Falling off your axis...


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Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 18:01:09 -0300 From: Deby Novitz <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com> Subject: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... To: tango-l@mit.edu Evan!!!! I have a headache...jeesh, you scientist types...I think if you talk to any of the well known "dancers" they will tell you the same of what I wrote. How do I describe? I never look to the man to provide me with my balance or my center. I have my own. I don't know the names of all these steps, because essentially they were named for export. I just dance. I had that conversation with Roberto the other night. I told him that people always ask me things about colgadas, volcadas, etc. and I have no idea what they are talking about, I told him I just follow your lead and whatever it is you want me to do. (and that is about the only time I do whatever he wants me to do, so don't get any ideas..) His response? "Muy bien que dijo." (What you said was right.) He said that when he took from Todaro, from Avenellada, Balmaceda, there were no names, you just walked or did a giro. The movements become sequences. It was only when there was an influx of people from outside, that names were then give to the steps. Kind of like the 8 count basic which does not really exist here. (Kind of like how Argentines give directions...oh you know, that place on Entre Rios sort of in the middle of the block...near that other place.) Beyond that, I have executed many steps where we are not in front of each other, and to do them properly I need to have complete control of my body - which means my posture, my balance, and my center. (Think Tai Chi) I need to know where my partner's axis is and he needs to know mine, but if done properly , you never have to look, or even think about it, it is just there. Beyond that my friend, I don't know what to tell you. I cannot explain just like everyone else...sigh...where is the excedrine? Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:41:27 -0700 From: "El Mundo del Tango" <mail@elmundodeltango.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... To: "Deby Novitz" <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu> Deby, of course "names" do not matter for the steps. However, I hope(I really do) that you are not saying you can follow volcadas and colgadas having no concept (The key word here) of what they are, if the lead is good. That would mean any good leader should be able to pick any woman off the street and make her dance. Gabriel ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:01 PM Subject: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... > Evan!!!! I have a headache...jeesh, you scientist types...I think if you > talk to any of the well known "dancers" they will tell you the same of > what I wrote. How do I describe? I never look to the man to provide me > with my balance or my center. I have my own. I don't know the names of > all these steps, because essentially they were named for export. I just > dance. I had that conversation with Roberto the other night. I told > him that people always ask me things about colgadas, volcadas, etc. and > I have no idea what they are talking about, I told him I just follow > your lead and whatever it is you want me to do. (and that is about the > only time I do whatever he wants me to do, so don't get any ideas..) His > response? "Muy bien que dijo." (What you said was right.) He said that > when he took from Todaro, from Avenellada, Balmaceda, there were no > names, you just walked or did a giro. The movements become sequences. > It was only when there was an influx of people from outside, that names > were then give to the steps. Kind of like the 8 count basic which does > not really exist here. (Kind of like how Argentines give directions...oh > you know, that place on Entre Rios sort of in the middle of the > block...near that other place.) > > Beyond that, I have executed many steps where we are not in front of > each other, and to do them properly I need to have complete control of > my body - which means my posture, my balance, and my center. (Think Tai > Chi) I need to know where my partner's axis is and he needs to know > mine, but if done properly , you never have to look, or even think about > it, it is just there. Beyond that my friend, I don't know what to tell > you. I cannot explain just like everyone else...sigh...where is the > excedrine? > > Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 00:09:54 -0400 From: "Neil Liveakos" <neil.liveakos@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... To: "El Mundo del Tango" <mail@elmundodeltango.com> Cc: tango-l@mit.edu, Deby Novitz <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com> <737e9d3f0605082109t4cc75bedh729ef7a315fe7c0f@mail.gmail.com> One of the joys for a Milonguero is to be able to "pick any woman off the street and make her dance" well the very first time. But then every time should be as good as the first time. Milongueros don't lead volcados and colgadas unless they're On Stage. But they're not On Stage. Why would they want to go there? I'm going to have a drink with Deby while I pop one of her pills. On 5/8/06, El Mundo del Tango <mail@elmundodeltango.com> wrote: > > Deby, of course "names" do not matter for the steps. > However, I hope(I really do) that you are not saying you can follow > volcadas > and colgadas having no concept (The key word here) of what they are, if > the > lead is good. > That would mean any good leader should be able to pick any woman off the > street and make her dance. > > Gabriel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deby Novitz" <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com> > To: <tango-l@mit.edu> > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:01 PM > Subject: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... > > > > Evan!!!! I have a headache...jeesh, you scientist types...I think if you > > talk to any of the well known "dancers" they will tell you the same of > > what I wrote. How do I describe? I never look to the man to provide me > > with my balance or my center. I have my own. I don't know the names of > > all these steps, because essentially they were named for export. I just > > dance. I had that conversation with Roberto the other night. I told > > him that people always ask me things about colgadas, volcadas, etc. and > > I have no idea what they are talking about, I told him I just follow > > your lead and whatever it is you want me to do. (and that is about the > > only time I do whatever he wants me to do, so don't get any ideas..) His > > response? "Muy bien que dijo." (What you said was right.) He said that > > when he took from Todaro, from Avenellada, Balmaceda, there were no > > names, you just walked or did a giro. The movements become sequences. > > It was only when there was an influx of people from outside, that names > > were then give to the steps. Kind of like the 8 count basic which does > > not really exist here. (Kind of like how Argentines give directions...oh > > you know, that place on Entre Rios sort of in the middle of the > > block...near that other place.) > > > > Beyond that, I have executed many steps where we are not in front of > > each other, and to do them properly I need to have complete control of > > my body - which means my posture, my balance, and my center. (Think Tai > > Chi) I need to know where my partner's axis is and he needs to know > > mine, but if done properly , you never have to look, or even think about > > it, it is just there. Beyond that my friend, I don't know what to tell > > you. I cannot explain just like everyone else...sigh...where is the > > excedrine? > > > > > > -- Neil Liveakos www.MilongasBlog.com Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:40 +0100 (BST) From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com Gabriel wrote, apparently seriously: > I hope(I really do) that you are not saying you can follow volcadas > and colgadas having no concept (The key word here) of what they are, > if the lead is good. To be able to do a volcada (or anything) IS to 'have the concept'. What other 'having the concept' could there possibly be? > That would mean any good leader should be able to pick any woman off > the street and make her dance. Well of course. I do hope you're not saying a girl should not be able to dance unless she's taken classes. My favourite volcada girl has taken not one class in her life. Chris -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... From: "El Mundo del Tango" <mail@elmundodeltango.com> To: "Deby Novitz" <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:41:27 -0700 Deby, of course "names" do not matter for the steps. However, I hope(I really do) that you are not saying you can follow volcadas and colgadas having no concept (The key word here) of what they are, if the lead is good. That would mean any good leader should be able to pick any woman off the street and make her dance. Gabriel ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:01 PM Subject: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... > Evan!!!! I have a headache...jeesh, you scientist types...I think if you > talk to any of the well known "dancers" they will tell you the same of > what I wrote. How do I describe? I never look to the man to provide me > with my balance or my center. I have my own. I don't know the names of > all these steps, because essentially they were named for export. I just > dance. I had that conversation with Roberto the other night. I told > him that people always ask me things about colgadas, volcadas, etc. and > I have no idea what they are talking about, I told him I just follow > your lead and whatever it is you want me to do. (and that is about the > only time I do whatever he wants me to do, so don't get any ideas..) His > response? "Muy bien que dijo." (What you said was right.) He said that > when he took from Todaro, from Avenellada, Balmaceda, there were no > names, you just walked or did a giro. The movements become sequences. > It was only when there was an influx of people from outside, that names > were then give to the steps. Kind of like the 8 count basic which does > not really exist here. (Kind of like how Argentines give directions...oh > you know, that place on Entre Rios sort of in the middle of the > block...near that other place.) > > Beyond that, I have executed many steps where we are not in front of > each other, and to do them properly I need to have complete control of > my body - which means my posture, my balance, and my center. (Think Tai > Chi) I need to know where my partner's axis is and he needs to know > mine, but if done properly , you never have to look, or even think about > it, it is just there. Beyond that my friend, I don't know what to tell > you. I cannot explain just like everyone else...sigh...where is the > excedrine? > > Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:54:31 -0700 From: "El Mundo del Tango" <mail@elmundodeltango.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com <<To be able to do a volcada (or anything) IS to 'have the concept'. What other 'having the concept' could there possibly be?>> My point exactly, Chris. Thank you ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... > Gabriel wrote, apparently seriously: > >> I hope(I really do) that you are not saying you can follow volcadas >> and colgadas having no concept (The key word here) of what they are, >> if the lead is good. > > To be able to do a volcada (or anything) IS to 'have the concept'. What > other 'having the concept' could there possibly be? > >> That would mean any good leader should be able to pick any woman off >> the street and make her dance. > > Well of course. > > I do hope you're not saying a girl should not be able to dance unless > she's taken classes. My favourite volcada girl has taken not one class > in her life. > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... > From: "El Mundo del Tango" <mail@elmundodeltango.com> > To: "Deby Novitz" <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu> > Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:41:27 -0700 > > Deby, of course "names" do not matter for the steps. > However, I hope(I really do) that you are not saying you can follow > volcadas > and colgadas having no concept (The key word here) of what they are, if > the > lead is good. > That would mean any good leader should be able to pick any woman off the > street and make her dance. > > Gabriel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deby Novitz" <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com> > To: <tango-l@mit.edu> > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:01 PM > Subject: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... > > >> Evan!!!! I have a headache...jeesh, you scientist types...I think if you >> talk to any of the well known "dancers" they will tell you the same of >> what I wrote. How do I describe? I never look to the man to provide me >> with my balance or my center. I have my own. I don't know the names of >> all these steps, because essentially they were named for export. I just >> dance. I had that conversation with Roberto the other night. I told >> him that people always ask me things about colgadas, volcadas, etc. and >> I have no idea what they are talking about, I told him I just follow >> your lead and whatever it is you want me to do. (and that is about the >> only time I do whatever he wants me to do, so don't get any ideas..) His >> response? "Muy bien que dijo." (What you said was right.) He said that >> when he took from Todaro, from Avenellada, Balmaceda, there were no >> names, you just walked or did a giro. The movements become sequences. >> It was only when there was an influx of people from outside, that names >> were then give to the steps. Kind of like the 8 count basic which does >> not really exist here. (Kind of like how Argentines give directions...oh >> you know, that place on Entre Rios sort of in the middle of the >> block...near that other place.) >> >> Beyond that, I have executed many steps where we are not in front of >> each other, and to do them properly I need to have complete control of >> my body - which means my posture, my balance, and my center. (Think Tai >> Chi) I need to know where my partner's axis is and he needs to know >> mine, but if done properly , you never have to look, or even think about >> it, it is just there. Beyond that my friend, I don't know what to tell >> you. I cannot explain just like everyone else...sigh...where is the >> excedrine? >> >> > > > > Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:58:21 -0700 From: "El Mundo del Tango" <mail@elmundodeltango.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com <<I do hope you're not saying a girl should not be able to dance unless she's taken classes.>> Absolutely. That is what I am saying. <<My favourite volcada girl has taken not one class in her life.>> What cable channel of your dreams is this? Gabriel ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... > Gabriel wrote, apparently seriously: > >> I hope(I really do) that you are not saying you can follow volcadas >> and colgadas having no concept (The key word here) of what they are, >> if the lead is good. > > To be able to do a volcada (or anything) IS to 'have the concept'. What > other 'having the concept' could there possibly be? > >> That would mean any good leader should be able to pick any woman off >> the street and make her dance. > > Well of course. > > I do hope you're not saying a girl should not be able to dance unless > she's taken classes. My favourite volcada girl has taken not one class > in her life. > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... > From: "El Mundo del Tango" <mail@elmundodeltango.com> > To: "Deby Novitz" <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu> > Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:41:27 -0700 > > Deby, of course "names" do not matter for the steps. > However, I hope(I really do) that you are not saying you can follow > volcadas > and colgadas having no concept (The key word here) of what they are, if > the > lead is good. > That would mean any good leader should be able to pick any woman off the > street and make her dance. > > Gabriel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deby Novitz" <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com> > To: <tango-l@mit.edu> > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:01 PM > Subject: [Tango-L] Falling off your axis... > > >> Evan!!!! I have a headache...jeesh, you scientist types...I think if you >> talk to any of the well known "dancers" they will tell you the same of >> what I wrote. How do I describe? I never look to the man to provide me >> with my balance or my center. I have my own. I don't know the names of >> all these steps, because essentially they were named for export. I just >> dance. I had that conversation with Roberto the other night. I told >> him that people always ask me things about colgadas, volcadas, etc. and >> I have no idea what they are talking about, I told him I just follow >> your lead and whatever it is you want me to do. (and that is about the >> only time I do whatever he wants me to do, so don't get any ideas..) His >> response? "Muy bien que dijo." (What you said was right.) He said that >> when he took from Todaro, from Avenellada, Balmaceda, there were no >> names, you just walked or did a giro. The movements become sequences. >> It was only when there was an influx of people from outside, that names >> were then give to the steps. Kind of like the 8 count basic which does >> not really exist here. (Kind of like how Argentines give directions...oh >> you know, that place on Entre Rios sort of in the middle of the >> block...near that other place.) >> >> Beyond that, I have executed many steps where we are not in front of >> each other, and to do them properly I need to have complete control of >> my body - which means my posture, my balance, and my center. (Think Tai >> Chi) I need to know where my partner's axis is and he needs to know >> mine, but if done properly , you never have to look, or even think about >> it, it is just there. Beyond that my friend, I don't know what to tell >> you. I cannot explain just like everyone else...sigh...where is the >> excedrine? >> >> > > > > Continue to Axis: Bold As Love \| ARTICLE INDEX

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