3347 giros vs. molinetes
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:45:00 -0700
From: Trini or Sean - PATangoS <patangos@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: giros vs. molinetes
Hi all,
I have heard recently that the difference between a
giro and a molinete is that in a giro, both dancers
are moving around a common axis (e.g., a turn with
sacadas), whereas in a moliete, the woman is turning
around a man who is stationary (e.g. enrosque).
I always thought that a moliete was just the name of
the pattern the woman dances in a turn
(front-side-back-side), whereas a giro is any 360
degree turn.
Comments?
Trini de Pittsburgh
PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular social dance.
https://www.pitt.edu/~mcph/PATangoWeb.htm
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:26:49 -0600
From: Bruno <romerob@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Subject: Re: giros vs. molinetes
Definition of * molinete * by Maria del Carmen Silingo:
Molinete: It is also called giro to the left of the man.
1) The man marca the woman to do a front ocho.
2)The woman begins to turn (girar) to the left of the man. In step 1 close,
step 2 open (iguala) in the turning.
3)The man accompanies the woman turning obtaining the molinete.
4)The molinete is born of "the media americana".
5)The man marca the ending of the 8 movements to proceed to the resolution
or proceed to the continuation of the 8 basic step.
Regards,
Bruno
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Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:45 PM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] giros vs. molinetes
Hi all,
I have heard recently that the difference between a
giro and a molinete is that in a giro, both dancers
are moving around a common axis (e.g., a turn with
sacadas), whereas in a moliete, the woman is turning
around a man who is stationary (e.g. enrosque).
I always thought that a moliete was just the name of
the pattern the woman dances in a turn
(front-side-back-side), whereas a giro is any 360
degree turn.
Comments?
Trini de Pittsburgh
PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular social dance.
https://www.pitt.edu/~mcph/PATangoWeb.htm
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 11:18:21 -0400
From: Tanguero Chino <tanguerochino@NETSCAPE.NET>
Subject: Re: giros vs. molinetes
I thought Molinettes is just another (non-Spanish) word for "giro".
From the teachers that I have learnt from, giros means "going around",
and for the woman, means some sequence of "front-cross, open, back cross,
open". It does not matter if the axis of the turn goes through the man
or is between the two dancers. It does not matter what the man is doing
(sacadas, debujos, ganchos, etc). It does not even matter the turn is
360 degrees. They are all giros, just different executions.
In fact, as most already know, it does not even have to have multiples of
4 steps. It could be any number of steps that is 2 or greater.
The idea is that the sequence of steps presents opportunities for
pivoting, which is needed for direction changes in a turn, which, by the
way is what "giro" means in Spanish.
TC.
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Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:38:04 -0600
From: Bruno <romerob@TELUSPLANET.NET>
Subject: Re: giros vs. molinetes
> I thought Molinettes is just another (non-Spanish) word for "giro".
[.....]
> In fact, as most already know, it does not even have to have multiples of
4 steps. It could be any number of steps that is 2 or greater.<
My 2 cents:
Maybe, for tango music where the rhythm is not strongly syncopated and
marked figures such as molinete(s) could be done indiscriminately with any
number of steps. However for tango music such as Troilo, Calo, and others it
I would risk being caught dancing out of beat. Does not Tango dance require
a lot of precision in its execution?
I remember the following comments from Pablo Pugliese:
"We have to give the same value to the figures. If we do it bad once then
everybody will remember we have done everything badly"
Regards,
Bruno
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:47:26 -0700
From: Daniel Lapadula <clubstyletango@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: giros vs. molinetes
Hi Trinidad!
I do not see anybody using the term molinete in BA(I
may be wrong...)Instead giro and contragiro.
And I suposed it is the same.
The way that you want to execute it could be inviting
your partner to go around you in a static way from the
man(just pivoting) or interacting creating a
centrifugal force by both in movement.
Regards.
Daniel
--- Trini or Sean - PATangoS <patangos@YAHOO.COM>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have heard recently that the difference between a
> giro and a molinete is that in a giro, both dancers
> are moving around a common axis (e.g., a turn with
> sacadas), whereas in a moliete, the woman is turning
> around a man who is stationary (e.g. enrosque).
>
> I always thought that a moliete was just the name of
> the pattern the woman dances in a turn
> (front-side-back-side), whereas a giro is any 360
> degree turn.
>
> Comments?
>
> Trini de Pittsburgh
>
>
>
> PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
> Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's
> most popular social dance.
> https://www.pitt.edu/~mcph/PATangoWeb.htm
>
>
>
>
> dates.
>
Daniel Lapadula
ClubStyleTango@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:00:46 +0200
From: SOSA IUDICISSA Marcelo <MSosa@EUROPARL.EU.INT>
Subject: Re: giros vs. molinetes
Daniel, listeros:
What in many places, including Europe is called molinete, is also known
as Media Luna, and this term I do think is used in BA
Marcelo
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 07 April 2005 17:47
To: TANGO-L@mitvma.mit.edu
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] giros vs. molinetes
Hi Trinidad!
I do not see anybody using the term molinete in BA(I
may be wrong...)Instead giro and contragiro.
And I suposed it is the same.
The way that you want to execute it could be inviting
your partner to go around you in a static way from the
man(just pivoting) or interacting creating a
centrifugal force by both in movement.
Regards.
Daniel
--- Trini or Sean - PATangoS <patangos@YAHOO.COM>
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have heard recently that the difference between a
> giro and a molinete is that in a giro, both dancers
> are moving around a common axis (e.g., a turn with
> sacadas), whereas in a moliete, the woman is turning
> around a man who is stationary (e.g. enrosque).
>
> I always thought that a moliete was just the name of
> the pattern the woman dances in a turn
> (front-side-back-side), whereas a giro is any 360
> degree turn.
>
> Comments?
>
> Trini de Pittsburgh
>
>
>
> PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
> Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's
> most popular social dance.
> https://www.pitt.edu/~mcph/PATangoWeb.htm
>
>
>
>
> dates.
>
Daniel Lapadula
ClubStyleTango@yahoo.com
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:31:21 -0300
From: Deby Novitz <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Giros
To: tango-l@mit.edu
I will make sure to tell all the teachers here in Buenos Aires they
should not be teaching only giros, that they should be teaching women
molinetes. Oh yes, and then they should probably teach the 8 count
basic too.
You can call your steps whatever you want in your community. I could
care less. But here in Buenos Aires they teach giros. Plain and
simple. The word giro comes from the verb girar which means to turn.
Giros are turns. The teachers here do not get wrapped in in over
analyzing, tagging names, numbers, and formulas for teaching. They
simply teach - the caminata (the walk) ochos, and giros. This is the
basis of all tango, along with postura (posture) equilibrio (balance)
and equis. (axis) Unless of course you prefer to take from someone who
is teaching you patterns then you can have all sorts of fancy names for
your money.
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:02:12 -0700
From: "peterwesser" <peterwesser@oregonducks.org>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Giros
To: <dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
Hey Deby, how about the A the abrazo? Did you forget or...?
Peter
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>From: Deby Novitz [dnovitz@lavidacondeby.com]
>Sent: 3/16/2007 6:31:21 PM
>To: tango-l@mit.edu
>Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Giros
>
>I will make sure to tell all the teachers here in Buenos Aires they
>should not be teaching only giros, that they should be teaching women
>molinetes. Oh yes, and then they should probably teach the 8 count
>basic too.
>
>You can call your steps whatever you want in your community. I could
>care less. But here in Buenos Aires they teach giros. Plain and
>simple. The word giro comes from the verb girar which means to turn.
>Giros are turns. The teachers here do not get wrapped in in over
>analyzing, tagging names, numbers, and formulas for teaching. They
>simply teach - the caminata (the walk) ochos, and giros. This is the
>basis of all tango, along with postura (posture) equilibrio (balance)
>and equis. (axis) Unless of course you prefer to take from someone who
>is teaching you patterns then you can have all sorts of fancy names for
>your money.
>
>
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