2788 Tango is a mature person's dance
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:10:12 +0000
From: Oleh Kovalchuke <oleh_k@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Tango is a mature person's dance
At the end of Hyla's post on remedy for stiff back there was tucked in a
paragraph worth repeating:
Tango is a mature person's dance, it is for me the antidote to the youth
cult that we have in the US. A lot of those fabulous women dancers in
Argentina and elsewhere are older, have lived through a lot, and have
learned to be here, be heavy, make no apologies, don't try to be so perfect,
so easy, so compliant. They are in touch with their centers, their emotions,
they are grounded. These women, whether young or old, do not try to fly away
on the tippy toes. They are right there with their leads, listening,
answering back, challenging, agreeing, becoming full partners in the making
of something beautiful, rather than merely empty vessels waiting to be
filled with the lead's brilliance. Some dance on a more pointed foot, some
on a flatter foot; some have "stiff backs", some don't; some give a lot of
resistance to the lead, some don't, but they all have maturity and depth and
full personalities. I am glad that since I have no desire to get any younger
(anyone here really want to repeat high school?), there are some things that
I might be able to get better at, as I get older. Tango, as far as I am
concerned, is one of them.
If you look at the list of tango connections I have experienced you may
notice that they reflect essentially different kind of personalities, which
of course go long ways ((C) Pulp Fiction), especially in tango. This brings
me to a question: "How do you define a good (social) tango dancer?".
Cheers, Oleh K.
https://TangoSpring.com
>From: H Dickinson <hyladlmp@YAHOO.COM>
>Reply-To: H Dickinson <hyladlmp@YAHOO.COM>
>To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: [TANGO-L] stiff backs & tippy toes
>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:34:10 -0700
>
>There are a lot of ways and reasons backs can get
>stiff--when dancing tango, or otherwise--and lots of
>ways that are useful for different people to relieve
>the stiffness.
...
>Tango is a mature person's dance, it is for me the
>antidote to the youth cult that we have in the US. A
>lot of those fabulous women dancers in Argentina and
>elsewhere are older, have lived through a lot, and
>have learned to be here, be heavy, make no apologies,
>don't try to be so perfect, so easy, so compliant.
>They are in touch with their centers, their emotions,
>they are grounded. These women, whether young or old,
>do not try to fly away on the tippy toes. They are
>right there with their leads, listening, answering
>back, challenging, agreeing, becoming full partners in
>the making of something beautiful, rather than merely
>empty vessels waiting to be filled with the lead's
>brilliance. Some dance on a more pointed foot, some
>on a flatter foot; some have "stiff backs", some
>don't; some give a lot of resistance to the lead, some
>don't, but they all have maturity and depth and full
>personalities. I am glad that since I have no desire
>to get any younger (anyone here really want to repeat
>high school?), there are some things that I might be
>able to get better at, as I get older.
>Tango, as far as I am concerned, is one of them. It
>can also, if you approach it right, actually be good
>for your back, instead of ruining it.
>
>Hyla
>
>
>
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:20:41 -0400
From: Clint Rauscher <clint@AXIALPARTNERS.COM>
Subject: Re: Tango is a mature person's dance
> Tango is a mature person's dance, it is for me the antidote to the youth
> cult that we have in the US.
Hmmm..
Mature adj.
- "Having reached full natural growth or development"
- "No longer subject to great expansion or development"
According to the proper definition of mature, I hope to never be a mature
dancer. I hope that there is always going to be something new and exciting
to learn. New music to dance to. New moves to try. New partners to
experience.
Sounds like a mature tango community would be awfully dull to me. Everyone
doing the same moves and listing to the same music week after week after
week.
BUT.. I am assuming that they are referring to this definition:
I am not sure if that was the definition of mature that the original poster
intended.. I think they were more trying to refer to age than maturity. I
would also disagree with that definition.
I wonder how many of those "mature" dancers started dancing in their 20's or
30's and therefore are now "mature" dancers.
If there were no young dancers, who would go on to become the "mature"
dancers?
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:30:35 -0400
From: Clint Rauscher <clint@AXIALPARTNERS.COM>
Subject: FW: [TANGO-L] Tango is a mature person's dance
Sorry about the earlier posting.. I pressed some key combination that sent
the email before it was finished.
> Tango is a mature person's dance, it is for me the antidote to the youth
> cult that we have in the US.
Hmmm..
Mature adj.
- "Having reached full natural growth or development"
- "No longer subject to great expansion or development"
According to the proper definition of mature, I hope to never be a mature
dancer. I hope that there is always going to be something new and exciting
to learn. New music to dance to. New moves to try. New partners to
experience.
Sounds like a mature tango community would be awfully dull to me. Everyone
doing the same moves and listing to the same music week after week after
week.
BUT.. I am assuming that the original poster was referring to this
definition:
- Suitable or intended for adults: mature subject matter.
- Composed of adults: a mature audience.
I guess this all depends on what adult means. What got me going on that
email was references to "youth cult" and "empty vessels". It sounds like
they want to say something but I am not sure what it is they are wanting to
say.
I wonder how many of those "mature" dancers started dancing in their 20's or
30's and therefore are now "mature" dancers.
If there were no young dancers, who would go on to become the "mature"
dancers?
All the best,
Clint
clint@axialpartners.com
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:22:00 +0000
From: Oleh Kovalchuke <oleh_k@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: FW: [TANGO-L] Tango is a mature person's dance
Clint Rauscher wrote:
>BUT.. I am assuming that the original poster was referring to this
>definition:
>
>- Suitable or intended for adults: mature subject matter.
>- Composed of adults: a mature audience.
Mature... In tango context I refer to these definitions:
* Of, relating to, or characteristic of full development, either mental or
physical: "mature for her age".
* Worked out fully by the mind; considered: "a mature plan of action".
Considered is probably the most critical part of these two definitions - one
has many points of reference and understands and tolerates many things,
which previously could have been unacceptable (very well described in the
Polly's and Hyla's posts). Considering considered definition the usage
example: "mature for her age" also rings true - reference to age is tenuous:
not every old person is mature (here I would disagree with Hyla), even
though many young people are immature.
Cheers, Oleh K., maturing even as I write this
https://TangoSpring.com
>From: Clint Rauscher <clint@AXIALPARTNERS.COM>
>Reply-To: clint@axialpartners.com
>To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: [TANGO-L] FW: [TANGO-L] Tango is a mature person's dance
>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:30:35 -0400
>
>Sorry about the earlier posting.. I pressed some key combination that sent
>the email before it was finished.
>
> > Tango is a mature person's dance, it is for me the antidote to the youth
> > cult that we have in the US.
>
>Hmmm..
>
>Mature adj.
> - "Having reached full natural growth or development"
> - "No longer subject to great expansion or development"
>
>According to the proper definition of mature, I hope to never be a mature
>dancer. I hope that there is always going to be something new and exciting
>to learn. New music to dance to. New moves to try. New partners to
>experience.
>
>Sounds like a mature tango community would be awfully dull to me. Everyone
>doing the same moves and listing to the same music week after week after
>week.
>
>BUT.. I am assuming that the original poster was referring to this
>definition:
>
>- Suitable or intended for adults: mature subject matter.
>- Composed of adults: a mature audience.
>
>I guess this all depends on what adult means. What got me going on that
>email was references to "youth cult" and "empty vessels". It sounds like
>they want to say something but I am not sure what it is they are wanting to
>say.
>
>I wonder how many of those "mature" dancers started dancing in their 20's
>or
>30's and therefore are now "mature" dancers.
>
>If there were no young dancers, who would go on to become the "mature"
>dancers?
>
>All the best,
>
>Clint
>clint@axialpartners.com
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:34:12 -0500
From: "Christopher L. Everett" <ceverett@CEVERETT.COM>
Subject: Re: FW: [TANGO-L] Tango is a mature person's dance
Oleh Kovalchuke wrote:
> Clint Rauscher wrote:
>
>> BUT.. I am assuming that the original poster was referring to this
>> definition:
>>
>> - Suitable or intended for adults: mature subject matter.
>> - Composed of adults: a mature audience.
>
I like what one person told me once: Tango isn't done in primary colors,
like in kindergarten (school for toddlers). All too many inexperienced
only know primary colors.
--
Christopher L. Everett
Chief Technology Officer www.medbanner.com
MedBanner, Inc. www.physemp.com
