3701 dueling tango events
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:52:11 -0700
From: Sabina Lewis <sabina_nola@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: dueling tango events
Written by and posted on behalf of Valorie Hart
do you like beautiful places?
do you like comfy beds in your own room with luxury
linens?
do you like marble bathrooms with big comfy terry
cloth robes in a sexy leopard print and great aveeda
bath products?
if you had an allergy would your hotel provide you
with a chemical free room, no scents of any kind,
immaculate, and do it with a smile for you?
if you were one of 100 diners at a catered dinner, on
a no salt diet, would the chef make a special
provision for you?
if you have a dog (or cat), would your hotel or house
host allow you to bring your pet, and then pamper it
for you?
do you like starbucks coffee and a coffee maker in
your room to brew it?
do you like turn down service, where you get chilled
bottled water left bedside for you?
do you like complimentary wine and wonderful brie
stuffed olives and tasty crunchy munchies served
everyday at cocktail hour, in a gorgeous living room,
to you and your friends?
do you like getting first rate tango lessons from
professional and top rated teachers in a gender
balanced class with a beautiful state-of-the-art dance
floor, with no more than 40 people, so you get lots of
attention from the pros?
can you video tape your lessons? and shows or
exhibitions?
do you like being taught in a classroom setting and
not coached or taught on the social dance floor of the
miilonga (no professional teacher would have the bad
manners to do this)?
do you like milongas that have excellent music (tandas
with cortinas), excellent sound system, excellent
dance floor, excellent food and drink AND excellent
friendly dancers who dance every style of tango to
every style of orchestra, and with every dancer they
can get to?
do you like hotel dinners that don't feature rubber
chicken, but gourmet food catered from it's 4 star on
premise restaurant (where you can enjoy your two hour
lunch break between six hours daily of great lessons)?
do you like a hospitality suite in a luxury room,
where you can hang out between events so you don't
have to run home between events (this applies to local
dancers only)?
do you know what it means to miss new orleans, the
most interesting and beautiful city, so close to
buenos aires in feeling, so exotic, so unique, so
musical, so delicious, so friendly?
do you like to shop? and have great tango things to
buy right in the comfort of your luxury hotel? and
great shops right outside of your hotel?
do you like the luxury las vegas style casino steps
away from your hotel?
do you consider yourself worth pampering for a very
good price?
are you of a certain age that the idea of cheap hotels
and sleeping bags and crashing somewhere unknown,
sharing a bathroom with strangers (or friends), just
doesn't appeal to you? especially since you really can
afford better?
do you like variety in your tango dancing, or are you
stuck in a rut with one trick ponies shuffling around?
are you open minded enough to accept and appreciate
all who step onto the great equalizer of the dance
floor (even the one trick pony)?
do you like meeting over 100 dancers from all over the
country, say - michigan, nevada, california, florida,
tennessee, arizona, illinois, texas, new york,
alabama,
georgia, mississippi and from baton rouge to new
orleans in louisiana, and and from argentina?
are you proud of your own tango dancing (at any level)
and able and willing to share it with your peers by
stepping up by being in a showcase?
have you seen broadway style shows, so you can
appreciate the effort that goes into making a really
great tango show that not only entertains, but helps
bring new people into the wonderful tango lifestyle?
do you recognize good service from staff members and
hosts who are proud and happy to organize for you,
plan for you, consider your comfort and needs, help
you, wait on you, guide you?
are you an adult with a job who buys things at fair
prices?
are you a single woman who doesn't lack for dance
partners, ditto for single men, and ditto for couples
who "swap", when you attend a wonderful weekend event
out of town (in class, and at the milongas into the
wee small hours of the morning)?
do you like well dressed tango dancers who look sharp
and sexy and smell divine?
are you proud of the argentine tango and are you one
who puts a value on it, morally and financially, and
doesn't sell it, or yourself, cheap?
do you respect and accept quality in your tango
lifestyle?
great! then we'll see you next year1
no matter how many imitators, naysayers, or those who
can't cut it, or those who are cheap, or those who
bash new orleans, or those bash us on other discussion
lists where they know we cannot answer back or defend
ourselves so they can continually assassinate our
character, or those who have no clue about respecting
the argentine tango or the great lifestyle it affords
-
well i say great! come to new orleans anytime, where
you will always be welcomed with the open arms of the
tango and fine southern hospitality of this city and
its local tango dancers we nurture in the tango
lifestyle we build, so you can check it out first
hand, so you can sling mud from first hand
experiences, or maybe even enjoy yourself and the good
work we have been doing for the tango together for
nearly eleven years (and alberto has been doing it
longer).
and maybe, you'll be able to go all the way, instead
of merely meeting in the middle :-)
vh
la mariposa del tango
ps this has nothing personal to do with karen in
missouri. it's a shame she didn't come to new orleans,
but rather chose to offer her event on the same
weekend long after we announced our tangofest :-) can
you imagine actually getting together in the same
place at the same time doing the same thing we all
love? the big mouth reporter of her event with his
negative vibes is unfortunate p.r. for her and for the
tango...
by the way:
NEW ORLEANS TANGOFEST 2006 - HOTEL MONACO AUGUST 4-5-6
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:06:39 -0700
From: Yale Tango Club <yaletangoclub@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: dueling tango events
Hello all
I'm not sure what the bickering is all about, if both events were a success then obviously there are enough dancers to go around. It also seems to me that the two events cater to people with different priorities # 2 through 99. Priority #1 being tango of course.
FYI, these are not the only two coinciding events. And even if they had been a week apart, I doubt people would have gone to both.
I think having two coinciding events is great. Even the most annoying individuals can be in only one place at the same time. Hopefully it is the Other place.
Tine
Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
Dear All:
I am sorry, but I think that Valorie Hart is
absolutely right. Why was the second event announced
after the New Orleans event???? If this is true, it
is suspect.
For me personally, steak is always better than
hamburger!!! I went to the New Orleans Tangofest two
years ago and it was steak, not hamburger. I had a
fantastic time. I could not go this year or last
because I was out of town, but I would have if I could
have.
Valorie is a professional meeting planner and she
really knows exactly what she is doing. An amateur
meeting planner might want to start out by having her
event on a non-competing date, instead of trying to go
head to head with someone who has a lot of experience.
The idea that someone would purposely setup a
competing event serving hamburger and allow the
"hamburger salesman and saleswomen of tango to
promote it as the "better event" is ludicrous..a joke.
I am a native Houstonian and I love going to the
countryside and small towns, just as much as anyone,
camping out, riding horses, and finishing it off with
a great hamburger, but not when I can have a steak in
a beautiful city like New Orleans, instead. Give me a
break.
What really disturbs me here, is that I again see the
signs of "stealth marketing" at work. Instead of
creativity and new ideas, I see a campaign to degrade
an existing wonderful tango event in New Orleans and
promote another "poor copy" tango event in its place.
This is bad etiquette and bad taste. Maybe that is
the real problem here.. My opinion.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
713-522-0888 Cell
vh
la mariposa del tango
ps this has nothing personal to do with karen in
missouri. it's a shame she didn't come to new orleans,
but rather chose to offer her event on the same
weekend long after we announced our tangofest :-) can
you imagine actually getting together in the same
place at the same time doing the same thing we all
love? the big mouth reporter of her event with his
negative vibes is unfortunate p.r. for her and for the
tango...
************************
Tango Club at Yale
YaleTangoClub@yahoo.com
Check out our brand new website at www.yaletangoclub.org
To subscribe to our event emails, please email us or visit our website.
To unsubscribe, send us an email, or if you're in a hurry, do it yourself by sending an email to YaleTangoClub-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com. If it doesn't work, just let us know. We're nice people and we really don't want to aggravate anybody. Thanks!
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:23:30 -0600
From: Tom Stermitz <stermitz@TANGO.ORG>
Subject: Re: dueling tango events
Clay Nelson's motto is "There's more than enough to go around". As
tango has continued to grow in the US, this becomes even more true.
Insecurity is usually the driving factor for back-stabbing and
negative politics. A confident organizer, knowing they have a good
event, has no need to worry about what someone else is offering.
The two events in question had different philosophies, different
kinds of teachers, and certainly would attract different people. In a
similar way, Miami & Denver have festivals over Memorial Day weekend;
both are different and both are successful.
Remember when the only festival was Columbus, OH or Stanford, CA?
We now have 6 or 8 festivals with over 400 attendance, and another 6
or 8 with 150 - 300: Portland, Portland, Denver, Denver, Seattle,
Miami, San Francisco, Boston, Washington DC, Austin, Ann Arbor, New
Orleans, Mt Vernon, (who am I forgetting?)
In addition we have several big weekends or regional festivals.
When does something change from being a "workshop weekend" to a
"regional festival" to a "national festival"?
- Three teaching couples rather than two.
- Invited DJs and live orchestra
- Over 50% visitors from out of town
On Aug 22, 2005, at 12:06 PM, Yale Tango Club wrote:
> Hello all
> I'm not sure what the bickering is all about, if both events were a
> success then obviously there are enough dancers to go around. It
> also seems to me that the two events cater to people with different
> priorities # 2 through 99. Priority #1 being tango of course.
> FYI, these are not the only two coinciding events. And even if they
> had been a week apart, I doubt people would have gone to both.
> I think having two coinciding events is great. Even the most
> annoying individuals can be in only one place at the same time.
> Hopefully it is the Other place.
> Tine
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:31:08 -0700
From: Ilene Marder <imhmedia@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: dueling tango events
You're forgetting New York City, which has had an annual, very successful summer festival for the past 5 years... :-)
Tom Stermitz <stermitz@TANGO.ORG> wrote:Clay Nelson's motto is "There's more than enough to go around". As
tango has continued to grow in the US, this becomes even more true.
Insecurity is usually the driving factor for back-stabbing and
negative politics. A confident organizer, knowing they have a good
event, has no need to worry about what someone else is offering.
The two events in question had different philosophies, different
kinds of teachers, and certainly would attract different people. In a
similar way, Miami & Denver have festivals over Memorial Day weekend;
both are different and both are successful.
Remember when the only festival was Columbus, OH or Stanford, CA?
We now have 6 or 8 festivals with over 400 attendance, and another 6
or 8 with 150 - 300: Portland, Portland, Denver, Denver, Seattle,
Miami, San Francisco, Boston, Washington DC, Austin, Ann Arbor, New
Orleans, Mt Vernon, (who am I forgetting?)
In addition we have several big weekends or regional festivals.
When does something change from being a "workshop weekend" to a
"regional festival" to a "national festival"?
- Three teaching couples rather than two.
- Invited DJs and live orchestra
- Over 50% visitors from out of town
On Aug 22, 2005, at 12:06 PM, Yale Tango Club wrote:
> Hello all
> I'm not sure what the bickering is all about, if both events were a
> success then obviously there are enough dancers to go around. It
> also seems to me that the two events cater to people with different
> priorities # 2 through 99. Priority #1 being tango of course.
> FYI, these are not the only two coinciding events. And even if they
> had been a week apart, I doubt people would have gone to both.
> I think having two coinciding events is great. Even the most
> annoying individuals can be in only one place at the same time.
> Hopefully it is the Other place.
> Tine
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:18:24 -0600
From: Tom Stermitz <stermitz@TANGO.ORG>
Subject: Re: dueling tango events
New York of course.
I also shouldn't have forgotten Atlanta, going for its second next
April.
On Aug 22, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Ilene Marder wrote:
> You're forgetting New York City, which has had an annual, very
> successful summer festival for the past 5 years... :-)
>
> Tom Stermitz <stermitz@TANGO.ORG> wrote: Clay Nelson's motto is
> "There's more than enough to go around". As
> tango has continued to grow in the US, this becomes even more true.
>
> ...
> Remember when the only festival was Columbus, OH or Stanford, CA?
>
> We now have 6 or 8 festivals with over 400 attendance, and another 6
> or 8 with 150 - 300: Portland, Portland, Denver, Denver, Seattle,
> Miami, San Francisco, Boston, Washington DC, Austin, Ann Arbor, New
> Orleans, Mt Vernon, (who am I forgetting?)
>
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:09:49 -0700
From: Fume <tango2004@TWOBANJOS.COM>
Subject: Re: dueling tango events
Hello,
*Everything* said on this list about the Meet in the Middle tango
weekend convinces me I want to go-- the people who organized it and the
people who attended sound like my kind of folks.
Most of my family is from Missouri, and from visiting them I know that
the state abounds in picturesque small towns which are hospitable to
strangers. I don't care what else is planned: the highlight of Summer
2006 for me will be a trip to Mt. Vernon, MO.
I'm learning a dance with "hamburger" origins, and I don't need to
slather my experience with steak sauce.
Yours truly,
Fume
