4250  The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse

Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 22:50:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ming Mar <ming_mar@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
To: tango-l@mit.edu

If you've never seen the 1921 silent film _The Four
Horsemen of the Apocalypse_ (_Los cuatro jinetes del
Apocalipsis_) with Rudolf Valentino, you can get a
free copy from <https://es.arcoiris.tv/>.

Arcoiris is a source of free videos, and
es.arcoiris.tv contains the Spanish language videos.
You'll find videos about tango and Buenos Aires there.
Unfortunately, in many of these videos, the audio and
the video are not synchronized.

To get the video, type "jinetes" in the search box and
click "buscar." Then, download the video in the
format you prefer.

The original English version (i.e.: with English
inter-titles) was 134 minutes long and the original
Spanish version (with Spanish inter-titles) was 150
minutes long. The Arcoiris version is only 113
minutes long. It's a cut version of the English
version with Spanish subtitles.

Tango appears twice. Eight minutes into the video, we
see Julio (Valentino's character) dancing the tango in
a tavern in La Boca. Then, 34 minutes into the video,
we see a few seconds of tango in Julio's tango tea in
pre-war Paris.

There's a small anachronism in the video. The music
in the video during the tango tea is _La Cumparsita_.
It was written in c.1916, after the war started. I
don't know if the music in this video is the same as
the music that was played in the cinemas in 1921. I
would assume that in 1921 _La Cumparsita_ was new
enough that someone would have known that it hadn't
existed before the war.

The theme music for the four horsemen of the
Apocalypse is the _Ride of the Valkyries_. This music
is also in _Apocalypse Now_. I wonder if this is a
matter of coincidence or intent.

Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:37:03 -0400
From: "John Gleeson" <johngleeson@nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
To: "Ming Mar" <ming_mar@yahoo.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>

The original "Four Horsemen Of The Apocalypse" was a silent movie. The soundtrack would have been provided locally at the cinema -
typically by a piano or organ - and probably varied quite a lot between venues.
Any version with a music soundtrack included would have had the soundtrack added later.

I have a version with added music score - puchased on eBay - it uses neither "La Cumparsita" nor "Ride of the Valkyries"

Cheers, John G




----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:50 AM
Subject: [Tango-L] The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse

> If you've never seen the 1921 silent film _The Four
> Horsemen of the Apocalypse_ (_Los cuatro jinetes del
> Apocalipsis_) with Rudolf Valentino, you can get a
> free copy from <https://es.arcoiris.tv/>.
>
> Arcoiris is a source of free videos, and
> es.arcoiris.tv contains the Spanish language videos.
> You'll find videos about tango and Buenos Aires there.
> Unfortunately, in many of these videos, the audio and
> the video are not synchronized.
>
> To get the video, type "jinetes" in the search box and
> click "buscar." Then, download the video in the
> format you prefer.
>
> The original English version (i.e.: with English
> inter-titles) was 134 minutes long and the original
> Spanish version (with Spanish inter-titles) was 150
> minutes long. The Arcoiris version is only 113
> minutes long. It's a cut version of the English
> version with Spanish subtitles.
>
> Tango appears twice. Eight minutes into the video, we
> see Julio (Valentino's character) dancing the tango in
> a tavern in La Boca. Then, 34 minutes into the video,
> we see a few seconds of tango in Julio's tango tea in
> pre-war Paris.
>
> There's a small anachronism in the video. The music
> in the video during the tango tea is _La Cumparsita_.
> It was written in c.1916, after the war started. I
> don't know if the music in this video is the same as
> the music that was played in the cinemas in 1921. I
> would assume that in 1921 _La Cumparsita_ was new
> enough that someone would have known that it hadn't
> existed before the war.
>
> The theme music for the four horsemen of the
> Apocalypse is the _Ride of the Valkyries_. This music
> is also in _Apocalypse Now_. I wonder if this is a
> matter of coincidence or intent.
>
>

Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:29:08 -0400
From: "Richard Lipkin" <rlipkin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
To: "John Gleeson" <johngleeson@nc.rr.com>
Cc: Ming Mar <ming_mar@yahoo.com>, tango-l@mit.edu
<4d5149800605080829y36f04808qa85fbecef1e2ccf1@mail.gmail.com>

In Buenos Aires during the silent era, the music in the movie palaces was
provided by young musicians who later became the famous bandleaders of the
orchestras we dance to today. I believe Anibal Troilo, Osvaldo Pugliese and
many others started their careers this way.
According to the stories I have heard, many theater patrons ignored the
movie on the screen and paid their admissions just to hear the music! For
their part, the musicians ignored the cue sheets accompanying the film and
played tangos instead.

Richard
www.newyorktango.com


On 5/8/06, John Gleeson <johngleeson@nc.rr.com> wrote:

>
> The original "Four Horsemen Of The Apocalypse" was a silent movie. The
> soundtrack would have been provided locally at the cinema -
> typically by a piano or organ - and probably varied quite a lot between
> venues.
> Any version with a music soundtrack included would have had the soundtrack
> added later.
>
> I have a version with added music score - puchased on eBay - it uses
> neither "La Cumparsita" nor "Ride of the Valkyries"
>
> Cheers, John G
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ming Mar" <ming_mar@yahoo.com>
> To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:50 AM
> Subject: [Tango-L] The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
>
>
> > If you've never seen the 1921 silent film _The Four
> > Horsemen of the Apocalypse_ (_Los cuatro jinetes del
> > Apocalipsis_) with Rudolf Valentino, you can get a
> > free copy from <https://es.arcoiris.tv/>.
> >
> > Arcoiris is a source of free videos, and
> > es.arcoiris.tv contains the Spanish language videos.
> > You'll find videos about tango and Buenos Aires there.
> > Unfortunately, in many of these videos, the audio and
> > the video are not synchronized.
> >
> > To get the video, type "jinetes" in the search box and
> > click "buscar." Then, download the video in the
> > format you prefer.
> >
> > The original English version (i.e.: with English
> > inter-titles) was 134 minutes long and the original
> > Spanish version (with Spanish inter-titles) was 150
> > minutes long. The Arcoiris version is only 113
> > minutes long. It's a cut version of the English
> > version with Spanish subtitles.
> >
> > Tango appears twice. Eight minutes into the video, we
> > see Julio (Valentino's character) dancing the tango in
> > a tavern in La Boca. Then, 34 minutes into the video,
> > we see a few seconds of tango in Julio's tango tea in
> > pre-war Paris.
> >
> > There's a small anachronism in the video. The music
> > in the video during the tango tea is _La Cumparsita_.
> > It was written in c.1916, after the war started. I
> > don't know if the music in this video is the same as
> > the music that was played in the cinemas in 1921. I
> > would assume that in 1921 _La Cumparsita_ was new
> > enough that someone would have known that it hadn't
> > existed before the war.
> >
> > The theme music for the four horsemen of the
> > Apocalypse is the _Ride of the Valkyries_. This music
> > is also in _Apocalypse Now_. I wonder if this is a
> > matter of coincidence or intent.
> >
> >
>
>
>