1522  Transcendent tangos

Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:45:51 -0700
From: Judy Stockinger <judytango@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Transcendent tangos

Dear Darren and list,

Perhaps the "crowded floor transcendent tango" is like the "dormila" that Astrid has previously mentioned in her postings, while the "open space transcendent tango" is more like the creative flow experience?

I believe both types of transcendence can be experienced individually apart from the partner's experience. Of course, the partner may reply when queried that is was "special for them, too". But does "special" necessarily mean "transcendent" or the way we are talking about transcendence here?
Judy

Darrell Sanchez wrote:

"For me, intuitive dancing and transcendent tangos are not
dependent
upon the number of people on the floor with me. It is more a factor of
my
own state combined with the music and the one with whom I am dancing.
There
seems to me here an implication that intuitive and transcendent dancing
is
dependent on limited space and close quarters. Personally, I enjoy
more
space while dancing. Freedom of movement actually helps to drive and
inspire my intuition. When I am matched and met by a follower who is
also
contributing to the dance in her own way I find myself experiencing an
intimacy that by far exceeds the container of the ordinary dance not
matter
how many others are dancing. In fact, in my experience, a too crowded
floor can actually, but not always, hinder the transcendence."

Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 00:59:50 +0900
From: astrid <astrid@RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP>
Subject: Re: Transcendent tangos

> Perhaps the "crowded floor transcendent tango" is like the "dormila" that

Astrid has previously mentioned in her postings, while the "open space
transcendent tango" is more like the creative flow experience?

For a "dormirla experience" the right man is necessary, a degree of
crowdedness or emptyness on the floor is not. At least not for the woman.
The woman is, as the word says, in sort of a somnambulistic state, unaware
of everything around her, except for the man in her arms and the music. The
rest is a blur.
It has never ever occurred to me to ask my partner:"Was it good for you
too?" So I don't know exactly about that, but in my opinion, the man who did
not notice how good it is for the woman, would be a damn fool.
Dancing tango in that sate is not unlike making love. I heard that people
actually exist who will ask:"Was it..."

>
> I believe both types of transcendence can be experienced individually

apart from the partner's experience. Of course, the partner may reply when
queried that is was "special for them, too". But does "special" necessarily
mean ...

Here all the shortcomings of this list are exposed. Instead of enjoying the
fact that things like this are possible between people, a nitpicking about
words has started. I believe, with all respect, that further analysis of the
terminology of tango-transcendence will not bring the experience any closer.

Astrid

Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:16:05 +0100
From: Guy Williams <guyzen@FREEUK.COM>
Subject: Re: Transcendent tangos

> Astrid wrote

> Here all the shortcomings of this list are exposed. Instead of enjoying

the

> fact that things like this are possible between people, a nitpicking about
> words has started. I believe, with all respect, that further analysis of

the

> terminology of tango-transcendence will not bring the experience any

closer.

As Achan Chaan said of Zen Buddhists who had ecstatic experiences during
meditation
" Just something else to let go of"
It is folly to chase the experience.
"If it happens then it happens if it don't it don't."

Guy>

> >
>

Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:56:32 -0700
From: luda_r1 <luda_r1@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Transcendent tangos

Astrid wrote:

"...Here all the shortcomings of this list are
exposed.
Instead of enjoying the
fact that things like this (transcendent tangos) are
possible between
people, a nitpicking about
words has started. I believe, with all respect, that
further analysis of the
terminology of tango-transcendence will not bring the
experience any closer."

Atta girl, Astrid! I second it!! And, of course, we
have the support of the majority on the List, silent
or otherwise, so it's carried. Done. ("Democracy"
what?!!!) No more "nitpicking" henceforth! Or forever
more. Whichever comes first. Especially about the
important stuff. You can analyze a perfectly beautiful
thing to death! Geez!!!

Luda

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