4115 energy from close to open
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:13:49 -0700
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: energy from close to open
Dear Trini:
I agree with everything that you are saying, except I
would say that
milonguero/close-embrace/whatever-you-want-to-call-it,
fits inside of nuevo tango instead of nuevo tango
being an exaggeration of it. In fact, my view is that
milonguero/close-embrace/whatever-you-want-to-call-it,
doesn't really even exist. It is just a small part of
the complete Argentine tango.
I do agree with you completely about a partner
suddenly "not communicating" with you by doing
something not pleasant, but I think that is more of a
communication problem, than a dance problem. The
music unifies the dance, so if both dancers are
listining to the same music, there should be zero
problems.
Anyway, I am really glad that you have enjoyed
experiencing nuevo tango, and the system which it
uses to create brand new steps as you dance, without
the need for any choreography planned out in advance.
What I love about nuevo tango is that you can start
with 3 steps (forward, back, side), do simple
variations on those 3 steps to create 36 or more
steps, and then add about 8 simple modifiers to each
step variation (boleos, secadas, ganchos, linear
boleos, colcadas, etc.) and come up with an instant
dance of about 250 possibilities, and then finally add
changes of embrace from close embrace to open embrace,
both facing to the front, both facing each other. etc.
etc. in order to finally achieve about 1,000 different
situations on the fly. To me, the nuevo tango system
really explores all of Argentine tango, not just a
single aspect of it. Nuevo tango can also be danced
close embrace style using the "pelican" to keep legs
close to the body, so the follower does not take up
any space on the dance floor, or the pelican can be
easily expanded outward instantly so the follower can
use as much floor space as the follower chooses. For
me, nuevo tango is so far the most interesting form of
Argentine tango that I have seen. It includes just
about everything that is possible in the dance,
classic tango, close embrace, whatever, and it does it
without the need to memorize steps. Pretty cool.
Anyway, that it my opinion.
Thanks for your ideas. I agree with you. Have a
great day.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
--- "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@YAHOO.COM>
wrote:
> Hi Listeros,
>
> After studying nuevo over the past 8 months, I am
> thinking that the sharing of energy in nuevo is
> really
> just an exaggeration of the energy shared in
>
milonguero/close-embrace/whatever-you-want-to-call-it.
>
> I am thinking specifically of the whole off-axis
> energy of colgadas, linear boleos, ganchos, and
> those
> types of movements. It seems to make certain
> movements, particularly embellishments, more
> accessible to some students. It's no wonder Daniel
> Lapadula didn't know what a colgada was in a thread
> last year, even though he had lead me through the
> movement.
>
> I am also surprised at the usefulness in teaching
> linear boleos, which I had initially thought of as
> an
> impractical, showy movement. It has proven to be
> very
> effective in teaching women how to relax their legs
> when they do it correctly. And it is completely
> obvious when it is backlead by the woman instead of
> being lead. I think the visual difference is useful
> to women in learning how to do embellishments
> gracefully and naturally as they watch other women.
>
> At the same time, however, I can see where
> milongueras
> would consider those nuevo movements to be violent
> to
> the body. On occasion, I have been lost in a
> trance,
> only to be suddenly awakened by a volcada. Made me
> want to smack my partner.
>
> Comments?
>
> Trini de Pittsburgh
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
> Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's
> most popular social dance.
> https://www.pitt.edu/~mcph/PATangoWeb.htm
>
>
> protection around
>
>
Derik Rawson
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Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:01:00 +0100
From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@CHRISJJ.COM>
Subject: Re: energy from close to open
Derik wrote:
> What I love about nuevo tango is that you can start
> with 3 steps (forward, back, side), do simple
> variations on those 3 steps to create 36 or more
> steps, and then add about 8 simple modifiers to each
> step variation ... come up with an instant dance of
> about 250 possibilities, and .... finally achieve about
> 1,000 different situations
Excuse me for asking, but what's nuevo about that?
Apart from numerological spin. ;)
Chris
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:35:45 +0100
From: Dani Iannarelli <dani@TANGO-LA-DOLCE-VITA.COM>
Subject: Re: energy from close to open
And the farmer carted another load away...
Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM> wrote: What I love about nuevo tango is that you can start
with 3 steps (forward, back, side), do simple
variations on those 3 steps to create 36 or more
steps, and then add about 8 simple modifiers to each
step variation (boleos, secadas, ganchos, linear
boleos, colcadas, etc.) and come up with an instant
dance of about 250 possibilities, and then finally add
changes of embrace from close embrace to open embrace,
both facing to the front, both facing each other. etc.
etc. in order to finally achieve about 1,000 different
situations on the fly. To me, the nuevo tango system
really explores all of Argentine tango, not just a
single aspect of it. Nuevo tango can also be danced
close embrace style using the "pelican" to keep legs
close to the body, so the follower does not take up
any space on the dance floor, or the pelican can be
easily expanded outward instantly so the follower can
use as much floor space as the follower chooses. For
me, nuevo tango is so far the most interesting form of
Argentine tango that I have seen. It includes just
about everything that is possible in the dance,
classic tango, close embrace, whatever, and it does it
without the need to memorize steps.
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:12:05 -0700
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: energy from close to open
Dear Chris:
If you learn a system instead of just memorizing
steps, everything you do is always nuevo. Tango
becomes your dance instead of belonging to the teacher
who asked you to memorize his or her's figures.
Obviously, if you only use a single embrace, no matter
what it it, you are limiting yourself in the dance.
Nuevo is inclusive instead of exclusive. That is the
main difference, and it is an very important
difference.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
--- "Chris, UK" <tl2@CHRISJJ.COM> wrote:
> Derik wrote:
>
> > What I love about nuevo tango is that you can
> start
> > with 3 steps (forward, back, side), do simple
> > variations on those 3 steps to create 36 or more
> > steps, and then add about 8 simple modifiers to
> each
> > step variation ... come up with an instant dance
> of
> > about 250 possibilities, and .... finally achieve
> about
> > 1,000 different situations
>
> Excuse me for asking, but what's nuevo about that?
>
> Apart from numerological spin. ;)
>
> Chris
>
>
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Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:15:18 +0100
From: Dani Iannarelli <dani@TANGO-LA-DOLCE-VITA.COM>
Subject: Re: energy from close to open
...and the farmer carted YET ANOTHER load away...
>Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>Dear Chris:
>
>If you learn a system instead of just memorizing
>steps, everything you do is always nuevo. Tango
>becomes your dance instead of belonging to the teacher
>who asked you to memorize his or her's figures.
>Obviously, if you only use a single embrace, no matter
>what it it, you are limiting yourself in the dance.
>Nuevo is inclusive instead of exclusive. That is the
>main difference, and it is an very important
>difference.
>
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:34:00 +0100
From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@CHRISJJ.COM>
Subject: Re: energy from close to open
Derik wrote:
> If you learn a system instead of just memorizing
> steps, everything you do is always nuevo. Tango
> becomes your dance instead of belonging to the teacher
> who asked you to memorize his or her's figures.
And it doesn't belong to the teacher who asked you to memorize his or
her system?
Invisible fabric is available in every colour imaginable...
Chris
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:46:59 -0700
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: energy from close to open
Dear Chris:
An excellent point. Nothing is really new under the
sun of course....lol.
I personally would rather learn a teacher's system
than just copy his or her results. Learning the
technique gives one insight for personal development.
Just being a mimic is rather dull and boring...not
very interesting. My opinion.
Also, do not forget that the nuevo system came from
the studies of a group of teachers, not from just a
single teacher. That is maybe why it is so rich and
complex.
Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
--- "Chris, UK" <tl2@CHRISJJ.COM> wrote:
> Derik wrote:
>
> > If you learn a system instead of just memorizing
> > steps, everything you do is always nuevo. Tango
> > becomes your dance instead of belonging to the
> teacher
> > who asked you to memorize his or her's figures.
>
> And it doesn't belong to the teacher who asked you
> to memorize his or
> her system?
>
> Invisible fabric is available in every colour
> imaginable...
>
> Chris
>
>
> Send "Where can I Tango in <city>?" requests to
> Tango-A rather than to
> Tango-L, since you can indicate the region. To
> subscribe to Tango-A,
> send "subscribe Tango-A Firstname Lastname" to
> LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:15:30 -0600
From: Brian Dunn <brian@DANCEOFTHEHEART.COM>
Subject: Re: energy from close to open
Derik wrote:
> If you learn a system instead of just memorizing
> steps, everything you do is always nuevo. Tango
> becomes your dance instead of belonging to the teacher
> who asked you to memorize his or her's figures.
Chris replied:
>>>
And it doesn't belong to the teacher who asked you to memorize his or
her system?
<<<
Well, if someone gave me a fish (or "step"), the giver could have eaten it
(or danced it).
If instead he teaches ME to fish (or teached me to understand his system),
the fish I catch are mine, right? ;>
It's sort of like learning integral calculus - it's not really memorization
so much, it's more like understanding a process.
Brian
