2606 Tango teachers in Switzerland
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:38:36 +0200
From: B?IkVjc2VkeSDBcm9uIiA?= <aron@MILONGA.HU>
Subject: Tango teachers in Switzerland
Dear Tangeuro/as,
I was recently asked by a Hungarian friend travelling to study in
Switzerland where could she find a fine tango teacher in Basel or
Zurich.
She prefers the style danced by Gavito, Naveira etc. (Tango Nuevo) and
would prefer a teacher who is professional in attitude, but attentive
enough.
Please, if any of you know teachers working in that area (attended their
lessons) drop me line with a name and website URL/address of the
studio/phone number and few lines about your experiences with them.
Obviously, I'd be more interested in your opinion about the teachers
rather than just the names/addresses (those are available on the
internet).
Thank you!
Cheers,
Aron
from Hungary
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:55:40 -0300
From: Rubén Carlos Terbalca <rubenmilonga@SINECTIS.COM.AR>
Subject: Fw: [TANGO-L] Tango teachers in Switzerland
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Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Tango teachers in Switzerland
> In Switzerland , a very good teacher is Leo Flumini-- phone
:41-1-363-8319
> Friendly, like Italian. Professional, like a Swiss.-
> gotan@dplanet.ch
>
> Critics: MOUSTACHE
> Ruben "Milonga"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ecsedy Áron" <aron@MILONGA.HU>
> To: <TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:38 AM
> Subject: [TANGO-L] Tango teachers in Switzerland
>
>
> Dear Tangeuro/as,
>
> I was recently asked by a Hungarian friend travelling to study in
> Switzerland where could she find a fine tango teacher in Basel or
> Zurich.
>
> She prefers the style danced by Gavito, Naveira etc. (Tango Nuevo) and
> would prefer a teacher who is professional in attitude, but attentive
> enough.
>
> Please, if any of you know teachers working in that area (attended their
> lessons) drop me line with a name and website URL/address of the
> studio/phone number and few lines about your experiences with them.
> Obviously, I'd be more interested in your opinion about the teachers
> rather than just the names/addresses (those are available on the
> internet).
>
> Thank you!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Aron
> from Hungary
>
DU.
>
>
>
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:45:37 -0300
From: Rubén Carlos Terbalca <rubenmilonga@SINECTIS.COM.AR>
Subject: Re: Tango teachers in Switzerland
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Dear Áron,
check Leo Flumini (Zurich) : ++ 41-1-363-8319, mail to:
gotan@dplanet.ch
This man has intensive training in BsAs. (with non commercial milongueros
teachers) speaks fluent Spanish and English, German and Italian.-
Patient, preciss, clear in each style and deeply honest. When he don't find
possibilities to work with a student. Quiqly he refuse to take money-- 20
years dancing in Europe and BsAS. and a Ethic Person.-
Ruben "Milonga"
----- Original Message ----From: "Ecsedy Áron" <aron@MILONGA.HU>
To: <TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:38 AM
Subject: [TANGO-L] Tango teachers in Switzerland
Dear Tangeuro/as,
I was recently asked by a Hungarian friend travelling to study in
Switzerland where could she find a fine tango teacher in Basel or
Zurich.
She prefers the style danced by Gavito, Naveira etc. (Tango Nuevo) and
would prefer a teacher who is professional in attitude, but attentive
enough.
Please, if any of you know teachers working in that area (attended their
lessons) drop me line with a name and website URL/address of the
studio/phone number and few lines about your experiences with them.
Obviously, I'd be more interested in your opinion about the teachers
rather than just the names/addresses (those are available on the
internet).
Thank you!
Cheers,
Aron
from Hungary
.
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:41:59 +0200
From: Petra Starmans <petra.starmans@BEFREE.CH>
Subject: Re: Tango teachers in Switzerland
Dear requester
Regarding your request for good tango teachers in Switzerland, and as a
resident of Zurich and tanguera since 12 years I must react with regard to
postings made here recently.
I am sure, recommendations made for Leo Flumini are sincere and well-meant,
yet in my opinion, with regard to your request for teachers in the Naveira
tradition, completely without any relevance for you. Leo Flumini and his
wife specialise on the elder styles of tango, especially tango canyengue.
I would advise you to try Cecile and Romeo Orsini of the Tangoschule Basel
(www.tangobasel.ch), with 15 years of experience, organisers of the yearly
Basle Tangofestival and in close cooperation with Gustavo, Chicho, Julio y
Corina etc. for many years now.
In Zurich in view of your wishes I would recommend Martin and Ose, Martin
y Claudia, Luca Valeri or Karin Schneider and Rhea Baer. Adresses, mail and
phone numbers to be found on
https://www.tangotanzen.ch/tango-anbieter/zuerich.htm (german only)
Wish you a lot of fun and success.
Petra
--
Petra Starmans
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 03:17:23 -0500
From: pablo gracia <tangopablo@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: ARGENTINA OPINION--- Tango teachers in Switzerland
Dear Ecsedy Aron,
Is very good to have different recomendations to give the chance to choose to the students.I agree totally with that opportunity.-
Nowadays , (sincere and well meant) foreign people "know more" about tango argentino then the Argentinos like me.....and are judgers in tango and teaching, because they follow "business festivals" (in good faith, but innocents).-
By they "need" to "React" about Buenos Aires information. Sincere and well meant.-
Is important to know that between "Milongueros" in BsAs you can not find "FESTIVALS" LIKE A PART OF OUR CULTURE. May be for tourists....-
Somebody with 12 years tango in Zurich gives an opinion about a dancer/teacher to start 20 years ago with Copes and others rooth tango people in BUENOS AIRES,also in Europe with Gustavo Naveira Pepito Avellaneda,Balmaceda y dela Rosa, Tete, etc. But him was lerning the argentino way in Argentina,here , out of the European tango business (cassualy she does't mention Gavito who was a very involved in old Tango tradition way from Buenos Aires).-
Any way , I am a limited person from BsAires, I don't follow festivals , my limitation is to know TANGO FROM BUENOS AIRES, NOT FROM FOREIGN FESTIVALS .-
I repeat: Leo Flumini understand the difference between the styles and is a non commercial teacher.-
It is not a opinion about the other recommended teachers, which could be good and be oppened to the interested students.-
The commic point is that you can find in this server information from Buenos Aires ( 2 persons from ), where a lot of people recognized Leo like authentic tango dancer ( he knows 4 styles, and don4t teach all)....or choose information from people that learn tango in Europe.
(might be Europe is the reference of the tango??)
My opinionis : the student must choose between all the offer and select the best for him.-
Cheers
Pablo from BUENOS AIRES
> Dear requester
>
> Regarding your request for good tango teachers in Switzerland, and as a
> resident of Zurich and tanguera since 12 years I must react with regard to
> postings made here recently.
>
> I am sure, recommendations made for Leo Flumini are sincere and
well-meant,
> yet in my opinion, with regard to your request for teachers in the Naveira
> tradition, completely without any relevance for you. Leo Flumini and his
> wife specialise on the elder styles of tango, especially tango canyengue.
>
> I would advise you to try Cecile and Romeo Orsini of the Tangoschule Basel
> (www.tangobasel.ch), with 15 years of experience, organisers of the yearly
> Basle Tangofestival and in close cooperation with Gustavo, Chicho, Julio y
> Corina etc. for many years now.
>
> In Zurich in view of your wishes I would recommend Martin and Ose,
Martin
> y Claudia, Luca Valeri or Karin Schneider and Rhea Baer. Adresses, mail
and
> phone numbers to be found on
>
> https://www.tangotanzen.ch/tango-anbieter/zuerich.htm (german only)
>
> Wish you a lot of fun and success.
>
> Petra
>
> --
> Petra Starmans
>
Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, Amirica Latina y el resto del Mundo.
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:37:00 +0200
From: Petra Starmans <petra.starmans@BEFREE.CH>
Subject: Re: ARGENTINA OPINION--- Tango teachers in Switzerland
Dear list
Dear Pablo
I knew that with sending my posting I was treading unsafe grounds..
> Nowadays , (sincere and well meant) foreign people "know more" about tango
> argentino then the Argentinos like me.....and are judgers in tango and
> teaching, because they follow "business festivals" (in good faith, but
> innocents).-
Sorry, Pablo, you do not know anything about which road I took in tango.
> By they "need" to "React" about Buenos Aires information. Sincere and well
> meant.-
> Is important to know that between "Milongueros" in BsAs you can not find
> "FESTIVALS" LIKE A PART OF OUR CULTURE. May be for tourists....-
> Somebody with 12 years tango in Zurich gives an opinion about a dancer/teacher
> to start 20 years ago with Copes and others rooth tango people in BUENOS
> AIRES,also in Europe with Gustavo Naveira Pepito Avellaneda,Balmaceda y dela
> Rosa, Tete, etc. But him was lerning the argentino way in Argentina,here ,
> out of the European tango business (cassualy she does't mention Gavito who was
> a very involved in old Tango tradition way from Buenos Aires).-
Sorry, Pablo, I gave no opinion upon Leo Flumini, I only remarked that as
the question was asked regarding teachers in a specific style, there are
other teachers here which are more adequate to that style...
> Any way , I am a limited person from BsAires, I don't follow festivals , my
> limitation is to know TANGO FROM BUENOS AIRES, NOT FROM FOREIGN FESTIVALS .-
> I repeat: Leo Flumini understand the difference between the styles and is a
> non commercial teacher.-
Me, I also understand differences between styles. I also understand which
teacher is specialised at teaching which styles. And I myself would never
teach a style to others that I do not know very well or seldom practise
myself. I just know practically all teachers from Zurich and Basel, so maybe
am more in a position to give information about TANGO FROM SWITZERLAND, and
Ecsedy requested information about teachers in SWITZERLAND. His friend is
not traveling to Buenos Aires..
You do not have that overview of the situation here, why react so strongly
on my opinion here?
> It is not a opinion about the other recommended teachers, which could be good
> and be oppened to the interested students.-
> The commic point is that you can find in this server information from Buenos
> Aires ( 2 persons from ), where a lot of people recognized Leo like authentic
> tango dancer ( he knows 4 styles, and don4t teach all)....or choose
> information from people that learn tango in Europe.
I am convinced Leo is an authentic dancer. I also know Ruben personally and
know he is an authentic dancer. On his first trip to Switzerland, he even
stayed in my house in Zurich.
> (might be Europe is the reference of the tango??)
Tango-L is a worldwide list of people interested in and devoted to tango.
For questions asked on this list, the requester supposes list participants
all can be a reference of tango, wherever they are from. Otherwise, this
list is senseless.
> My opinionis : the student must choose between all the offer and select the
> best for him.-
Therefore, I did not mention only one teacher, but I mentioned several
persons.
All of you be well and fine
Petra
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:28:34 +0200
From: Petra Starmans <petra.starmans@BEFREE.CH>
Subject: Re: ARGENTINA OPINION--- Tango teachers in Switzerland
Dear List
Today Leo Flumini from Zurich asked me to correct my statements about him
and so I gladly add to my description of his specialities that he and his
wife know several styles and that they are not only specialized in tango
canyengue but in several other styles, especially also tango apilado /
milonguero style.
With my recommendations for other Zurich and Basel based teachers, which I
in my personal opinion see as closer to the Tango Nuevo style, I did not
intend to hurt their feelings, nor diminish their qualities or
professionalism.
Hopefully everybody between us will find what he or she is looking for..
Have a nice day all of you.
--
Petra Starmans
Honrainweg 11
CH-8038 Zürich
Switzerland
tel/fax: + 41 (0)1 262 06 55
e-mail: petra.starmans@befree.ch
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:21:39 -0400
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: ARGENTINA OPINION--- Tango teachers in Switzerland
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: Petra Starmans <petra.starmans@BEFREE.CH>
>Dear List
>With my recommendations for other Zurich and Basel based teachers, which I
i>n my personal opinion see as closer to the Tango Nuevo style, I did not
i>ntend to hurt their feelings, nor diminish their qualities or
>professionalism.
>--
>Petra Starmans
Hi Petra,
From my part, I don't thinkyou insulted or denigrated anybody. If I remmber
correctly, the original question was about teachers of the style of Fabian,
Gustavo, Chicho, etc. And you were correct in recommending those teachers.
If the question would have been about apilado style, I'm sure you would have
made other recommendations.
It's unfortunate that you got admonished for something you did not do! I
hope all is well with you and I send you greetings and good wishes from
Atlanta!
BTW, I still remember with fondness the great time we had with you in Davos
at the Sky-Tango event you organized. :)
Cheers,
Manuel
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:57:56 -0300
From: AptoBsAs <aptobsas@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: TANGO TEACHERS IN SWITZERLAND
Dear Ecsedy Aron,
Is better when the people is modest, and to speak just about dancers they
really know.-
Everybody has the right to advertise her / his prefer European teachers.
But when the adviser ignores about the skill from a person like LEO FLUMINI
20 years Tango experience.... ( possible,
watching exhibitions...).
Leo was trained in Bs.Aires ,out of that, Leo had classes with Gustavo
Naveira,Pepito Avellaneda, Julio Balmaceda, Corina de la Rosa, and a lot of
the teachers that usually cross Switzerland.-
This person (the writer) make my suppose her never
has classes with him or frequent his practicas. And You ask about
"personal experiences" and this is not intellectually honest if somebody
spent opinions about and never takes his classes
.-. -12 years buying shows and festivals is not a background to judge.-
Leo Flumini teach "Tango Argentino" (ARGENTINO WAY--NON COMMERCIAL WAY)
I know the background of Leo Flumini, here in Buenos Aires---really deep
knowledge from Tango Argentino - Buenos Aires.-NOT FROM SWITZERLAND
For the person to talk about teachers: please, jus talk about the "fabulous
festival teachers" that do you know....
But could be good to know the Tango Argentino Way...=...Feeling--not show
business,. (You mention Gavito...for some arson was not mentioned in the
"misrecomendation....taking about "Tango Nuevo")
And remember: Hollywood an Broadway are very far away from Buenos
Aires...Buenos Aires is close from the heart and very far away from the
festival consumers.-
I never will give an negative opinion about the other recommended teachers
for ethic
reasons,
because I don't use to criticize people that I doesn't know sufficient. And
I expect they
are very good in the European technical way and I recommend the students to
check as much teachers as is possible
In other words....
Warmly
Cecilia
FROM BUENOS AIRES (not from Hollywood)
N.: I know that my comment is the 3rd from Buenos Aires.
N2: I agree with the publisher: each person must find the self teacher
without previous disqualification.
the censure is just part of the ignorance an Inquisition
The excuses are a good end for this mistake.-
LEO FLUMINI- mailto: gotan@dplanet.ch
++41-1-363-8319
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Petra Starmans" <petra.starmans@BEFREE.CH>
> > To: <TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 3:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Tango teachers in Switzerland
> >
> >
> > > Dear requester
> > >
> > > Regarding your request for good tango teachers in Switzerland, and as
a
> > > resident of Zurich and tanguera since 12 years I must react with
regard
> to
> > > postings made here recently.
> > >
> > > I am sure, recommendations made for Leo Flumini are sincere and
> > well-meant,
> > > yet in my opinion, with regard to your request for teachers in the
> Naveira
> > > tradition, completely without any relevance for you. Leo Flumini and
his
> > > wife specialise on the elder styles of tango, especially tango
> canyengue.
> > >
> > > I would advise you to try Cecile and Romeo Orsini of the Tangoschule
> Basel
> > > (www.tangobasel.ch), with 15 years of experience, organisers of the
> yearly
> > > Basle Tangofestival and in close cooperation with Gustavo, Chicho,
Julio
> y
> > > Corina etc. for many years now.
> > >
> > > In Zurich in view of your wishes I would recommend Martin and Ose,
> > Martin
> > > y Claudia, Luca Valeri or Karin Schneider and Rhea Baer. Adresses,
mail
> > and
> > > phone numbers to be found on
> > >
> > > https://www.tangotanzen.ch/tango-anbieter/zuerich.htm (german only)
> > >
> > > Wish you a lot of fun and success.
> > >
> > > Petra
> > >
> > > --
> > > Petra Starmans
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 00:45:42 -0500
From: pablo gracia <tangopablo@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: ORIGINAL QUESTION, AND SOME COMMENTS "PART 1"-Tango teachers in Switzerland
DEAR LIST
EXCUSE THE CAPITOLS , JUST TO MAKE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY COMMENTS AND THE ORIGINAL ARON INFORMATION
"Ecsedy Aron" <aron@MILONGA.HU> wrote:
From "Ecsedy Aron" Wed Aug 4 04:38:36 2004
Fecha: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:38:36 +0200
De: "Ecsedy Aron"
Asunto: [TANGO-L] Tango teachers in Switzerland
Para: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Dear Tangeuro/as,
I was recently asked by a Hungarian friend travelling to study in
Switzerland where could she find a fine tango teacher in Basel or
Zurich.
She prefers the style danced by Gavito /AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FIRST NAME WAS GAVITO, NOT TANGO NUEVO/, Naveira etc. (Tango Nuevo) and
would prefer a teacher who is professional in attitude, but attentive
enough.
Please, if any of you know teachers working in that area (attended their
lessons) drop me line with a name and website URL/address of the
studio/phone number and few lines about your experiences with them /AS YOU CAN SEE PETRA DON'T MENTION SELF EXPERIENCE ABOUT FLUMINI., AND AFTER SHE EXCUSE HERSELF BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T MENTION OTHER STYLES THIS TEACHER USE TO (APILADO FOR INSTANCE, LIKE GAVITO)./
Obviously, I'd be more interested in your opinion about the teachers /ARON IS CONFIDENT IN COMMENTS FROM SOMEBODY TO SHARE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT SOME TEACHER----PETRA RECOGNIZE IN THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ("PART 2"),SHE MAKES A MISTAKE WITH FLUMINI , AND HIS STYLES.-IT COULD BE GOOD TO BE HONEST WITH ARON /
rather than just the names/addresses (those are available on the
internet).
Thank you!
Cheers,
Aron
from Hungary
THE POINT WAS TO WRITE ABOUT A PERSON WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE OF THIS TEACHER---!!AND THIS TEACHER WAS TEACHING THE FIRST STYLE MENTIONED FOR ARON!!!.-
!!!PETRA EXCUSE HERSELF FOR AVOID THIS INFORMATION AFTER BE IN TOUCH--TALKING WITH FLUMINI (!!!!
ARON ASK FOR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND SHE EXCUSE HERSELF AFTER BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T .-
THE LIST IS OPEN FOR ALL THE OPINIONS, BUT WE TRY TO SHARE CORRECT INFORMATION---GAVITO DON'T TEACH "TANGO NUEVO" (I THINK, OR I CAN BE WRONG ????)
ALL THE BEST FOR EVERY BODY
PABLO
Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, Amirica Latina y el resto del Mundo.
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 00:47:36 -0500
From: pablo gracia <tangopablo@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: PETRA RECOGNIZED HER MISTAKE AND CORRECT "PART 2"--- Tango teachers in Switzerland
DEAR LIST,
EXCUSE THE CAPITOL, JUST TO SHOW MY COMMENTS.-
THE FIRST QUESTION WAS ABOUT GAVITO STYLE, AND IS A FACT. PLEASE, CHECK THE ORIGINAL EMAIL FROM ARON, JUST A FACT...
EVERYBODY CAN WRITE WHATEVER...ALSO RECOGNIZE MISTAKES....
CAPITOL COMMENTS: IN THIS EMAIL PETRA RECOGNIZE FLUMINI TEACH OTHER STYLES INCLUDDING APILADO (GAVITO WAS THE FIRST REFERENCE IN THE QUESTION....APILADO OR...?)
IF IN ZURICH YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WITH SOME RECOGNIZED BACKGRAUND , WHY AVOID OR CENSURE THE INFORMATION??
Petra Starmans <petra.starmans@BEFREE.CH> wrote:
Dear List
Today Leo Flumini from Zurich asked me to correct my statements about him
and so I gladly add to my description of his specialities that he and his
wife know several styles and that they are not only specialized in tango
canyengue but in several other styles, especially also tango apilado /
milonguero style.
With my recommendations for other Zurich and Basel based teachers, which I
in my personal opinion see as closer to the Tango Nuevo style, I did not
intend to hurt their feelings, nor diminish their qualities or
professionalism.
Hopefully everybody between us will find what he or she is looking for..
Have a nice day all of you.
--
Petra Starmans
Honrainweg 11
CH-8038 Z|rich
Switzerland
tel/fax: + 41 (0)1 262 06 55
e-mail: petra.starmans@befree.ch
ALL THE BEST FOR EVERY BODY /REMEMBER , GAVITO STYLE WAS THE FIRST QUESTION
ALL THE BEST
PABLO
Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, Amirica Latina y el resto del Mundo.
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 00:52:13 -0500
From: pablo gracia <tangopablo@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: "PART 2" PETRA RECOGNIZED HER MISTAKE AND CORRECT "PART 2"--- Tango teachers in Switzerland
DEAR LIST,
EXCUSE THE CAPITOL, JUST TO SHOW MY COMMENTS.-
THE FIRST QUESTION WAS ABOUT GAVITO STYLE, AND IS A FACT. PLEASE, CHECK THE ORIGINAL EMAIL FROM ARON, JUST A FACT...
EVERYBODY CAN WRITE WHATEVER...ALSO RECOGNIZE MISTAKES....
CAPITOL COMMENTS: IN THIS EMAIL PETRA RECOGNIZE FLUMINI TEACH OTHER STYLES INCLUDDING APILADO (GAVITO WAS THE FIRST REFERENCE IN THE QUESTION....APILADO OR...?)
IF IN ZURICH YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WITH SOME RECOGNIZED BACKGRAUND , WHY AVOID OR CENSURE THE INFORMATION??
Petra Starmans <petra.starmans@BEFREE.CH> wrote:
Dear List
Today Leo Flumini from Zurich asked me to correct my statements about him
and so I gladly add to my description of his specialities that he and his
wife know several styles and that they are not only specialized in tango
canyengue but in several other styles, especially also tango apilado /
milonguero style.
With my recommendations for other Zurich and Basel based teachers, which I
in my personal opinion see as closer to the Tango Nuevo style, I did not
intend to hurt their feelings, nor diminish their qualities or
professionalism.
Hopefully everybody between us will find what he or she is looking for..
Have a nice day all of you.
--
Petra Starmans
Honrainweg 11
CH-8038 Z|rich
Switzerland
tel/fax: + 41 (0)1 262 06 55
e-mail: petra.starmans@befree.ch
ALL THE BEST FOR EVERY BODY / REMEMBER , GAVITO STYLE WAS THE FIRST QUESTION
ALL THE BEST
PABLO
Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, Amirica Latina y el resto del Mundo.
