1600 what exactly is fantasia?
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:52:25 -0700
From: Pamela Slavsky <salsahappens@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: what exactly is fantasia?
Greetings all,
This may be a silly question, but here I go: how is
"fantasia" Tango defined? I have the general idea,
flashier show tango. But if one saw fantasia style
tango on a social dance floor (gasp of horror!), what
exacty would one see? Can showier social dancing
gancho its way over the line into fantasia?
I'm interested less in "the" definition than to see if
there is a wide range of definitions offered (what are
the chances of that!).
Thanks
--Pamela
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:32:23 -0500
From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Re: what exactly is fantasia?
Pamela Slavsky asked:
>[H]ow is "fantasia" Tango defined?
It is too bad we cannot conduct some of these discussions with visual aids
to clarify what we mean. I think many different written viewpoints might
prove the same.
As a partial approach to providing such a visual aid, the dance sequences
in the video for Forever Tango are almost purely fantasia.
I would offer the following definition:
Fantasia is danced in tango stage shows. It originally drew from the
idioms of the salon- and orillero-styles of tango but today also includes
elements of nuevo-tango. Fantasia is danced in an open embrace with
exaggerated movements and additional elements (often taken from ballet)
that are not part of the social tango vocabulary. These balletic elements
integrate well with salon-style tango because the way a couple relates to
each other's space in salon-style tango is very balletic in nature, even
though tango movement is more grounded like modern dance.
Other people may have other definitions. In particular, some people
consider the use of elements such as ganchos or elaborate figurs as
deriving from/belonging to the fantasia vocabulary
With best regards,
Steve
Stephen Brown
Tango Argentino de Teja
https://www.tejastango.com/
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 23:40:44 -0400
From: Antonio Cervila Junior <junior@CERVILA.COM>
Subject: Re: what exactly is fantasia?
Tango Fantasia is an expresion created after the golden tango era. So, on
50's and 60's when was very popular competitions. It was not fare that
compete an milonguero close embrace with jumps and ganchos, so they put
diferent stiles, they called tango fantasia something that you don't do on
the dance floor and do in demostrations and on stage.
many milongueros competed on that stile and was the time that you could see
Copes, Pupi and Virulazo in the same competition.
Everything changes and so tango. So I think that nowadays it is more
accepted many other things in the milongas than those days. There are many
new steps and I think that "tango fantasia" concept changes with the tango
evolution.
The same way that if a girl had sex in the first date in the 50's was
concedered a bitch. Today is something natural.
Junior
www.latindancecarnival.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 2:52 PM
Subject: [TANGO-L] what exactly is fantasia?
> Greetings all,
>
> This may be a silly question, but here I go: how is
> "fantasia" Tango defined? I have the general idea,
> flashier show tango. But if one saw fantasia style
> tango on a social dance floor (gasp of horror!), what
> exacty would one see? Can showier social dancing
> gancho its way over the line into fantasia?
>
> I'm interested less in "the" definition than to see if
> there is a wide range of definitions offered (what are
> the chances of that!).
>
> Thanks
>
> --Pamela
>
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 07:15:40 -0700
From: Marisa Holmes <mariholmes@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Bad names for other people (was what exactly is fantasia?)
--- Antonio Cervila Junior <junior@CERVILA.COM> wrote:
> There are many new steps and I think that "tango
> fantasia" concept changes with the tango evolution.
> The same way that if a girl had sex in the first
> date in the 50's was concedered a bitch. Today is
> something natural.
Dear Junior,
I hope you will excuse my commenting on your choice of
words - I have heard this from Spanish speakers before
and I think there must be an obvious translation from
some Spanish word which is leading you a little
astray.
In English, "bitch" does not necessarily carry the
meaning of sexual promiscuity. ("Slut" is probably a
better choice, as it means specifically a woman -
almost never a man - whose sexual activity exceeds the
norm in a scandalous way.) "Bitch," on the other
hand, has come to be used loosely for a person who is
female and offensive to the speaker. Often the word is
used for women who behave rudely, harshly, or
aggressively. There is a lot of interesting stuff
going on with the word in terms of gender roles and
expectations - a very common meaning is that of a
woman who has behaved in a way that would be
considered acceptable, or even admirable, in a man.
If the behavior is unusual or unacceptable in women,
"bitch" is brought out to degrade the offender and
reinforce her identification as female. (No doubt
saying this will make Sergio call me a "feminist,"
which is a name he uses for women he disagrees with.)
Aside from accuracy of meaning, "slut" is a word
which, although abusive, can be used in polite
company. "Bitch" is still the sort of word one does
not use in front of older women, in church, at work,
or in mixed company at all if one is scrupulous and
respectable. "Bitching", meaning complaining, is more
generally used. "Bitchin'", meaning good, has slipped
out of fashion since the 'seventies or 'eighties.
Kind regards,
Marisa
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:49:21 -0700
From: Catrina Imports <catrinaimports@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Bad names for other people (was what exactly is fantasia?)
> --- Antonio Cervila Junior wrote:
> > The same way that if a girl had sex in
> > the first date in the 50's was concedered
> > a bitch. Today is something natural.
--- Marisa Holmes wrote:
> I hope you will excuse my commenting on
> your choice of words - I have heard this
> from Spanish speakers before and I think
> there must be an obvious translation from
> some Spanish word which is leading you a
> little astray.
There's often confusion about puta vs bitch.
Bitch is literally "perra". Its meaning is closer to
"hija de puta", "bruja", "agresiva", etc.
In this context, I think Antonio means a "puta": a
girl who is easy, a slut, a whore.
HTH,
Kate
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:01:14 -0400
From: Antonio Cervila Junior <junior@CERVILA.COM>
Subject: was what exactly is fantasia?
Antonio Cervila Junior <junior@CERVILA.COM> wrote:
> There are many new steps and I think that "tango
> fantasia" concept changes with the tango evolution.
> The same way that if a girl had sex in the first
> date in the 50's was concedered a bitch. Today is
> something natural.
Well. Thanks to Nitin, Marisa, Catrina and Sergio.
As you can see my English is not that good and I didn't want to be offensive to the list. I just wanted to say that things changes with the =
years and the reality in the 40's is not the reality of XXI century. Even in tango.
Sorry if I ofended somebody.
Junior
www.latindancecarnival.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Nitin Kibe
To: junior@CERVILA.COM
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:30 AM
Subject: Your posts
Junior:
Greetings!
I have taken classes with you in London and Washington DC and plan to take them again in August when you return to Washington.
I enjoy your classes and like your teaching style, both professionally and personally.
One request please: when you post to the List, as a teacher and family man, you may wish to avoid any sexual jokes or references -- people =
misunderstand, it damages your standing as a teacher and increases the chances that some students may simply not take your classes. Which would =
be a shame both for them and for you.
Good wishes and I am sure you understand that I mean well for you.
Nitin Kibe
Washington DC
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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 03:17:31 +0200
From: Matias de Valentin Alsina <electrontango@YAHOO.FR>
Subject: asia
Anyone knows about tango in Beijing/Pekin ?
Thanks in advance for your comments!
Matias
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