!
New Zealand Festival of Tango (Martinborough) - May 15 - 18
Tango Fantasy 2003 (Miami Beach) - May 17 - 25
3rd Annual Memorial Day Milonguero Tango Weekend (Denver) - May 21-26
Tangofestival (Berlin) - June 7, 8, 9
Midnight Sun Tango Festival (Anchorage, Alaska) - June 12-15
The Tango Fireworks 2003 (Los Angeles) - June 27-July 5 in Long Beach
Montreal International Tango Festival - July 6-13
6th Annual Tango Week 2003 (San Francisco) - July 7-11
Milonguero Nights (Moscow) - August 19-24
3rd Annual Labor Day Tango Festival (Denver) - August 27-Sept 1
II World Tango Festival (Buenos Aires) - October 5-12
They all have web pages. Apologies if I missed someone!
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 16:47:56 -0400
From: Michael B Ditkoff <tangomaniac@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: Tango Festivals
Keith:
You missed the 3rd Annual New York Tango Festival: July 24-27
www.nyctango.com
Michael
Washington, DC
On Sun, 11 May 2003 12:27:18 -0400 Keith Elshaw <keith@TOTANGO.NET>
writes:
> This is a commercial.
>
> Go to a Festival!
>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:59:58 -0600
From: Deb Sclar <deb@DANCEOFTHEHEART.COM>
Subject: FW: [TANGO-L] Tango Festivals
Also, the second Annual Nuevo Tango Festival, in Boulder and Denver,
Colorado from July 27 through August 3, produced by Dance of the Heart,
www.danceoftheheart.com
Brian y Deb
Dance of the Heart
Boulder, Colorado
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Keith:
You missed the 3rd Annual New York Tango Festival: July 24-27
www.nyctango.com
Michael
Washington, DC
On Sun, 11 May 2003 12:27:18 -0400 Keith Elshaw <keith@TOTANGO.NET>
writes:
> This is a commercial.
>
> Go to a Festival!
>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:50:32 -0500
From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Re: Tango Festivals
Keith wrote:
>Go to a Festival!
Tango festivals are wonderful. There are many reasons to go. The
well-known instructors are the first reason that most people think of
going to a festival. But, the festivals also attract people who have an
intense interest in tango are usually among the better dancers from their
own community. There is something quite magical about being someplace for
a week or weekend where everyone is intensely interested in tango and
nearly everyone dances reasonably well. I always experience more tango
trances at festivals, and I always find that my dancing has improved--even
if I only attend a few classes. The opportunity to concentrate on tango
and to dance with many others who have made a similar committment is what
makes the dancing at a festival special.
Susan and I will be at least three festivals this year including the Miami
Tango Fantasy which starts in just a few days.
With best regards,
Steve
Stephen Brown
Tango Argentino de Tejas
https://www.tejastango.com/
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:55:18 -0400
From: Jak <jak@BAILATANGO.COM>
Subject: Tango Festivals
Missed the one in Istanbul
August 1-10
www.BailaTango.com/tour/
Jak
212 314 5640
www.BailaTango.com/
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Subject: [TANGO-L] Tango Festivals
This is a commercial.
Go to a Festival!
New Zealand Festival of Tango (Martinborough) - May 15 - 18
Tango Fantasy 2003 (Miami Beach) - May 17 - 25
3rd Annual Memorial Day Milonguero Tango Weekend (Denver) - May 21-26
Tangofestival (Berlin) - June 7, 8, 9
Midnight Sun Tango Festival (Anchorage, Alaska) - June 12-15
The Tango Fireworks 2003 (Los Angeles) - June 27-July 5 in Long Beach
Montreal International Tango Festival - July 6-13
6th Annual Tango Week 2003 (San Francisco) - July 7-11
Milonguero Nights (Moscow) - August 19-24
3rd Annual Labor Day Tango Festival (Denver) - August 27-Sept 1
II World Tango Festival (Buenos Aires) - October 5-12
They all have web pages. Apologies if I missed someone!
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:27:34 EDT
From: Ricardo Moncada <LTDANCERAM@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Tango Festivals
Don't forget the
Fandango de Tango in Austin, TX Nov 26-30
www.learn2dance.com/fandango.htm">www.learn2dance.com/fandango.htm">www.learn2dance.com/fandango.htm
This will be our fifth year for this event.
Sincerely,
Ricardo Moncada, Pres.
Learn To Dance Austin
www.learn2dance.com
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:46:40 +0200
From: skoc <skoc@NOOS.FR>
Subject: Re: Tango Festivals
For those who don't know it yet, Istanbul is among the coolest tango spots
in Europe.
To see the events https://tangistan.danse-a-2.com
SK
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:07:40 +0000
From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Tango Festivals
And you missed ...
Portland's 7th annual TangoFest Oct 15-19.
J
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:38:56 -0700
From: Clay Nelson <claybird@TELEPORT.COM>
Subject: Re: Tango Festivals
And, don't forget Portland's 7th Annual TangoFest, Oct 15-19, 2003 (see
www.claysdancestudio.com)
Clay: claybird@teleport.com
Sue: balibree@yahoo.com
Phone: (206) 729-7268
Address: 1340 N 79th St Apt 101, Seattle, WA 98103
Web: www.claysdancestudio.com
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 01:36:31 -0300
From: Janis Kenyon <jantango@FEEDBACK.NET.AR>
Subject: Tango festivals
Keith started off a list of festivals and others were added.
I want to add another one. The travel time is longer to this one. This
festival has no specific dates. It has no schedule. The milongas are too
numerous to mention from the afternoon until early morning every day of the
week. The possibilities are endless--shows, concerts, theatre. There is no
advance registration required to attend. You don't have to stay in a hotel.
You can go whenever you want, for as long as you want. This festival is
tango in Buenos Aires. It's the only festival where you can watch the
milongueros dancing. It's where tango was born. This festival offers the
best dancing in the world.
Pichi de Buenos Aires
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:41:12 -0600
From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Tango Festivals in Buenos Aires
I just received an email announcing the World Tango Festivals IV and V,
February 1-8 and March 7-14, 2004. Of course, CITA is March 14-21, 2004.
I wonder if the market can support three such tango festivals in Buenos
Aires in such a short period of time.
--Steve
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:04:30 -0300
From: Alberto Gesualdi <clambat2001@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: Tango Festivals in Buenos Aires
I am a bit confused about Tango festivals in Buenos Aires, as far as I know, CITA will be on march 2004.
The town hall of Buenos Aires is pushing tango festivals in a frenzy mood I think . It is not clear wether the festival are sponsored with public funds, private funds, or if it is something not very clear, as it have been with previous Festivals . There is still pending to know how much cost to organize the Tango Festival of 2003 , there is no account of expenses reported at the website of the town hall ( I know , I know , I am extremely naive...)
And now there is the VI Tango Festival and II Wordl Dancing Championship of Dancers. I used " Wordl" expression because they are in such a hurry ( the organizers ) that they mispelled "World " at the website :)
The VI Tango festival will be from late february 2004 to early march 2004.
And the II championship of dancers during august 2004
The website (english) is https://www.festivaldetango.com.ar/e_index.htm
Maybe the Tango Festival IV and V mentioned by Stephen Brown are private warm ups for the II championship of dancers.
Something smells rotten in some place ........
There is joke this days that says
USA has Bob Hope, Stevie Wonder and John Cash.
The town hall of the city of Buenos Aires has no hope, no wonder , no cash :))
warm regards
alberto gesualdi
buenos aires
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:26:29 +0100
From: Christian Lüthen <christian.luethen@GMX.NET>
Subject: Re: Tango Festivals in Buenos Aires
Hola Alberto, hola Listeras y Listeros!
Being back from wonderful Portland Festival (and some more days of
nice tango in SanFran and Seattle) and still struggling with the
jetlag just a few words on Albertos interesting remarks.
On 29 Oct 2003 at 18:04, Alberto Gesualdi wrote:
> I am a bit confused about Tango festivals in Buenos Aires, as far as I
> know, CITA will be on march 2004.
correct. more at
https://www.tangodynamics.com/conindetanar.html
> And now there is the VI Tango Festival and II Wordl Dancing
> Championship of Dancers. I used " Wordl" expression because they are
> in such a hurry ( the organizers ) that they mispelled "World " at the
> website :)
the VI Tango Festival de la ciudad is definitely worth a mention.
this years 5th was wonderful ... gave me very nice memories of the
1st festival in dec. 1998 ... also Avenida Corrientes was closed for
traffic and for the dancers. very nice sphere.
> The VI Tango festival will be from late february 2004 to early march
> 2004. And the II championship of dancers during august 2004
>
> The website (english) is https://www.festivaldetango.com.ar/e_index.htm
but still surprising: the festival will end on a thursday! (???)
is that just an error? or true?
it would be fantastic if a local person [Alberto? :-) ] could enquire
on the spot to confirm or find out more!!! (please!!!)
> Maybe the Tango Festival IV and V mentioned by Stephen Brown are
> private warm ups for the II championship of dancers.
>
> Something smells rotten in some place ........
Those 'World Tango Festivals' aren't IMHO *no* real festivals but
just titels to bring tourist in town. or in other words: to take the
mone out of the pocket of people who will be made believe that this
is a festival!!!
my greatest apologizes but to my point of view these so called
'festivals' are just a marketing things ... that's all. :-( and I
consider this to be very sad!!!
my experience from more than 4 weeks Bs.As. in march/april this year:
the worst idea is to go to Bs.As. on an organized trip!!! local
argentinians willjust avoid those tourists! :-( tourist guides (money
makers) take them to the typical milongas ... correct ... but not on
the typical days!!! and on prices much to high! and I definitely
doubt that the local organizers will get a fair share on those too
high prices!!!
the tango tourist who really wants to explore will go alone!!! and go
to the milongas alone!!! (locals tend to come to the milongas at 2.30
am ... after the call for the (am.) tourists of 'festival XYZ tour'
to take the ready to leave bus back to the hotel at 2 am is long
forgotten.)
my excuses ... but I still tend to be honest ... and this is the
truth. :-)))
> P.S.:
> There is joke this days that says
> USA has Bob Hope, Stevie Wonder and John Cash.
> The town hall of the city of Buenos Aires has no hope, no wonder , no
> cash :))
:-((( tough! wished it would be the other way round!!!
greetz from r'dam!
christian
christian@eTanguero.net
https://www.eTanguero.net/
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:25:44 -0600
From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Re: Tango Festivals in Buenos Aires
I am afraid I can only contribute confusion.
In response to my query, Alberto Gesualdi references the International
Festival de Tango, February 28-March 4
https://www.festivaldetango.com.ar/e_index.htm
The email that I commented on is from World Tango Festival Events
https://www.worldtangofestival.com.ar/
Unfortunately, the webpage seems to be running behind the email
announcement and does not list the two festivals, February 1-8 and March
7-14, 2004.
With CITA, March 14-21, that makes four festivals in a two month period.
--Steve
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:35:06 +0100
From: Christian Lüthen <christian.luethen@GMX.NET>
Subject: Re: Tango Festivals in Buenos Aires
IMHO only the "festival de la ciudad"
https://www.festivaldetango.com.ar/e_index.htm
is an absolutely real festival.
even not C.I.T.A. is a real 'festival' ... but has one great and
important point: it gets the teachers in town! together. one might
argue that these intense gathering of teachers is a fruitful
enviroment for the teachers ... and later for the students! and
C.I.T.A. was one of the very first to come into town! therefore I do
not want to argue it.
'World Tango Festival' (pl.) are IMHO no festivals but tourist tours.
probably one planed, overbooked, second date added ... and not
intelligently enough immediately given a name counting up one!
(reminds me of software-versions: how lesser the (real) impact of
changes the higher the version-numbers get).
but, as allways: just my personal opinion/impression! :-)))
christian
On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:25, Stephen Brown wrote:
> I am afraid I can only contribute confusion.
>
> In response to my query, Alberto Gesualdi references the International
> Festival de Tango, February 28-March 4
> https://www.festivaldetango.com.ar/e_index.htm
>
> The email that I commented on is from World Tango Festival Events
> https://www.worldtangofestival.com.ar/ Unfortunately, the webpage seems
> to be running behind the email announcement and does not list the two
> festivals, February 1-8 and March 7-14, 2004.
>
> With CITA, March 14-21, that makes four festivals in a two month
> period.
>
> --Steve
>
christian@eTanguero.net
https://www.eTanguero.net/
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:25:19 -0300
From: Alberto Gesualdi <clambat2001@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: Tango Festivals in Buenos Aires
The fact is there will be four festivals in a short period of time, during february and march 2004.
The " Festival de la ciudad " www.festivaldetango.com.ar is ...... let s say sponsored , in some way, by the town hall of the city of Buenos Aires.
The other two events are private sponsors (World Tango Festival announcements commented in the posting of Stephen Brown )
And CITA 2004 is a regular event , also sponsored by private sponsors.
The main difference with "Festival de la ciudad" and the other festivals, is that being sponsored by the Town Hall authorities, means an automatic approval for the use of open spaces ( squares, streets, any open place of the city) .
The other festivals, if they want to use an open spaces for their activity, will have to ask beforehand a permission to the town hall, and it seems there will be a conflict of interests between the town hall and the private sponsors. So I think the other WorldTangoFestivals and CITA 2004 will be held indoor ,unless some agreement is made to share some events at open spaces .
It is a pity that so many events run so close together . For private sponsors, it is necessary to organize with several weeks ahead of the event, since they are compromising their financial interest and money.
For the Town Hall, it doesn t matter.Funds are public, there is no need to give explanations , there is no risk to loss , since there is not an account ox expenses presented after the event .... So the Major of Buenos Aires can do whatever he want , whenever he want .
It is bad to say this, but this is what happens.
Warm regards
Alberto Gesualdi
Buenos Aires
Christian_L|then <christian.luethen@GMX.NET> wrote:
IMHO only the "festival de la ciudad"
https://www.festivaldetango.com.ar/e_index.htm
is an absolutely real festival.
even not C.I.T.A. is a real 'festival' ... but has one great and
important point: it gets the teachers in town! together. one might
argue that these intense gathering of teachers is a fruitful
enviroment for the teachers ... and later for the students! and
C.I.T.A. was one of the very first to come into town! therefore I do
not want to argue it.
'World Tango Festival' (pl.) are IMHO no festivals but tourist tours.
probably one planed, overbooked, second date added ... and not
intelligently enough immediately given a name counting up one!
(reminds me of software-versions: how lesser the (real) impact of
changes the higher the version-numbers get).
but, as allways: just my personal opinion/impression! :-)))
christian
On 29 Oct 2003 at 15:25, Stephen Brown wrote:
> I am afraid I can only contribute confusion.
>
> In response to my query, Alberto Gesualdi references the International
> Festival de Tango, February 28-March 4
> https://www.festivaldetango.com.ar/e_index.htm
>
> The email that I commented on is from World Tango Festival Events
> https://www.worldtangofestival.com.ar/ Unfortunately, the webpage seems
> to be running behind the email announcement and does not list the two
> festivals, February 1-8 and March 7-14, 2004.
>
> With CITA, March 14-21, that makes four festivals in a two month
> period.
>
> --Steve
>
christian@eTanguero.net
https://www.eTanguero.net/
Usuario: yahoo; contraseqa: yahoo
Desde Buenos Aires: 4004-1010
Mas ciudades: clic aqum.
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 14:03:47 -0300
From: Alberto Gesualdi <clambat2001@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: Tango Festivals in Buenos Aires
Dear friends from Tango List
I made a consultation with Town Hall to check the dates for Tango Festival, and this is their answer
quote
"
Concerning your confusion of dates , this is the tango schedule for year 2004, related to the activities organized by the Programa Festivals of the city ( an office depending of the Secretary of Culture from the Government of the City of Buenos Aires):
Metropolitan championship : from January 15th to February 15th
VI Festival Buenos Aires Tango: from february 28th to march 4th
II World championship of Tango Dance: 14th to 22nd august
Cordially yours,
Pablo Messiez
Production - VI Festival Buenos Aires Tango
info@festivaldetango.com.ar
" "
unquote
There will be then ,two separate events , a Tango Festival , and the Worls campionship of Tango dance, with a previous event , the metropolitan championship, to select dancing couples to represent the city of Buenos Aires in this world championship on august 2004
Warm regards
Alberto Gesualdi
Buenos Aires
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 11:58:03 -0300
From: Alberto Gesualdi <clambat2001@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: Buenos Aires Tango Festivals - a clue
Dear friends from Tango list
I may have found a clue about why all the tango festivals , public and private, have been pressed into february and march 2003 .
Today arrives to the new Passengers Cruise Port Terminal Quinquela Martin, the first passengers cruise with tourists. It has been received (since the ship docked at 10 am) by national and town hall authorities. This ship is the Crystal Symphony, a luxury cruise . 59 more cruises have confirmed to the port authority, their arrival until March 20th 2004. They will bring 88.000 tourists with wallets and strong currency for expenditures. Among this ships, for the first time ever, the "Infinity" from Celebrity Cruises, an hyper luxury cruise.
New facilities at port terminal allow up to four cruises to be anchored, so this will be a boost for cruisers to come.
We have a walk yesterday sunday night with my fiancei alongside the pedestrian street Florida. There was an atmosphere of "Great expectation" , with all the shops opened , with leather goods, wines, regional articles.
And at new Piazzolla center at Galeria Guemes, there was also a sense of expectation. Prices to have a tango show , with dinner , at the luxury theater that the Piazzolla center has, are out of the question for natives: they are rated from usd 30 (show without dinner, ordinary table) to usd 80 (show with dinner, separate table in balcony) , per person.
At the Piazzolla4s cafe Triunfal, however, it is possible to sip a coffee by usd 2 , and have a nice dancing after 11 pm , in an extraordinary environment , with vitreaux and architecture details , including velvet everywhere, italian plaster craftaman ,and a dance floor made from glass bricks ( a bit slippery) .
There is a huge photography of Astor Piazzolla at the entrance of the Piazzolla center, taken from the movie where he work as an extra , a paperboy pointing to Gardel , Tito Lusiardo and some other guys with a policeman. There is no script below the photo, maybe now a legend could be inserted
" Look !!!! All the tourists are coming !!!! ":)
Warm regards
Alberto Gesualdi
Buenos Aires
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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:35:44 -0500
From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Dancing at Tango Festivals
Many of the people who attend tango festivals go for the dancing rather
than the instruction. The tricky part is that at the crowded milongas
associated with the big tango festivals, most people will dance with
people they already know. For those dancers who are not already well
known by the others, attending the classes is a great way to meet people
and break into the dancing.
--Steve
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 17:46:05 +0000
From: Oleh Kovalchuke <oleh_k@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Quality of instruction at tango festivals
It's a bit quiet here lately. How about starting a small flame battle on the
list (I prefer personally to battle with pillows but flames will work too)?
One of the reasons I didn t plan to take many classes at Austin festival was
selection of instructors. It is my perception that all of them, except Alex
Krebs, are more accomplished as performance than social dancers (notice the
"more" not "exclusively" qualifier). As a result they focus on teaching what
they know the best - the "wide and high" performance sequences/steps instead
of connection and communication (my favorite topics). The question I have is
this - do all 150 people who registered for the classes plan to perform on
stage? If not why take lessons from performing artists as opposed to social
dance instructors? There are quite a few actual teachers from the trenches,
who have years of experience teaching complete beginners in their
communities to dance socially both in US and abroad by now. I know because I
saw them in Denver.
I think the main reason is ignorance of beginners perpetuated by festival
organizers. Tom in Denver is an exception of course.
Cheers, Oleh K.
https://TangoSpring.com
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:39:53 -0500
From: Jason Laughlin <jason@TANGOPHILIA.COM>
Subject: Re: Quality of instruction at tango festivals
Perhaps, had you spent time in any of the classes (the vast majority of
which emphasized improvisation and social dancing skills instead of
"performance") you might have cured the obvious ignorance displayed
below and been able to spend a more enjoyable time dancing in Austin
instead of sitting around thinking of complaints.
Jason
Oleh Kovalchuke wrote:
> It's a bit quiet here lately. How about starting a small flame battle
> on the
> list (I prefer personally to battle with pillows but flames will work
> too)?
>
> One of the reasons I didn t plan to take many classes at Austin
> festival was
> selection of instructors. It is my perception that all of them, except
> Alex
> Krebs, are more accomplished as performance than social dancers
> (notice the
> "more" not "exclusively" qualifier). As a result they focus on
> teaching what
> they know the best - the "wide and high" performance sequences/steps
> instead
> of connection and communication (my favorite topics). The question I
> have is
> this - do all 150 people who registered for the classes plan to
> perform on
> stage? If not why take lessons from performing artists as opposed to
> social
> dance instructors? There are quite a few actual teachers from the
> trenches,
> who have years of experience teaching complete beginners in their
> communities to dance socially both in US and abroad by now. I know
> because I
> saw them in Denver.
>
> I think the main reason is ignorance of beginners perpetuated by festival
> organizers. Tom in Denver is an exception of course.
>
> Cheers, Oleh K.
> https://TangoSpring.com
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 01:29:59 +0000
From: Oleh Kovalchuke <oleh_k@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Quality of instruction at tango festivals
:)
>From: Jason Laughlin <jason@TANGOPHILIA.COM>
>Reply-To: Jason Laughlin <jason@TANGOPHILIA.COM>
>To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Quality of instruction at tango festivals
>Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 18:39:53 -0500
>
>Perhaps, had you spent time in any of the classes (the vast majority of
>which emphasized improvisation and social dancing skills instead of
>"performance") you might have cured the obvious ignorance displayed
>below and been able to spend a more enjoyable time dancing in Austin
>instead of sitting around thinking of complaints.
>
>Jason
>
>
>Oleh Kovalchuke wrote:
>
>>It's a bit quiet here lately. How about starting a small flame battle
>>on the
>>list (I prefer personally to battle with pillows but flames will work
>>too)?
>>
>>One of the reasons I didn t plan to take many classes at Austin
>>festival was
>>selection of instructors. It is my perception that all of them, except
>>Alex
>>Krebs, are more accomplished as performance than social dancers
>>(notice the
>>"more" not "exclusively" qualifier). As a result they focus on
>>teaching what
>>they know the best - the "wide and high" performance sequences/steps
>>instead
>>of connection and communication (my favorite topics). The question I
>>have is
>>this - do all 150 people who registered for the classes plan to
>>perform on
>>stage? If not why take lessons from performing artists as opposed to
>>social
>>dance instructors? There are quite a few actual teachers from the
>>trenches,
>>who have years of experience teaching complete beginners in their
>>communities to dance socially both in US and abroad by now. I know
>>because I
>>saw them in Denver.
>>
>>I think the main reason is ignorance of beginners perpetuated by festival
>>organizers. Tom in Denver is an exception of course.
>>
>>Cheers, Oleh K.
>>https://TangoSpring.com
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:20:08 -0700
From: Tom Stermitz <stermitz@TANGO.ORG>
Subject: US Tango Festivals Maturing
Tango Festivals are really maturing in the US. There are at least 12
each year.
Festival attendance of 400-500 is not unusual. You'll see crowded
Milongas of 300-400 or more people with good navigation and musicality.
Each year floorcraft improves.
The other sign of maturity is that there is now a community of fanatics
who follow a tango circuit. 15 or 30 people from one city will travel
together, bringing the festival energy back home. For example, you
probably have an overlap of 150 people between the Denver and Portland
festivals. As if that isn't enough dancing; you will run into these
fanatics at various other festivals in between.
In my opinion, the cause of the improvement is that the focus at many
of the festivals has turned toward social dancing rather than
step-collecting, stage, or athletic tango. Teachers are chosen who
focus on musicality, navigation and social dance skills.
The second change is that milongas are as much of a draw as the
classes. Half or more of the attendees come only for the milongas. Top
DJs from around the country are invited (and they are actually being
paid!)
Finally, prices are reasonable: Workshop+Milonga passes are in the
range of $100 - $140. A milonga-only pass might be only $20-60. Hotels
in some cities are $50-70/night.
Pretty good deal for 30-40 hours of great dancing over one weekend!
(I'm not saying that stage dancing is bad; its just that when I travel
for tango, my measure for a great tango weekend is lots of great social
dancers and great floorcraft, not watching someone else perform. There
are several, well-attended festivals in the US that invite a staff of
famous stage stars to teach & perform or focus specifically on the
Nuevo style. Niche marketing is a very good strategy!)
There are several inexpensive tango festivals in the US this Winter -
Spring that specifically emphasize social dancing, including Ann Arbor
(January), Portland (February & October), Washington (March), Atlanta
(April) and Denver (May & September).
Other festivals include: Miami (May), Boston (June), San Francisco
(July), Las Vegas (September), Austin (November).
Not to mention a number of special all-nighter weekends.
I apologize if I've missed one or two.
Tom Stermitz
https://www.tango.org
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:12:02 -0600
From: Hector <maselli@GATE.NET>
Subject: Re. US Tango Festivals Maturing
On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:00 AM, stermitz@TANGO.ORG wrote:
> I'm not saying that stage dancing is bad;
What you are saying is that in a country where 59 million plus people can be really, really dumb, there will be enough dumb fools like Oleh Cachucha who will buy the lie about Naveira, Salas, Balmaceda, Zotto, Pugliese, and many others superb maestros, being stage dancers or teachers of stage tango.
You are a master of bullshit who has managed to create a niche marketing for every cheap lazy bum who is not good enough to learn to dance tango the Argentinian way.
Enjoy the ride but spare us the gratuitous insults to everyone else with better intentions than yours.
Hector
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:24:20 +0000
From: Oleh Kovalchuke <oleh_k@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re. US Tango Festivals Maturing
Hector has revealed that Naveira, Salas, Balmaceda, Zotto, Pugliese do not
perform tango on stage:
>What you are saying is that [there are] enough dumb fools like Oleh
>Cachucha who will buy the lie about Naveira, Salas, Balmaceda, Zotto,
>Pugliese, and many others superb maestros, being stage dancers or teachers
>of stage tango.
And that only those who are good enough to spend sacks of money have a
chance to learn tango the Argentinean way:
>... a niche marketing for every cheap lazy bum who is not good enough to
>learn to dance tango the Argentinian way.
Now that you got it out of your system could you tell me how you really feel
about me?
Seriously though could you calm down a bit and attempt to describe the
Argentinean way of learning tango or dancing tango socially for that matter
and how is it different from close-embrace milonguero style?
One paragraph will suffice since I can tell that #1 you are not the kind of
person who likes to beat about the bush and #2 you are good enough, smart
enough, and doggone it, understand the Argentinean way.
Cheers, Oleh K., the hat
https://TangoSpring.com
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:38:11 -0800
From: Emir G <tangomir@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Re. US Tango Festivals Maturing
Very well said Hector! I totally agree with you!
I would understand if these people knew how to dance both; i.e: open, close, stage, social whatever... and choose dancing "close/social" .
but what are they doing? They can't do anything other than dancing "close/social" and they are writing shit about all those maestros all over. And unfortunately so many people are buying those bullshit and following them! I think that is even more sad than that.
Let me give you another example (which irritates me as much as the topic above): most tango dancers keep saying that tango is the hardest dance! How do they know? Most of them don't know any other dances. If you don't know anything other than tango, how can you judge that tango is the hardest??!
They are all part of their marketing to survive, to get the money of the people, to be the most "popular" etc...
Don't lie to people, do not talk like you know the best.
I can do whatever you are doing AND MUCH MORE THAN THAT!
Emir
P.S: I must add that I am not ignoring the good things that these people are doing but the bad things... Sometimes, it is hard to keep silent.
Hector <maselli@GATE.NET> wrote:On Dec 8, 2004, at 2:00 AM, stermitz@TANGO.ORG wrote:
> I'm not saying that stage dancing is bad;
What you are saying is that in a country where 59 million plus people can be really, really dumb, there will be enough dumb fools like Oleh Cachucha who will buy the lie about Naveira, Salas, Balmaceda, Zotto, Pugliese, and many others superb maestros, being stage dancers or teachers of stage tango.
You are a master of bullshit who has managed to create a niche marketing for every cheap lazy bum who is not good enough to learn to dance tango the Argentinian way.
Enjoy the ride but spare us the gratuitous insults to everyone else with better intentions than yours.
Hector
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:42:38 +0000
From: Oleh Kovalchuke <oleh_k@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re. US Tango Festivals Maturing
Emir made several curious and some valid statements:
Let's see...
#1
I would understand if these people knew how to dance both; i.e: open, close,
stage, social whatever... and choose dancing "close/social" .
You suggest here that everyone should perform on Broadway before they decide
if they like stage tango and choose to focus on social variety of the dance.
Well, it's an interesting concept, but I would argue that Broadway broad as
it is still a bit too small to accommodate most of aspiring tango dancers.
#2
...so many people are buying those bullshit and following them! I think that
is even more sad than that.
This is valid and commendable statement. People should dance their own
tango. But I saw Life of Brian and therefore join you in your well justified
sadness.
#3
Let me give you another example (which irritates me as much as the topic
above): most tango dancers keep saying that tango is the hardest dance! How
do they know?
The answer to this is of course in the previous statement #2. Some dancers
do dance other dances besides tango. They share there opinion and many
people repeat it. I personally find social tango to be very easy to dance
because there are so few restrictions. Once you understand the basics of
communication, it is very easy to lead and to follow.
#4
They are all part of their marketing to survive, to get the money of the
people, to be the most "popular" etc...
? Where does this come from? Would you send me $1000 in unmarked bills
because I wrote this message? Need to survive... Please?
#5
Don't lie to people,
I always find this reminder to be exceptionally timely and very refreshing.
One of the very much valid statements often footnoted to Bible.
#7
I can do whatever you are doing AND MUCH MORE THAN THAT!
#6
do not talk like you know the best.
It s not easy for me to reconcile statements #7 and #6. Among many questions
I have regarding combination of these two statements is this: how the heck
do you know what I am doing?
Cheers, Oleh K.
https://TangoSpring.com
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:12:30 +0900
From: astrid <astrid@RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP>
Subject: Re: Re. US Tango Festivals Maturing
> Don't lie to people, do not talk like you know the best.
> I can do whatever you are doing AND MUCH MORE THAN THAT!
>
> Emir
> P.S: I must add that I am not ignoring the good things that these people
are doing but the bad things... Sometimes, it is hard to keep silent.
I love it, this is even better than Herve. Thank you, Oleh, for proposing a
flame war to keep us entertained on a cold winter day, maybe it was not such
a bad idea after all..
Astrid
Avec W. le deluge
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:58:17 -0500
From: Darya Kucherova <kucherova@ROGERS.COM>
Subject: Re. US Tango Festivals Maturing
As a newcomer to the list I am very surprised at the fact that a flame can be started here by a very innocent statement of one's preference as far as tango style is concerned. And what a flame - insults brewed with sarcasm, and steamed with clever remarks on someone's command of written English prose. Dancers with as much experience as you appear to have, gentlemen, are usually aware of the whole range of views and possibilites, so does it really have to be a feud between the stage-fans, milonguero-fans, and nuevo-fans? Haven't we all been there?
The dabates on 'what tango REALLY is' or 'how tango is REALLY danced in B.A.' shall go on, I understand that, and find it very inspiring that there are still people who wish to define tango, even though their definition is likely to change with progress - which in inself is a great gift of tango - to be so multidimensional and fluid as to avoid definitions. Unfortunately, I have not yet had the pleasure to experience 'how it is really danced in B. A.' but judging by teachers and dancers coming from Argentina, there is quite a variety of style there as well... And there is an even greater variety out of Argentina, and I don't really agree that "the way it's danced in Argentina" should always be the overhanging eternal claim to the ultimate truth. There are other ways to claim legitimacy, and here we are, hopelessly out of Argentina, dancing Argentinian tango, and engaging into all sorts of experiments within the basic structure of the dance!
Dancers do have a tendency to specialize, that is understandable, and we all are (hopefully) allowed to have very personal whims. But the discussion of what is right or wrong in terms of style to me (a very personal whim ;-)) seems rather men... sorry, leader-oriented. Because a follower necessarily ends up learning to be versatile - how often do you hear an invitation to a dance which spells: "would you like to dance this lovely vals in tango-nuevo?"
Let's keep the Balance in the Force, gents! Shall we?
whimsically yours,
d.
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 03:02:41 +0100
From: ARCE Sebastian <arcetango@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: US Tango Festivals Maturing
Hi List (and Tom),
Tom, Let me tell you that you forgot to mention one Festival!
The Neo Tango Sacramento Festival (www.tango-renaissance.com). From April
28th to May 1st 2005.
With Sebastian Arce and Mariana Montes, Esteban Moreno and Claudia Codega,
and Pablo Inza and Moira Castellano. And more surprises.
This is the first time in this city that an event of this magnitud is going
to take place, yes! the very first time after over more than 10 years of
tango history in Sacramento! But let's be honest: what a great way to begin!
Don't you think?
This proves the point that there aren't only Festivals growing up in the
states but there are also Festivals that from the very beginning commit
themselves to give the quality teaching and programming that experienced and
even beginner dancers will highly appreciate.
Please, all of you check out the website for more detailed information about
the teachers and the progressive learning program that Tango Renaissance
offers with this first NEO TANGO SACRAMENTO FESTIVAL 2005.
Keep supporting Tango Festivals in the USA and all over the world!
El Tango se enriquece con el abrazo de cada ciudad, con cada milonga local,
con cada paso hacia lo que lo convierte en un arte popular.
Friendly,
Sebastian ARCE
Tango Renaissance
94 Av. de Paris 94800 Villejuif
Til.: + 33 6 07 52 39 28
https://www.tango-renaissance.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 9:20 PM
Subject: [TANGO-L] US Tango Festivals Maturing
> Tango Festivals are really maturing in the US. There are at least 12
> each year.
>
> Festival attendance of 400-500 is not unusual. You'll see crowded
> Milongas of 300-400 or more people with good navigation and musicality.
> Each year floorcraft improves.
>
> The other sign of maturity is that there is now a community of fanatics
> who follow a tango circuit. 15 or 30 people from one city will travel
> together, bringing the festival energy back home. For example, you
> probably have an overlap of 150 people between the Denver and Portland
> festivals. As if that isn't enough dancing; you will run into these
> fanatics at various other festivals in between.
>
>
> In my opinion, the cause of the improvement is that the focus at many
> of the festivals has turned toward social dancing rather than
> step-collecting, stage, or athletic tango. Teachers are chosen who
> focus on musicality, navigation and social dance skills.
>
> The second change is that milongas are as much of a draw as the
> classes. Half or more of the attendees come only for the milongas. Top
> DJs from around the country are invited (and they are actually being
> paid!)
>
> Finally, prices are reasonable: Workshop+Milonga passes are in the
> range of $100 - $140. A milonga-only pass might be only $20-60. Hotels
> in some cities are $50-70/night.
>
> Pretty good deal for 30-40 hours of great dancing over one weekend!
>
>
> (I'm not saying that stage dancing is bad; its just that when I travel
> for tango, my measure for a great tango weekend is lots of great social
> dancers and great floorcraft, not watching someone else perform. There
> are several, well-attended festivals in the US that invite a staff of
> famous stage stars to teach & perform or focus specifically on the
> Nuevo style. Niche marketing is a very good strategy!)
>
>
> There are several inexpensive tango festivals in the US this Winter -
> Spring that specifically emphasize social dancing, including Ann Arbor
> (January), Portland (February & October), Washington (March), Atlanta
> (April) and Denver (May & September).
>
> Other festivals include: Miami (May), Boston (June), San Francisco
> (July), Las Vegas (September), Austin (November).
>
> Not to mention a number of special all-nighter weekends.
>
> I apologize if I've missed one or two.
>
>
> Tom Stermitz
> https://www.tango.org
>
>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:09:58 +0000
From: Sebastian Arce <arcetango@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: US Tango Festivals Maturing
Hi List (and Tom),
Tom, Let me tell you that you forgot to mention one Festival!
The Neo Tango Sacramento Festival (www.tango-renaissance.com). From April
28th to May 1st 2005.
With Sebastian Arce and Mariana Montes, Esteban Moreno and Claudia Codega,
and Pablo Inza and Moira Castellano. And more surprises.
This is the first time in this city that an event of this magnitud is going
to take place, yes! the very first time after over more than 10 years of
tango history in Sacramento! But let's be honest: what a great way to begin!
Don't you think?
This proves the point that there aren't only Festivals growing up in the
states but there are also Festivals that from the very beginning commit
themselves to give the quality teaching and programming that experienced and
even beginner dancers will highly appreciate.
Please, all of you check out the website for more detailed information about
the teachers and the progressive learning program that Tango Renaissance
offers with this first NEO TANGO SACRAMENTO FESTIVAL 2005.
Keep supporting Tango Festivals in the USA and all over the world!
El Tango se enriquece con el abrazo de cada ciudad, con cada milonga local,
con cada paso hacia lo que lo convierte en un arte popular.
Friendly,
Sebastian ARCE
. Tango Renaissance
. 94 Av. de Paris 94800 Villejuif
. Til.: + 33 6 07 52 39 28
. https://www.tango-renaissance.com
----- Original Message -----
Wrom: ARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIBGDADRZFSQHY
To: <TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 9:20 PM
Subject: [TANGO-L] US Tango Festivals Maturing
>Tango Festivals are really maturing in the US. There are at least 12
>each year.
>
>Festival attendance of 400-500 is not unusual. You'll see crowded
>Milongas of 300-400 or more people with good navigation and musicality.
>Each year floorcraft improves.
>
>The other sign of maturity is that there is now a community of fanatics
>who follow a tango circuit. 15 or 30 people from one city will travel
>together, bringing the festival energy back home. For example, you
>probably have an overlap of 150 people between the Denver and Portland
>festivals. As if that isn't enough dancing; you will run into these
>fanatics at various other festivals in between.
>
>
>In my opinion, the cause of the improvement is that the focus at many
>of the festivals has turned toward social dancing rather than
>step-collecting, stage, or athletic tango. Teachers are chosen who
>focus on musicality, navigation and social dance skills.
>
>The second change is that milongas are as much of a draw as the
>classes. Half or more of the attendees come only for the milongas. Top
>DJs from around the country are invited (and they are actually being
>paid!)
>
>Finally, prices are reasonable: Workshop+Milonga passes are in the
>range of $100 - $140. A milonga-only pass might be only $20-60. Hotels
>in some cities are $50-70/night.
>
>Pretty good deal for 30-40 hours of great dancing over one weekend!
>
>
>(I'm not saying that stage dancing is bad; its just that when I travel
>for tango, my measure for a great tango weekend is lots of great social
>dancers and great floorcraft, not watching someone else perform. There
>are several, well-attended festivals in the US that invite a staff of
>famous stage stars to teach & perform or focus specifically on the
>Nuevo style. Niche marketing is a very good strategy!)
>
>
>There are several inexpensive tango festivals in the US this Winter -
>Spring that specifically emphasize social dancing, including Ann Arbor
>(January), Portland (February & October), Washington (March), Atlanta
>(April) and Denver (May & September).
>
>Other festivals include: Miami (May), Boston (June), San Francisco
>(July), Las Vegas (September), Austin (November).
>
>Not to mention a number of special all-nighter weekends.
>
>I apologize if I've missed one or two.
>
>
>Tom Stermitz
>https://www.tango.org
>
>
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:34:48 +0200
From: Mr tobias conradi <tobias_conradi@YAHOO.DE>
Subject: 100 Tango festivals in 2005
Today the 100th tango festival for 2005 was registered
at
https://festivals.tango.info .
Of course there might be more but nevertheless this is
a remarkable number, something that dancers might not
have assumed in the early 90s.
Best regards
Tobias
--
Tobias Conradi
https://tobiasconradi.com/tobias_conradi
https://eng.tango.info https://festivals.tango.info
https://reliquias.tango.info
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:26:18 -0500
From: Stephen.P.Brown@dal.frb.org
Subject: [Tango-L] Revised List of North American Tango Festivals
People have been kind enough to let me know that more complete information
about the Baltimore Tango Festival can be found on another website:
4th Annual Baltimore Tango Festival -- September 15-17 in Baltimore, MD
https://www.baltimoretangofest.com/
I have also dropped an apparently fictitious festival that exists only on
a website.
Below is a more accurate list of North American tango festivals with
announced dates for 2006.
(*s have been dropped to save the author (me) from needless criticism by
self-aggrandaizing clowns or organizers who were upset about not being
awarded a coveted *.)
As before, all dates shown are for 2006 dates. Check the individual
websites for announced 2007 dates.
With best regards,
Steve
=====North American Tango Festivals 2006======
4th Annual Michigan Tango Festival -- January 19-23 in Ann Arbor, MI
https://www.umich.edu/~umtango/events/festival-jan06/
Tangophilia Festival -- January 19-22 in Durham, NC
https://www.tangophilia.com/
9th Annual ValenTango -- February 17-19 in Portland, OR
https://www.claysdancestudio.com/
9th Annual Weekend of Tango -- February 17-19 in Tampa, FL
https://www.tampatango.com/
2nd Annual New Jersey Tango Extravaganza -- March 3-5 in Basking Ridge, NJ
https://www.tangoextravaganza.com/
5th Annual DC Tango Marathon -- March 16-19 in Washinton, DC
https://www.le-tango.com/
Yale TangoFest -- March 31 - April 2 in New Haven, CT
https://www.yaletangofest.com/
2nd Annual Atlanta Tango Social -- April 7-9 in Atlanta, GA
https://www.atlantatangofestival.com/
Chicago Mini Tango Festival -- April 21-23 in Chicago, IL
https://www.chicagotangofestival.com/
Neo-Tango Festival -- April 27-30 in Sacramento, CA
https://www.tango-renaissance.com/
May Madness -- May 11-15 in Ann Arbor, MI
https://www.umich.edu/~umtango/
Refinery Tango Festival -- May 18-21 in Champaign-Urbana, IL
https://www.refineyourself.com/dance.html
2nd Annual Toronto TangoFest -- May 19-21 in Toronto, ON
https://www.tangofest.ca/
Nuevo Tango Festival -- May 24-28 in Seattle, WA
https://www.nuevotangofestival.com/
6th Annual Memorial Day TangoFest -- May 24-29 in Denver, CO
https://www.tango.org/
3rd Annual Alternative Tango Festival -- May 26-29 in Providence, RI
https://www.providencetango.com/alternativefest/
10th Annual Tango Fantasy Festival -- May 26 - June 3 in Miami, FL
https://www.TangoFantasy.com/
KC Stone Soup Tango Festival -- June 2-4 in Kansas City. MO
https://www.ko-arts.com/soup.htm
2nd Annual Toronto International Tango Festival -- June 8-11 in Toronto,
ON
https://www.TorontoTangoFestival.com/
3rd Annual Boston Tango Festival -- June 14-18 in Boston, MA
https://www.bostontangofestival.com/
San Francisco Tango Exchange -- June 22-24 in San Francisco, CA
https://sftx.info/
Tango Joven -- June 30 - July 4 in Chicago, IL
https://www.tangojoven.net/
Fireworks on the Floor -- June 30 - July 4 in Ann Arbor, MI
https://www.umich.edu/~umtango/"
9th Annual Nora's Tango Week -- June 30 - July 8 in the San Francisco Bay
Area, CA
https://www.tangoweek.com/
New York City Summer Tango Festival -- July 27-30 in New York, NY
https://www.celebratetango.com/
Tango Fest Maui -- July 26-30 in Maui, HI
https://www.tangofestmaui.com/
3rd Annual Meet in the Middle Festival -- August 4-6 in Mt. Vernon, MO
https://thelearningdepot.com/murrays-1/tango-festival.htm
3rd Annual Seattle Summer TangoMagic -- August 10-14 in Seattle, WA
https://www.claysdancestudio.com/
1st Annual International Tango Fest -- August 24-27 in Chicago, IL
https://www.chicagotangofest.com/
7th Denver Labor Day TangoFest -- August 30 - September 4 in Denver, CO
https://www.tango.org/
Minnesota Heartland Tango Festival -- September 8-10 in Minneapolis, MN
https://www.heartlandtango.com/
4th Annual Baltimore Tango Festival -- September 15-17 in Baltimore, MD
https://www.baltimoretangofest.com/
5th El Aniversario del Medio Ocho -- September 22-25 in Ann Arbor, MI
https://www.umich.edu/~umtango/
3rd Annual Close Embrace Tango Fiesta -- October 13-15 in Urbana, IL
https://www.centraltango.com/
10th Annual Portland TangoFest -- October 18-22 in Portland, OR
https://www.claysdancestudio.com/
2nd Tango Sutra -- October 27-29 in Washington, DC
https://www.tangobarrio.com/tangosutra.html
2nd Tango de los Muertos -- November 2-5 in Boston, MA
https://www.tangodelosmuertos.com/
Los Angeles Tango Festival -- November 3-5 in Los Angeles, CA
https://losangelestangofestival.com/
8th Annual Fandango de Tango -- November 22-26, Austin, TX
https://www.learn2dance.com/fandango.htm
Hot Winter Tango Holiday Party -- December 8-10 in St. Louis, MO
https://www.gatewaytango.org/festival/
-fin-
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:06:05 -0400
From: mallpasso@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Revised List of North American Tango Festivals
Hi Steve:
Pity you're letting the clowns and self aggrandizing twits censor your list. If they want to post their own list because they disagree with yours, they should and shut up.
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen.P.Brown@dal.frb.org
Sent: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 10:26:18 -0500
Subject: [Tango-L] Revised List of North American Tango Festivals
People have been kind enough to let me know that more complete information
about the Baltimore Tango Festival can be found on another website:
4th Annual Baltimore Tango Festival -- September 15-17 in Baltimore, MD
https://www.baltimoretangofest.com/
I have also dropped an apparently fictitious festival that exists only on
a website.
Below is a more accurate list of North American tango festivals with
announced dates for 2006.
(*s have been dropped to save the author (me) from needless criticism by
self-aggrandaizing clowns or organizers who were upset about not being
awarded a coveted *.)
As before, all dates shown are for 2006 dates. Check the individual
websites for announced 2007 dates.
With best regards,
Steve
Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 12:24:34 -0500
From: "el turco" <shusheta@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Revised List of North American Tango Festivals
To: "Stephen.P.Brown@dal.frb.org" <Stephen.P.Brown@dal.frb.org>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
<3eeb80e0606151024t2eebfb3eu895c319275016b4a@mail.gmail.com>
The only reason i wrote my message was to prevent misguidance.Some events
offer different features than others, the focus varies as it should be, I'm
so happy to see so many events happening, dancers now have more options.
I respect and read whatever Steve posts,and his website is informative to
all and effective on many tango dancers. I only critised the method for
deciding what festival is for social dancing.
BTW: I didn't write my message as an organizer or upset feelings. I travel
alot for tango festivals around the country. I 've been travelling tango
festivals over 3 years almost every other weekend. I'm aware of many
festivals listed in Steve's message.
Therefore, I wanted to reflect my observations, festival experiences and
discussions with other tango dancers and organizers.
Bests,
Burak Ozkosem
Chicago
www.tangoshusheta.com
On 6/15/06, Stephen.P.Brown@dal.frb.org <Stephen.P.Brown@dal.frb.org> wrote:
>
> People have been kind enough to let me know that more complete information
> about the Baltimore Tango Festival can be found on another website:
>
> 4th Annual Baltimore Tango Festival -- September 15-17 in Baltimore, MD
> https://www.baltimoretangofest.com/
>
> I have also dropped an apparently fictitious festival that exists only on
> a website.
>
> Below is a more accurate list of North American tango festivals with
> announced dates for 2006.
> (*s have been dropped to save the author (me) from needless criticism by
> self-aggrandaizing clowns or organizers who were upset about not being
> awarded a coveted *.)
>
> As before, all dates shown are for 2006 dates. Check the individual
> websites for announced 2007 dates.
>
> With best regards,
> Steve
>
> =====North American Tango Festivals 2006======
>
> 4th Annual Michigan Tango Festival -- January 19-23 in Ann Arbor, MI
> https://www.umich.edu/~umtango/events/festival-jan06/
>
> Tangophilia Festival -- January 19-22 in Durham, NC
> https://www.tangophilia.com/
>
> 9th Annual ValenTango -- February 17-19 in Portland, OR
> https://www.claysdancestudio.com/
>
> 9th Annual Weekend of Tango -- February 17-19 in Tampa, FL
> https://www.tampatango.com/
>
> 2nd Annual New Jersey Tango Extravaganza -- March 3-5 in Basking Ridge, NJ
> https://www.tangoextravaganza.com/
>
> 5th Annual DC Tango Marathon -- March 16-19 in Washinton, DC
> https://www.le-tango.com/
>
> Yale TangoFest -- March 31 - April 2 in New Haven, CT
> https://www.yaletangofest.com/
>
> 2nd Annual Atlanta Tango Social -- April 7-9 in Atlanta, GA
> https://www.atlantatangofestival.com/
>
> Chicago Mini Tango Festival -- April 21-23 in Chicago, IL
> https://www.chicagotangofestival.com/
>
> Neo-Tango Festival -- April 27-30 in Sacramento, CA
> https://www.tango-renaissance.com/
>
> May Madness -- May 11-15 in Ann Arbor, MI
> https://www.umich.edu/~umtango/
>
> Refinery Tango Festival -- May 18-21 in Champaign-Urbana, IL
> https://www.refineyourself.com/dance.html
>
> 2nd Annual Toronto TangoFest -- May 19-21 in Toronto, ON
> https://www.tangofest.ca/
>
> Nuevo Tango Festival -- May 24-28 in Seattle, WA
> https://www.nuevotangofestival.com/
>
> 6th Annual Memorial Day TangoFest -- May 24-29 in Denver, CO
> https://www.tango.org/
>
> 3rd Annual Alternative Tango Festival -- May 26-29 in Providence, RI
> https://www.providencetango.com/alternativefest/
>
> 10th Annual Tango Fantasy Festival -- May 26 - June 3 in Miami, FL
> https://www.TangoFantasy.com/
>
> KC Stone Soup Tango Festival -- June 2-4 in Kansas City. MO
> https://www.ko-arts.com/soup.htm
>
> 2nd Annual Toronto International Tango Festival -- June 8-11 in Toronto,
> ON
> https://www.TorontoTangoFestival.com/
>
> 3rd Annual Boston Tango Festival -- June 14-18 in Boston, MA
> https://www.bostontangofestival.com/
>
> San Francisco Tango Exchange -- June 22-24 in San Francisco, CA
> https://sftx.info/
>
> Tango Joven -- June 30 - July 4 in Chicago, IL
> https://www.tangojoven.net/
>
> Fireworks on the Floor -- June 30 - July 4 in Ann Arbor, MI
> https://www.umich.edu/~umtango/"
>
> 9th Annual Nora's Tango Week -- June 30 - July 8 in the San Francisco Bay
> Area, CA
> https://www.tangoweek.com/
>
> New York City Summer Tango Festival -- July 27-30 in New York, NY
> https://www.celebratetango.com/
>
> Tango Fest Maui -- July 26-30 in Maui, HI
> https://www.tangofestmaui.com/
>
> 3rd Annual Meet in the Middle Festival -- August 4-6 in Mt. Vernon, MO
> https://thelearningdepot.com/murrays-1/tango-festival.htm
>
> 3rd Annual Seattle Summer TangoMagic -- August 10-14 in Seattle, WA
> https://www.claysdancestudio.com/
>
> 1st Annual International Tango Fest -- August 24-27 in Chicago, IL
> https://www.chicagotangofest.com/
>
> 7th Denver Labor Day TangoFest -- August 30 - September 4 in Denver, CO
> https://www.tango.org/
>
> Minnesota Heartland Tango Festival -- September 8-10 in Minneapolis, MN
> https://www.heartlandtango.com/
>
> 4th Annual Baltimore Tango Festival -- September 15-17 in Baltimore, MD
> https://www.baltimoretangofest.com/
>
> 5th El Aniversario del Medio Ocho -- September 22-25 in Ann Arbor, MI
> https://www.umich.edu/~umtango/
>
> 3rd Annual Close Embrace Tango Fiesta -- October 13-15 in Urbana, IL
> https://www.centraltango.com/
>
> 10th Annual Portland TangoFest -- October 18-22 in Portland, OR
> https://www.claysdancestudio.com/
>
> 2nd Tango Sutra -- October 27-29 in Washington, DC
> https://www.tangobarrio.com/tangosutra.html
>
> 2nd Tango de los Muertos -- November 2-5 in Boston, MA
> https://www.tangodelosmuertos.com/
>
> Los Angeles Tango Festival -- November 3-5 in Los Angeles, CA
> https://losangelestangofestival.com/
>
> 8th Annual Fandango de Tango -- November 22-26, Austin, TX
> https://www.learn2dance.com/fandango.htm
>
> Hot Winter Tango Holiday Party -- December 8-10 in St. Louis, MO
> https://www.gatewaytango.org/festival/
>
> -fin-
>
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:28:26 -0500
From: Stephen.P.Brown@dal.frb.org
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Revised List of North American Tango Festivals
After many years of highly active participation, I have been mostly absent
from Tango-L over the past two years.
Burak may have a point that identifying events as emphasizing social
dancing can be interpreted as partisan on Tango-L--particularly after all
the endless and pointless debates about salon, milonguero and nuevo tango
styles. Personally, I don't accept any of these styles as being
preferable. IMO, these so-called "styles" are dialects that have largely
resulted from incomplete learning.
To recapitulate an idea that I expressed on Tango-L some time ago:
>>I think there are three principal methods for learning Argentine tango:
step patterns, small elements, and structural systems. These three
approaches are analagous to three pedagogical approaches that are used in
learning to play jazz music. Learing step patterns is like learning to
play memorized pieces of music including complete compositions and the
solos played by great jazz artists. Learning small elements is like
learning to play in short tasty phrases. Learning structural systems are
like learning scales and chord progressions.
Those aspiring to play jazz study complete compositions and the solos
played by great artists, short tasty phrases and the scales and chord
progressions. No one would expect to develop sufficient skill in taking
only one of these three approahces.
In tango, however, many dancers develop most of their knowledge of the
dance through only one of the three principal approaches of learning
Argentine tango. What is the consequence? Those who only learn step
patterns often appear to show good depth of composition and form, but find
trouble with improvisation, navigation and rhythm. Those who only learn
small elements often have good navigational and rhythm skills, but the
dancing can lack a sense of composition, form, style or depth of
improvisation. It's just noodling. Those who only learn a structural
system understand a complex set of possibilities, but may lack form and
have trouble fitting the concepts to the available space or the rhythm of
the music.
With persistent work, many people will break through the limitations of
the method by which they learned tango, but I think it is much easier to
develop a well-rounded mastery by pursuing all three methods of
learning.<<
Personally, I dance in a community that is largely non-partisan with
regard to style (we prefer to keep or partisanship personal), and I have
the arrogance to consider myself not limited as to style. Consequently, I
really don't think about the highly partisan aspects of Tango-L. My
identification of festivals known for emphazising social dancing was
simply intended to refer to those festivals that emphasize milongas over
classes--as is underscored by the heavy reliance on instructors who lack
performance credentials to lift them to prominence, (Some of the nuevo
and nuevo-milonguero festivals don't neatly fit such classification.) Of
course, the people organizing the events that empasize affordable dancing
over instruction are marketing their events as being for social dancing.
That is what they have to offer.
With best regards,
Steve
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:49 +0100 (BST)
From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Revised List of North American Tango Festivals
Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com
Stephen wrote:
> there are three principal methods for learning Argentine
> tango: step patterns, small elements, and structural systems.
Those are merely three principle subjects of /instruction/.
> These three approaches are analagous to three pedagogical approaches ...
Sure, but note that pedagogy is instruction/teaching, not learning.
People, let's not mistake instruction for learning, and especially...
> Those who only learn step patterns often appear to show good depth of
> composition and form, but find trouble with improvisation, navigation and
> rhythm. Those who only learn small elements often have good navigational
> and rhythm skills, but the dancing can lack a sense of composition, form,
> style or depth of improvisation. It's just noodling. Those who only learn
> a structural system understand a complex set of possibilities, but may lack
> form and have trouble fitting the concepts to the available space or the
> rhythm of the music.
... let's not mistake dysfunction of instruction for dysfunction of learning.
Chris
-------- Original Message --------
*Subject:* Re: [Tango-L] Revised List of North American Tango Festivals
*From:* Stephen.P.Brown@dal.frb.org
*Date:* Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:28:26 -0500
After many years of highly active participation, I have been mostly absent
from Tango-L over the past two years.
Burak may have a point that identifying events as emphasizing social
dancing can be interpreted as partisan on Tango-L--particularly after all
the endless and pointless debates about salon, milonguero and nuevo tango
styles. Personally, I don't accept any of these styles as being
preferable. IMO, these so-called "styles" are dialects that have largely
resulted from incomplete learning.
To recapitulate an idea that I expressed on Tango-L some time ago:
>>I think there are three principal methods for learning Argentine tango:
step patterns, small elements, and structural systems. These three
approaches are analagous to three pedagogical approaches that are used in
learning to play jazz music. Learing step patterns is like learning to
play memorized pieces of music including complete compositions and the
solos played by great jazz artists. Learning small elements is like
learning to play in short tasty phrases. Learning structural systems are
like learning scales and chord progressions.
Those aspiring to play jazz study complete compositions and the solos
played by great artists, short tasty phrases and the scales and chord
progressions. No one would expect to develop sufficient skill in taking
only one of these three approahces.
In tango, however, many dancers develop most of their knowledge of the
dance through only one of the three principal approaches of learning
Argentine tango. What is the consequence? Those who only learn step
patterns often appear to show good depth of composition and form, but find
trouble with improvisation, navigation and rhythm. Those who only learn
small elements often have good navigational and rhythm skills, but the
dancing can lack a sense of composition, form, style or depth of
improvisation. It's just noodling. Those who only learn a structural
system understand a complex set of possibilities, but may lack form and
have trouble fitting the concepts to the available space or the rhythm of
the music.
With persistent work, many people will break through the limitations of
the method by which they learned tango, but I think it is much easier to
develop a well-rounded mastery by pursuing all three methods of
learning.<<
Personally, I dance in a community that is largely non-partisan with
regard to style (we prefer to keep or partisanship personal), and I have
the arrogance to consider myself not limited as to style. Consequently, I
really don't think about the highly partisan aspects of Tango-L. My
identification of festivals known for emphazising social dancing was
simply intended to refer to those festivals that emphasize milongas over
classes--as is underscored by the heavy reliance on instructors who lack
performance credentials to lift them to prominence, (Some of the nuevo
and nuevo-milonguero festivals don't neatly fit such classification.) Of
course, the people organizing the events that empasize affordable dancing
over instruction are marketing their events as being for social dancing.
That is what they have to offer.
With best regards,
Steve
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:03:39 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Buenos Aires Tango Festivals - Criticism
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
How about dancers from US?
Should they become members of Argentine Actors Association ( union ) in
order to be considered for "professional" category in a Tango competition?
Igor Polk
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:46:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Buenos Aires Tango Festivals - Criticism
To: Fantasia Sorenson <bichonheels@gmail.com>, Tango-L
Thanks, Fan. It seems to me that they could avoid the
problem by calling the categories "amateur/social" and
"open/bailarin" rather than use the word "professional".
So instead of designating the categories by job, it's more
by intent or skill level.
Thus, a couple like Los Dinzels, who are professional
teachers could compete in the Social category, and the Juan
Carlos Copes wannebees can be in the Open category.
Just a thought.
Trini de Pittsburgh
--- Fantasia Sorenson <bichonheels@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/19/07, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) <patangos@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't fully understand why the Argentine Actors Union
> > feel they would have a claim on "professional dancers".
> I
> > don't believe the Screen Actors Guild have a claim on
> the
> > professional ballroom dancers. I would think the
> publicity
> > dancers would get from the championship is pretty good
> > compensation enough.
>
>
> It's simply a case of being a little loose in the English
> phraseology.
> Performance unions don't have "claims" on professional
> performers. They're
> advocates and bargaining agents for the performers. The
> idea expressed in
> this op-ed is that if there were to be a distinction
> between amateur and
> professional, then the performers' bargaining agents
> would step in and try
> to negotiate compensation for the professionals who are
> under their
> representation.
>
> In this op-ed the author is expressing skepticism that
> the event
> coordinators would ever agree to that. Therefore, in the
> author's view, it
> is more likely that they'll continue to overlook the
> distinction between
> amateur and professional.
>
> My personal experience with friends who have been and are
> now in performing
> professions as that they are much happier receiving cold
> cash over mere
> "publicity".
>
> It's an interesting point to debate, though. Certainly
> there is a lot of
> sharing of free information on YouTube, for example, that
> brings returns to
> some people. On the other hand, if my actor friends knew
> that someone was
> going to make a profit selling DVDs of their images, they
> would want a piece
> of that right now. They wouldn't want to see somebody
> else making money off
> of them while they simply got "publicity" out of it.
>
> Fan
>
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