2056 Example: discipline & freedom
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:51:15 -0600
From: "Frank G. Williams" <frankw@MAIL.AHC.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Example: discipline & freedom
Discipline:
Carlos R. writes, "One aspect of Latin American culture that is not
understood in the US (in my experience), is that in Latin America we make a
difference between music for dancing and music for listening, sometimes we
even make a difference among music for eating, partying, drinking, romance,
family, listening and dancing. I see many DJs playing music for listening
at the milongas, and it just kill the desire for dancing, dancing music
needs to move you, and needs to move the crowd."
Freedom:
Phil S. writes, "but sometimes one just needs to be a bit more creative with
so-called "listening" music -- where the tempo fluctuates and where the beat
sometimes is not heard clearly."
$0.02:
We each have to decide where to draw this particular line between freedom
and discipline. I don't criticize, but I try not to watch when
undisciplined tango dancing (of any style) is 'performed' to tango music for
listening. Some of that music seems to inspire the *worst* in 'musicality'!
;-) I do enjoy sitting and listening, but if I watch it can kill my own
desire for dancing.
The most important dancer at the milonga: the DJ!
Cheers,
F. - Mpls.
Frank G. Williams, Ph.D.
University of Minnesota
612-625-6441
Department of Neuroscience
6-145 Jackson Hall
321 Church Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Department of Veterinary Pathobiology
205 Veterinary Science
1971 Commonwealth Ave.
St. Paul, MN 55108
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:17:38 -0800
From: Carlos Rojas <Crojas@HACIENDACDC.ORG>
Subject: Re: Example: discipline & freedom
Frank,
Well said, I agree that the DJ is that most important person, but also
in my observations of tango communities in several cities, the type of
music played at milongas significantly affect the dance level.
In communities where mostly "listening" music is played at milongas
(i.e. Piazzolla, Hugo Diaz, elevator tango), most dancers will dance
open frame and concentrate on steps rather than dancing tango, thus the
dance level is not as good.
I think in Portland we are very lucky to have most DJs play danceable
music, I think that is one of the major factors that has contribute
significantly to a better dance level.
Carlos Rojas
Portland, OR
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Subject: [TANGO-L] Example: discipline & freedom
Discipline:
Carlos R. writes, "One aspect of Latin American culture that is not
understood in the US (in my experience), is that in Latin America we
make a
difference between music for dancing and music for listening, sometimes
we
even make a difference among music for eating, partying, drinking,
romance,
family, listening and dancing. I see many DJs playing music for
listening
at the milongas, and it just kill the desire for dancing, dancing music
needs to move you, and needs to move the crowd."
Freedom:
Phil S. writes, "but sometimes one just needs to be a bit more creative
with
so-called "listening" music -- where the tempo fluctuates and where the
beat
sometimes is not heard clearly."
$0.02:
We each have to decide where to draw this particular line between
freedom
and discipline. I don't criticize, but I try not to watch when
undisciplined tango dancing (of any style) is 'performed' to tango music
for
listening. Some of that music seems to inspire the *worst* in
'musicality'!
;-) I do enjoy sitting and listening, but if I watch it can kill my own
desire for dancing.
The most important dancer at the milonga: the DJ!
Cheers,
F. - Mpls.
Frank G. Williams, Ph.D.
University of Minnesota
612-625-6441
Department of Neuroscience
6-145 Jackson Hall
321 Church Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Department of Veterinary Pathobiology
205 Veterinary Science
1971 Commonwealth Ave.
St. Paul, MN 55108
