2864 The True Man and the New Man
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:48:33 +0300
From: cella <cella@TTNET.NET.TR>
Subject: Re: The True Man and the New Man
Dear Janis, this article is for the real people, why did you send this to
the list ?
Here they can only live with their technics , they breath with their
technics ,they hear the music technically , they technically love eachother
..They technically walk, they technically live but sorry they are
technologically out of control , The programmes, ws, and money controls
them, 'feeling' is something they forgot in their past lives, Strength and
honor ,they forgot , character, attitude ,they forgot ...Shadows and dust ,
shadows and dust :).So please dont make them go to Bs As. Leave them in
their own hell . The real tango is only for the real people.
cigdem
--- Original Message -----
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:28:16 -0400
From: Gülden Özen
<gulden@TANGOPHILIA.COM>
Subject: Re: The True Man and the New Man
Cigdem kardes,
Janis'in derdi ne olursa olsun kendi tercihini savunmak sen de belki
onunla ayni derden su icmeyi cok "real" buluyorsun ancak ikinizin de cok
"real" bularak herkese iteledigi makalenin yazari pek "real" degil be
kardesim! Hani ben adami gordugum hatta yanlislikla tangoya davetini
reddetmedigim icin bu konuda ahkam kesmeye biraz daha dayanak buluyorum
kendim icin.
Senin soylem cok "Turk filmi" koktu birdenbire ama soz konusu makalenin
yazari tam da boyle bir soyleme layik bir kardes: kapali mekanlarda gunes
gozlugu ile dolasan, ikide birde etrafina keskin bakislar firlatip kim
kendisi gibi bir "yakisikliyi" kesiyor ona gore poz takinan hmmmm....enfes
bir "real" tango adami! Ne diyeyim, yazdiklarina tum kalbinle katil, liste
boyu ahkam kes ve de umarim o ve onun gibilerle bolca tango anlari yasa, en
iyi dileklerimle kardescim.
Gulden
At 04:48 AM 10/6/2004, you wrote:
>Dear Janis, this article is for the real people, why did you send this to
>the list ?
> Here they can only live with their technics , they breath with their
>technics ,they hear the music technically , they technically love eachother
>.They technically walk, they technically live but sorry they are
>technologically out of control , The programmes, ws, and money controls
>them, 'feeling' is something they forgot in their past lives, Strength and
>honor ,they forgot , character, attitude ,they forgot ...Shadows and dust ,
>shadows and dust :).So please dont make them go to Bs As. Leave them in
>their own hell . The real tango is only for the real people.
>cigdem
>
>
>--- Original Message -----
>From: "Janis Kenyon" <jantango@FEEDBACK.NET.AR>
>To: <TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 10:22 PM
>Subject: [TANGO-L] The True Tango and the New Tango
>
>
> > I recently read a very interesting article on the internet. I recommend
>it
> > to anyone who is interested in tango the dance. The author has accurately
> > and simply compared the tango danced by the milongueros with the new
>tango.
> > It is so well written that I think every teacher should read it and pass
>it
> > on to students. If you are willing to take the time to read this
>four-page
> > article, I know you will want to thank the author for writing it. I did.
> >
> > https://www.gainesvilletango.org/articles.htm
> >
> >
> > Pichi de Buenos Aires
> >
>
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:38:23 +0300
From: cella <cella@TTNET.NET.TR>
Subject: Re: The True Man and the New Man
please write in english, so everybody can hear your voice , we are not
here- to gossip ,please make your personal comments, personal ...we are
here to discuss the idea. Not your problem with Janis
ç
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] The True Man and the New Man
> Cigdem kardes,
> Janis'in derdi ne olursa olsun kendi tercihini savunmak sen de belki
> onunla ayni derden su icmeyi cok "real" buluyorsun ancak ikinizin de cok
> "real" bularak herkese iteledigi makalenin yazari pek "real" degil be
> kardesim! Hani ben adami gordugum hatta yanlislikla tangoya davetini
> reddetmedigim icin bu konuda ahkam kesmeye biraz daha dayanak buluyorum
> kendim icin.
> Senin soylem cok "Turk filmi" koktu birdenbire ama soz konusu makalenin
> yazari tam da boyle bir soyleme layik bir kardes: kapali mekanlarda gunes
> gozlugu ile dolasan, ikide birde etrafina keskin bakislar firlatip kim
> kendisi gibi bir "yakisikliyi" kesiyor ona gore poz takinan hmmmm....enfes
> bir "real" tango adami! Ne diyeyim, yazdiklarina tum kalbinle katil, liste
> boyu ahkam kes ve de umarim o ve onun gibilerle bolca tango anlari yasa,
en
> iyi dileklerimle kardescim.
>
> Gulden
>
> At 04:48 AM 10/6/2004, you wrote:
> >Dear Janis, this article is for the real people, why did you send this
to
> >the list ?
> > Here they can only live with their technics , they breath with their
> >technics ,they hear the music technically , they technically love
eachother
> >.They technically walk, they technically live but sorry they are
> >technologically out of control , The programmes, ws, and money controls
> >them, 'feeling' is something they forgot in their past lives, Strength
and
> >honor ,they forgot , character, attitude ,they forgot ...Shadows and
dust ,
> >shadows and dust :).So please dont make them go to Bs As. Leave them in
> >their own hell . The real tango is only for the real people.
> >cigdem
> >
> >
> >--- Original Message -----
> >From: "Janis Kenyon" <jantango@FEEDBACK.NET.AR>
> >To: <TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 10:22 PM
> >Subject: [TANGO-L] The True Tango and the New Tango
> >
> >
> > > I recently read a very interesting article on the internet. I
recommend
> >it
> > > to anyone who is interested in tango the dance. The author has
accurately
> > > and simply compared the tango danced by the milongueros with the new
> >tango.
> > > It is so well written that I think every teacher should read it and
pass
> >it
> > > on to students. If you are willing to take the time to read this
> >four-page
> > > article, I know you will want to thank the author for writing it. I
did.
> > >
> > > https://www.gainesvilletango.org/articles.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > Pichi de Buenos Aires
> > >
> >
-
-
>
>
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:20:36 -0400
From: Gülden Özen
<gulden@TANGOPHILIA.COM>
Subject: Re: The True Man and the New Man
Cigdem,
If I had any problem with Janis and my message had anything to do with such
a problem, I would have written my message in English. I don't know how you
will handle an argument in English since it seems that it is pretty
challenging for you to understand it when submitted in Turkish, in your own
native language.
Janis seems to recommend anything that involves statements that has any two
words she would like to see together and that's her choice, she is free to
do so. And I am free to express what I think of her recommendation and this
is all done before your comments on "real men". So, the problem is your
actually "unreal" approach to this subject, that is: commenting on somebody
who wrote an article and possibly you only know him through this article
yet you find him to qualify as a "real man"! Not only that, you also
comment on everybody else on this list and their characters and define
where they live (i.e hell) just because you feel like it! I think this is
pretty "baseless" and "unreal" in that sense. Your style just reminded me
of the old Turkish movies with the main characters exaggerating everything
they say to the extent that they make the supposedly sad scenes seem/sound
funny. And your "real man" character here deserves your style very much, in
my opinion, since I had the chance to meet him and even accidentally to
dance with him. All I can say is to wish you many tango moments with the
"real men" like him.
Gulden
At 08:38 AM 10/6/2004, cella wrote:
>please write in english, so everybody can hear your voice , we are not
>here- to gossip ,please make your personal comments, personal ...we are
>here to discuss the idea. Not your problem with Janis
>ç
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gülden Özen" <gulden@TANGOPHILIA.COM>
>To: <TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 3:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] The True Man and the New Man
>
>
> > Cigdem kardes,
> > Janis'in derdi ne olursa olsun kendi tercihini savunmak sen de belki
> > onunla ayni derden su icmeyi cok "real" buluyorsun ancak ikinizin de cok
> > "real" bularak herkese iteledigi makalenin yazari pek "real" degil be
> > kardesim! Hani ben adami gordugum hatta yanlislikla tangoya davetini
> > reddetmedigim icin bu konuda ahkam kesmeye biraz daha dayanak buluyorum
> > kendim icin.
> > Senin soylem cok "Turk filmi" koktu birdenbire ama soz konusu makalenin
> > yazari tam da boyle bir soyleme layik bir kardes: kapali mekanlarda gunes
> > gozlugu ile dolasan, ikide birde etrafina keskin bakislar firlatip kim
> > kendisi gibi bir "yakisikliyi" kesiyor ona gore poz takinan hmmmm....enfes
> > bir "real" tango adami! Ne diyeyim, yazdiklarina tum kalbinle katil, liste
> > boyu ahkam kes ve de umarim o ve onun gibilerle bolca tango anlari yasa,
>en
> > iyi dileklerimle kardescim.
> >
> > Gulden
> >
> > At 04:48 AM 10/6/2004, you wrote:
> > >Dear Janis, this article is for the real people, why did you send this
>to
> > >the list ?
> > > Here they can only live with their technics , they breath with their
> > >technics ,they hear the music technically , they technically love
>eachother
> > >.They technically walk, they technically live but sorry they are
> > >technologically out of control , The programmes, ws, and money controls
> > >them, 'feeling' is something they forgot in their past lives, Strength
>and
> > >honor ,they forgot , character, attitude ,they forgot ...Shadows and
>dust ,
> > >shadows and dust :).So please dont make them go to Bs As. Leave them in
> > >their own hell . The real tango is only for the real people.
> > >cigdem
> > >
> > >
> > >--- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Janis Kenyon" <jantango@FEEDBACK.NET.AR>
> > >To: <TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 10:22 PM
> > >Subject: [TANGO-L] The True Tango and the New Tango
> > >
> > >
> > > > I recently read a very interesting article on the internet. I
>recommend
> > >it
> > > > to anyone who is interested in tango the dance. The author has
>accurately
> > > > and simply compared the tango danced by the milongueros with the new
> > >tango.
> > > > It is so well written that I think every teacher should read it and
>pass
> > >it
> > > > on to students. If you are willing to take the time to read this
> > >four-page
> > > > article, I know you will want to thank the author for writing it. I
>did.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.gainesvilletango.org/articles.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pichi de Buenos Aires
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:45:03 +0300
From: cella <cella@TTNET.NET.TR>
Subject: Re: The True Man and the New Man
Thank you; so you look to the idea personally, I look at it universally.
ç
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] The True Man and the New Man
Cigdem,
If I had any problem with Janis and my message had anything to do with such
a problem, I would have written my message in English. I don't know how you
will handle an argument in English since it seems that it is pretty
challenging for you to understand it when submitted in Turkish, in your own
native language.
Janis seems to recommend ---
who wrote an article and possibly you only know him through this article
yet you find him to qualify as a "real man"! Not only that, you also ------
comment on everybody else on this list and their characters and define
where they live (i.e hell) just because you feel like it! I think this is
pretty "baseless" and "unreal" in that sense. Your style just reminded me
of the old Turkish my opinion, since I had the chance to meet him and even
accidentally to
dance with him. All I can say is to wish you many tango moments with the
"real men" like him.
Gulden
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:11:42 -0400
From: Tanguero Chino <tanguerochino@NETSCAPE.NET>
Subject: Re: The True Man and the New Man
I finally got around to reading Oleh's travel/tango musing. Great read. Thank you, Oleh.
Unfortunately, this chain followed. Disheartening.
If only I can find a good filtering program.
Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups.
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:12:12 -0700
From: Daniel Lapadula <clubstyletango@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: The True Man and the New Man
?????,should we agree with this?
Daniel
--- G|lden Vzen <gulden@TANGOPHILIA.COM> wrote:
> Cigdem kardes,
> Janis'in derdi ne olursa olsun kendi tercihini
> savunmak sen de belki
> onunla ayni derden su icmeyi cok "real" buluyorsun
> ancak ikinizin de cok
> "real" bularak herkese iteledigi makalenin yazari
> pek "real" degil be
> kardesim! Hani ben adami gordugum hatta yanlislikla
> tangoya davetini
> reddetmedigim icin bu konuda ahkam kesmeye biraz
> daha dayanak buluyorum
> kendim icin.
> Senin soylem cok "Turk filmi" koktu birdenbire ama
> soz konusu makalenin
> yazari tam da boyle bir soyleme layik bir kardes:
> kapali mekanlarda gunes
> gozlugu ile dolasan, ikide birde etrafina keskin
> bakislar firlatip kim
> kendisi gibi bir "yakisikliyi" kesiyor ona gore poz
> takinan hmmmm....enfes
> bir "real" tango adami! Ne diyeyim, yazdiklarina tum
> kalbinle katil, liste
> boyu ahkam kes ve de umarim o ve onun gibilerle
> bolca tango anlari yasa, en
> iyi dileklerimle kardescim.
>
> Gulden
>
> At 04:48 AM 10/6/2004, you wrote:
> >Dear Janis, this article is for the real people,
> why did you send this to
> >the list ?
> > Here they can only live with their technics ,
> they breath with their
> >technics ,they hear the music technically , they
> technically love eachother
> >.They technically walk, they technically live but
> sorry they are
> >technologically out of control , The programmes,
> ws, and money controls
> >them, 'feeling' is something they forgot in their
> past lives, Strength and
> >honor ,they forgot , character, attitude ,they
> forgot ...Shadows and dust ,
> >shadows and dust :).So please dont make them go to
> Bs As. Leave them in
> >their own hell . The real tango is only for the
> real people.
> >cigdem
> >
> >
> >--- Original Message -----
> >From: "Janis Kenyon" <jantango@FEEDBACK.NET.AR>
> >To: <TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 10:22 PM
> >Subject: [TANGO-L] The True Tango and the New Tango
> >
> >
> > > I recently read a very interesting article on
> the internet. I recommend
> >it
> > > to anyone who is interested in tango the dance.
> The author has accurately
> > > and simply compared the tango danced by the
> milongueros with the new
> >tango.
> > > It is so well written that I think every teacher
> should read it and pass
> >it
> > > on to students. If you are willing to take the
> time to read this
> >four-page
> > > article, I know you will want to thank the
> author for writing it. I did.
> > >
> > > https://www.gainesvilletango.org/articles.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > Pichi de Buenos Aires
> > >
> >
>
> >Send "Where can I Tango in <city>?" requests to
> Tango-A rather than to
> >Tango-L, since you can indicate the region. To
> subscribe to Tango-A,
> >send "subscribe Tango-A Firstname Lastname" to
> LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
>
>
>
> Send "Where can I Tango in <city>?" requests to
> Tango-A rather than to
> Tango-L, since you can indicate the region. To
> subscribe to Tango-A,
> send "subscribe Tango-A Firstname Lastname" to
> LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
>
>
=====
Daniel Lapadula
ClubStyleTango@yahoo.com
