He played her like a violin


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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:50:28 +0000 From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com> Subject: [Tango-L] He played her like a violin To: "tango-l@mit.edu" <tango-l@mit.edu> Men are from Mars. They speak a different language. When a man says, "He played her like a violin...," what he means is, "He expresses his musicality by leading her steps to accompany the music so harmoniously that her feet could be a part of the orchestra. He pauses to give her space to embellish at exactly those points in the musical score where such embellishments fit perfectly with the music, as if she were part of the orchestra." I dare say, it's highly likely that the woman who was dancing with the man so described would have reported a sublime experience of exquisite musicality. Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. https://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:30:26 -0800 (PST) From: Tango For Her <tangopeer@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] He played her like a violin To: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com>, "tango-l@mit.edu" <tango-l@mit.edu> Damn! Well put! I think everyone's comments where stated well for their viewpoints. But, I have to say, THIS is poetic! Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com> wrote: Men are from Mars. They speak a different language. When a man says, "He played her like a violin...," what he means is, "He expresses his musicality by leading her steps to accompany the music so harmoniously that her feet could be a part of the orchestra. He pauses to give her space to embellish at exactly those points in the musical score where such embellishments fit perfectly with the music, as if she were part of the orchestra." I dare say, it's highly likely that the woman who was dancing with the man so described would have reported a sublime experience of exquisite musicality. Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. https://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:04:05 -0500 From: Carol Shepherd <arborlaw@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] He played her like a violin Cc: "tango-l@mit.edu" <tango-l@mit.edu> Men may be from Mars, or they may be from The Planet Where They Can Be Really Offensive and Still Get Lots of Dance Partners. We all have our way of saying things and thinking about things. For all I know the dude I'm dancing with is mentally cutting me up into sirloins like Hannibal Lecter. He could be thinking any number of other disturbing and upsetting things that would offend my sensibilities if I only knew. As long as I don't know, and it's not in my face, it can't bother me. I certainly would go out of my way to avoid dancing with a man who objectified women with florid platitudes like "I played so-and-so like a violin" or "the follow is a brush with which I paint the canvas of the floor." I've danced with lots of male dancers who talk like that about themselves--yes, that's what they are doing, they are talking about themselves. In my experience, they are also mainly dancing with themselves. I just happen to be there for the duration of the song. Not my definition of good social dancing. Whichever way one's sympathies may lie in this matter, I would observe that this particular way of talking about tango does indeed seem to upset lots of women, they do not like the idea that a women is an OBJECT with which a man expresses himself artistically. So, depending on how full a leader's dance card is, it might be better not to advertise this way of thinking and offend a lot of follows. Tango For Her wrote: > Damn! Well put! I think everyone's comments where stated well for their viewpoints. But, I have to say, THIS is poetic! > > > Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com> wrote: > Men are from Mars. They speak a different language. > > When a man says, "He played her like a violin...," what he means is, "He expresses his musicality by leading her steps to accompany the music so harmoniously that her feet could be a part of the orchestra. He pauses to give her space to embellish at exactly those points in the musical score where such embellishments fit perfectly with the music, as if she were part of the orchestra." > > I dare say, it's highly likely that the woman who was dancing with the man so described would have reported a sublime experience of exquisite musicality. > > > > > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. > https://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 > > > > -- Carol Ruth Shepherd Arborlaw PLC Ann Arbor MI USA 734 668 4646 v 734 786 1241 f Arborlaw - a legal blog for entrepreneurs and small business https://arborlaw.com Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:46:05 -0800 From: Megan Pingree <meganpingree@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] He played her like a violin To: Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu> hi Jay I have to say that this issue of describing the follower as an inanimate object is often front and center for me. As a teacher, I am often reaching for metaphors that help students understand the roles. Musical instruments:players, and cars:drivers, and (the worst) even wheelbarrows: pushers! are metaphors I sometimes resort to -- always with some trepidation. Of those, I like the instrument: player one the best -- for the very reasons you so beautifully expressed. In a similar vein, altho not as objectifying -- I remember in BAires dancing with an old milonguero to D'agostino/Vargas, and feeling as tho I had been invited to participate in the telling of his life's story. It was his story, not mine, and I felt honored to help him tell it. Not a time for me to be playful or assertive in my dancing; instead, a time for me to do "active listening" (are you familiar with that lay psychology term?) -- to amplify, clarify, manifest, give him the feedback in my dancing that I understood and appreciated what he meant to express. Of course the music was a key piece of this story-telling. He knew every note and word, (and thankfully, it was well-known to me, tho I didn't understand a lot of the lyrics.) It was the bridge between us, or maybe the matrix within which we together told his life -- with me very much in a supporting role. Most of the time, I am not dancing with old milongueros! So most of the time, I feel as tho my story, or at least my mood and my understanding of the music are as much to be expressed as my leader's. In that case, being played like a violin is fine/ wonderful, as long as this player is skilled, and happy with my being a violin with her own personality, quirks, strengths -- as any Strad is. I wonder if sometimes a fine musician with a fine instrument feels as the the instrument tells him how she wants to be played, and he does her bidding. (I am trying here to allow for the instrument to be very active and expressive -- definitely a bit of a stretch for the literal-minded, as instruments don't willfully , consciously, take over --tho they may seem to by, for example, busting a string occasionally.) This is way more than I intended to write! I don't have time for this! Ok, I am procrastinating on dealing with insurance issues. Thanks for the diversion. :-) Megan On Dec 21, 2007, at 9:50 AM, Jay Rabe wrote: > Men are from Mars. They speak a different language. > > When a man says, "He played her like a violin...," what he means > is, "He expresses his musicality by leading her steps to accompany > the music so harmoniously that her feet could be a part of the > orchestra. He pauses to give her space to embellish at exactly > those points in the musical score where such embellishments fit > perfectly with the music, as if she were part of the orchestra." > > I dare say, it's highly likely that the woman who was dancing with > the man so described would have reported a sublime experience of > exquisite musicality. > Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:35:54 -0800 From: Ed Loomis <TangoBear@pobox.com> Subject: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin To: tango-L@mit.edu Hi folks, While I am sure that everyone posting to this thread means well I am amazed that it is continuing the way that it is. In American slang to "play someone like a violin" is an established figure of speech which dates back to the prohibition era during which "violin" was also often synonymous with the Thompson sub-machinegun, which was frequently concealed in a violin case. To say that I "played someone like a violin" means that I manipulated them to my advantage so cleverly and so completely that I made an utter fool out of them. Why is anyone even surprised that the ladies on the list are annoyed at the suggestion? Can we please put this flea bitten old dog to bed and just let it go?!? Ed On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:50:28 +0000, Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com> wrote: Men are from Mars. They speak a different language. When a man says, "He played her like a violin...," what he means is, "He expresses his musicality by leading her steps to accompany the music so harmoniously that her feet could be a part of the orchestra. He pauses to give her space to embellish at exactly those points in the musical score where such embellishments fit perfectly with the music, as if she were part of the orchestra." I dare say, it's highly likely that the woman who was dancing with the man so described would have reported a sublime experience of exquisite musicality. Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:26:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes Thank you, Ed, for finally bringing up the slang usage. It sounded to me as if the original commenter simply didn't have an adequate way of expressing himself. This thread started when Tango For Her described "the floor our my canvas and the woman is my brush." I didn't take offense because I don't see artists as being exacting the same way an accountant or programmer needs to be. Anyone else familiar with the Bob Ross paintings on public tv? In a half-hour show, Bob Ross paints a landscape and makes it look really easy. And "happy accidents", as he puts it, can become a rock or a tree. My view of artists is that they may have an idea in mind when they pull out a canvas (or whatever material) but that they are open to changing their plans if something else becomes interesting to them. Perhaps the artist loosely controls the bristles on the brush. Sometimes when I paint (in my case it's the walls and trim in my house) and the paint goes where I didn't intend it, I'll think "oops, the brush got away from me". When I do try to paint well in difficult areas without taping off areas, it's like I have to coax the brush into doing what I want. Perhaps that's because I'm not an expert at it. Perhaps Tango for Her's message might have been better received if it had been phrased with "as if" or "like" rather than "is". Trini de Pittsburgh --- Ed Loomis <TangoBear@pobox.com> wrote: > Hi folks, > While I am sure that everyone posting to this thread > means well I am amazed > that it is continuing the way that it is. In American > slang to "play someone > like a violin" is an established figure of speech which > dates back to the > prohibition era during which "violin" was also often > synonymous with the > Thompson sub-machinegun, which was frequently concealed > in a violin case. To say > that I "played someone like a violin" means that I > manipulated them to my > advantage so cleverly and so completely that I made an > utter fool out of them. > Why is anyone even surprised that the ladies on the list > are annoyed at the > suggestion? > Can we please put this flea bitten old dog to bed > and just let it go?!? > Ed > > On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:50:28 +0000, Jay Rabe > <jayrabe@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Men are from Mars. They speak a different language. > > When a man says, "He played her like a violin...," what > he means is, "He > expresses his musicality by leading her steps to > accompany the music so > harmoniously that her feet could be a part of the > orchestra. He pauses to give > her space to embellish at exactly those points in the > musical score where such > embellishments fit perfectly with the music, as if she > were part of the > orchestra." > > I dare say, it's highly likely that the woman who was > dancing with the man so > described would have reported a sublime experience of > exquisite musicality. > > PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh?s most popular social dance! https://patangos.home.comcast.net/ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:03:08 -0800 From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes. One more stupid joke. Do not read it, if you are busy. If you do not like violins, compare yourself with a guitar. Or may be double-bass? Ukulele? Berimbau? How about Grand Piano ! Igor Polk PS. I wonder, is there a person who understand my comparison without stupid historical associations? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:21:37 -0700 From: "David Hodgson" <DHodgson@TangoLabyrinth.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes. One morestupid joke. Do not read it, if you are busy. I have a better instrument. If you can get this one down and you will be able to copper coat your tango shoes. Cowbell!!! More Cowbell!!! https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnfyp_cowbell_fun David PS: there is no Tango in the video clip -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes. One morestupid joke. Do not read it, if you are busy. If you do not like violins, compare yourself with a guitar. Or may be double-bass? Ukulele? Berimbau? How about Grand Piano ! Igor Polk PS. I wonder, is there a person who understand my comparison without stupid historical associations? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 12/21/2007 1:17 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 12/21/2007 1:17 PM Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:52:36 +0900 From: "Astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes. Onemorestupid joke. Do not read it, if you are busy. To: "David Hodgson" <DHodgson@tangolabyrinth.com>, "Tango L list" What a hoot ! I love it, you got my meaning, bro ! Astrid >I have a better instrument. If you can get this one down and you will be > able to copper coat your tango shoes. > Cowbell!!! More Cowbell!!! > > https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnfyp_cowbell_fun > > David > PS: there is no Tango in the video clip > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tango-l-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:tango-l-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf > Of > Igor Polk > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes. One > morestupid joke. Do not read it, if you are busy. > > If you do not like violins, > compare yourself with a guitar. > Or may be double-bass? > Ukulele? > Berimbau? > How about Grand Piano ! > > Igor Polk > PS. I wonder, is there a person who understand my comparison without > stupid > historical associations? > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > 12/21/2007 > 1:17 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > 12/21/2007 > 1:17 PM > > > > Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:39:14 -0500 From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] He played her like a violin To: "tango-l@mit.edu" <tango-l@mit.edu> I agree with Carol. There are some things more important that Tango and one of them is how men think about and talk about women in general. Referring to a woman as an object, even indirectly, is unacceptable. Think of her in that way and it's only a short step to treating her in the same way. If men do that while dancing Tango - shame on you. Keith, HK On Sat Dec 22 3:04 , Carol Shepherd sent: >Men may be from Mars, or they may be from The Planet Where They Can Be >Really Offensive and Still Get Lots of Dance Partners. > >We all have our way of saying things and thinking about things. For all >I know the dude I'm dancing with is mentally cutting me up into sirloins >like Hannibal Lecter. He could be thinking any number of other >disturbing and upsetting things that would offend my sensibilities if I >only knew. As long as I don't know, and it's not in my face, it can't >bother me. > >I certainly would go out of my way to avoid dancing with a man who >objectified women with florid platitudes like "I played so-and-so like a >violin" or "the follow is a brush with which I paint the canvas of the >floor." I've danced with lots of male dancers who talk like that about >themselves--yes, that's what they are doing, they are talking about >themselves. In my experience, they are also mainly dancing with >themselves. I just happen to be there for the duration of the song. >Not my definition of good social dancing. > >Whichever way one's sympathies may lie in this matter, I would observe >that this particular way of talking about tango does indeed seem to >upset lots of women, they do not like the idea that a women is an OBJECT >with which a man expresses himself artistically. > >So, depending on how full a leader's dance card is, it might be better >not to advertise this way of thinking and offend a lot of follows. > >Tango For Her wrote: >> Damn! Well put! I think everyone's comments where stated well for their viewpoints. But, I have to say, THIS is poetic! >> >> >> Jay Rabe jayrabe@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Men are from Mars. They speak a different language. >> >> When a man says, "He played her like a violin...," what he means is, "He expresses his musicality by leading her steps to accompany the music so harmoniously that her feet could be a part of the orchestra. He pauses to give her space to embellish at exactly those points in the musical score where such embellishments fit perfectly with the music, as if she were part of the orchestra." >> >> I dare say, it's highly likely that the woman who was dancing with the man so described would have reported a sublime experience of exquisite musicality. >> >> >> >> >> Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. >> https://www.windowslive.com\?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 >> >> >> >> > >-- >Carol Ruth Shepherd >Arborlaw PLC >Ann Arbor MI USA >734 668 4646 v 734 786 1241 f >Arborlaw - a legal blog for entrepreneurs and small business >https://arborlaw.com > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 06:39:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tango For Her <tangopeer@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] He played her like a violin To: "tango-l@mit.edu" <tango-l@mit.edu> You know, I wrote a private note to Astrid because she deserved to hear from me. I tried to clarify and I think she deserves that. I made it a private letter, because I surely wasn't looking for any public acclaim in anything I said. But, sometimes I read these posts with wonder about some of the comments. Let's look at what Keith wrote: There are some things more important [than] Tango and one of them is how men think about and talk about women in general. I agree 100%. Seems he's on to something here. Referring to a woman as an object, even indirectly, is unacceptable. 100%? Really? Not even an object of beauty? Not even just for a moment? Okay, I see that if a guy does this as a way of life, then, he's headed for problems. Think of her in that way and it's only a short step to treating her in the same way. Everything is a short step to something! Let's rewrite that so that it has more weight: "Think of her in that way, as a way of life, and it's only a short step to treating her in the same way." Ah. Okay, now we can agree. Let's get back on track here ... If men do that while dancing Tango - shame on you. Ooooooh! A complete left turn. Oh well. Everything written before that sentence doesn't support it. No relation. No foundation. Sorry! I take that "shame on you" as directed right at me. Hmmm. My dance grew by leaps and bounds during those exercises. Some women thank me. So, I thought I would pass that fruitful exercise along. Astrid didn't appreciate it. I accept Astrid's point of view. It's a real life situation for her. I thought Carol's post, too, was insiteful. I think of a woman as an object once in a while: An object of beauty, a brush on the dance floor. That isn't very often and it surely isn't a way of being for me! So, I am okay with thinking like that, once in a while, to learn from it in tango. But, I do hear that women have to deal with men who are way overboard to the point of not listening to them, being brutes, demanding that they follow, throwing them around, etc. So, again, Astrid and Carol's posts are insiteful to me. But, Keith! Written a little differently, I agree with everything ... until that last line just sits there, unrelated, and says shame on me, the original writer on this thread. Did you really mean to slam me even when I state that I used it to learn? I can see how my choice of words was a little off and offended some women. I am sorry for that. But, Keith, it doesn't make sense to get slammed when your whole argument doesn't even describe me! Women who know me on the dance floor, know that I am kind, I listen during the dance, I most definitely hear the conversation that is going on, etc. You, probably, could call me, and plenty of others, anti-brutes! lol I struck an emotion in Carol and Astrid that I can, and SHOULD, accept. But, Keith, I have no clue why you wrote what you did. Let's see. Along that same way of reasoning: Some people are malicious when they drive. Malicious drivers get upset when they drive. Malicious drivers show that they are upset when they drive. Some people die because of malicious drivers. So, if I get upset, at home, shame on me. Got it! Keith <keith@tangohk.com> wrote: I agree with Carol. There are some things more important [than] Tango and one of them is how men think about and talk about women in general. Referring to a woman as an object, even indirectly, is unacceptable. Think of her in that way and it's only a short step to treating her in the same way. If men do that while dancing Tango - shame on you. Keith, HK On Sat Dec 22 3:04 , Carol Shepherd sent: >Men may be from Mars, or they may be from The Planet Where They Can Be >Really Offensive and Still Get Lots of Dance Partners. > >We all have our way of saying things and thinking about things. For all >I know the dude I'm dancing with is mentally cutting me up into sirloins >like Hannibal Lecter. He could be thinking any number of other >disturbing and upsetting things that would offend my sensibilities if I >only knew. As long as I don't know, and it's not in my face, it can't >bother me. > >I certainly would go out of my way to avoid dancing with a man who >objectified women with florid platitudes like "I played so-and-so like a >violin" or "the follow is a brush with which I paint the canvas of the >floor." I've danced with lots of male dancers who talk like that about >themselves--yes, that's what they are doing, they are talking about >themselves. In my experience, they are also mainly dancing with >themselves. I just happen to be there for the duration of the song. >Not my definition of good social dancing. > >Whichever way one's sympathies may lie in this matter, I would observe >that this particular way of talking about tango does indeed seem to >upset lots of women, they do not like the idea that a women is an OBJECT >with which a man expresses himself artistically. > >So, depending on how full a leader's dance card is, it might be better >not to advertise this way of thinking and offend a lot of follows. > >Tango For Her wrote: >> Damn! Well put! I think everyone's comments where stated well for their viewpoints. But, I have to say, THIS is poetic! >> >> >> Jay Rabe jayrabe@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Men are from Mars. They speak a different language. >> >> When a man says, "He played her like a violin...," what he means is, "He expresses his musicality by leading her steps to accompany the music so harmoniously that her feet could be a part of the orchestra. He pauses to give her space to embellish at exactly those points in the musical score where such embellishments fit perfectly with the music, as if she were part of the orchestra." >> >> I dare say, it's highly likely that the woman who was dancing with the man so described would have reported a sublime experience of exquisite musicality. >> >> >> >> >> Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. >> https://www.windowslive.com\?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 >> >> >> >> > >-- >Carol Ruth Shepherd >Arborlaw PLC >Ann Arbor MI USA >734 668 4646 v 734 786 1241 f >Arborlaw - a legal blog for entrepreneurs and small business >https://arborlaw.com > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 06:52:38 -0800 (PST) From: Tango For Her <tangopeer@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] He played her like a violin, brush, etc To: "tango-l@mit.edu" <tango-l@mit.edu> Let me rephrase, okay? "Based on some insiteful instruction that I once was lucky enough to receive, I have learned to, at times, suggest a lead as if to ask my partner to move her feet across the floor much like a long, feathery brush moving across a canvas. The sensation is incredible!" My original post was: "The floor is my canvas and the woman is my brush." I apologize to anyone that I have offended. If I am still offending any women, out there, then let me know. Some men from Mars try to learn from their mistakes. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:58:33 -0500 From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] He played her like a violin To: "tango-l@mit.edu" <tango-l@mit.edu> TFH, You're too sensitive; my comments were not directed at you at all - I promise. My comments were prompted by a previous post which included a comment by a man while watching a couple dance .... "that's great! he is playing her like a fine violin......." While obviously meant as a comment of admiration, it gives no credit to the woman for the beauty of the dance - other than as a compliant object that the man is using. Of course, I'm not a woman, but if I heard the expression directed at my wife while she were dancing, I would definitely take offence. My wife is a wonderful dancer and has been for more than 30 years. She's certainly not an object that somebody plays with. As for my comment .... "Think of her in that way and it's only a short step to treating her in the same way". You say ... "But, I do hear that women have to deal with men who are way overboard to the point of not listening to them, being brutes, demanding that they follow, throwing them around, etc." This is exactly what I'm talking about. These are men who treat the woman as an object, rather than as an equal partner in a beautiful dance. So why not - shame on them? Keith, HK On Sat Dec 22 22:39 , Tango For Her sent: >You know, I wrote a private note to Astrid because she deserved to hear from me. I tried to clarify and I think she deserves that. I made it a private letter, because I surely wasn't looking for any public acclaim in anything I said. > > But, sometimes I read these posts with wonder about some of the comments. > > Let's look at what Keith wrote: > > There are some things more important [than] Tango and one of them is how >men think about and talk about women in general. > > I agree 100%. Seems he's on to something here. > > Referring to a woman as an object, even indirectly, is unacceptable. > > 100%? Really? Not even an object of beauty? Not even just for a moment? Okay, I see that if a guy does this as a way of life, then, he's headed for problems. > > Think of her in that way and it's only a short step to treating her in the same way. > > Everything is a short step to something! Let's rewrite that so that it has more weight: "Think of her in that way, as a way of life, and it's only a short step to treating her in the same way." Ah. Okay, now we can agree. Let's get back on track here ... > > If men do that while dancing Tango - shame on you. > > Ooooooh! A complete left turn. Oh well. Everything written before that sentence doesn't support it. No relation. No foundation. Sorry! > > I take that "shame on you" as directed right at me. Hmmm. My dance grew by leaps and bounds during those exercises. Some women thank me. So, I thought I would pass that fruitful exercise along. > > Astrid didn't appreciate it. I accept Astrid's point of view. It's a real life situation for her. > > I thought Carol's post, too, was insiteful. I think of a woman as an object once in a while: An object of beauty, a brush on the dance floor. That isn't very often and it surely isn't a way of being for me! So, I am okay with thinking like that, once in a while, to learn from it in tango. But, I do hear that women have to deal with men who are way overboard to the point of not listening to them, being brutes, demanding that they follow, throwing them around, etc. So, again, Astrid and Carol's posts are insiteful to me. > > But, Keith! Written a little differently, I agree with everything ... until that last line just sits there, unrelated, and says shame on me, the original writer on this thread. Did you really mean to slam me even when I state that I used it to learn? I can see how my choice of words was a little off and offended some women. I am sorry for that. But, Keith, it doesn't make sense to get slammed when your whole argument doesn't even describe me! > > Women who know me on the dance floor, know that I am kind, I listen during the dance, I most definitely hear the conversation that is going on, etc. You, probably, could call me, and plenty of others, anti-brutes! lol I struck an emotion in Carol and Astrid that I can, and SHOULD, accept. But, Keith, I have no clue why you wrote what you did. > > Let's see. Along that same way of reasoning: > > Some people are malicious when they drive. > Malicious drivers get upset when they drive. > Malicious drivers show that they are upset when they drive. > Some people die because of malicious drivers. > So, if I get upset, at home, shame on me. > Got it! > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:48:30 -0800 From: meaning of life <kushi_bushi@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes. One morestupid joke. Do not read it, if you To: David Hodgson <dhodgson@tangolabyrinth.com>, Tango L list <tango-l@mit.edu> i tried to play my follower like a cow bell, and she beat me like a drum. are you all sure this is tango, i did not think dancing hurt this much. The Tangonista Sponsered by P.E.T.A. (People Expressing Tango Attitude) NOTICE - no cats were injured in the making of our music > From: DHodgson@tangolabyrinth.com > Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:21:37 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes. One morestupid joke. Do not read it, if you are busy. > > I have a better instrument. If you can get this one down and you will be > able to copper coat your tango shoes. > Cowbell!!! More Cowbell!!! > > https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnfyp_cowbell_fun > > David > PS: there is no Tango in the video clip > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tango-l-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:tango-l-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of > Igor Polk > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes. One > morestupid joke. Do not read it, if you are busy. > > If you do not like violins, > compare yourself with a guitar. > Or may be double-bass? > Ukulele? > Berimbau? > How about Grand Piano ! > > Igor Polk > PS. I wonder, is there a person who understand my comparison without stupid > historical associations? > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 12/21/2007 > 1:17 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 12/21/2007 > 1:17 PM > > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. https://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:49 PM To: David Hodgson; Tango L list Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes.One morestupid joke. Do not read it, if you i tried to play my follower like a cow bell, and she beat me like a drum. are you all sure this is tango, i did not think dancing hurt this much. The Tangonista Sponsered by P.E.T.A. (People Expressing Tango Attitude) NOTICE - no cats were injured in the making of our music > From: DHodgson@tangolabyrinth.com > Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:21:37 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes. One morestupid joke. Do not read it, if you are busy. > > I have a better instrument. If you can get this one down and you will be > able to copper coat your tango shoes. > Cowbell!!! More Cowbell!!! > > https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnfyp_cowbell_fun > > David > PS: there is no Tango in the video clip > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tango-l-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:tango-l-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of > Igor Polk > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes. One > morestupid joke. Do not read it, if you are busy. > > If you do not like violins, > compare yourself with a guitar. > Or may be double-bass? > Ukulele? > Berimbau? > How about Grand Piano ! > > Igor Polk > PS. I wonder, is there a person who understand my comparison without stupid > historical associations? > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 12/21/2007 > 1:17 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 12/21/2007 > 1:17 PM > > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. https://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:47:43 -0700 From: "David Hodgson" <DHodgson@TangoLabyrinth.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes. Onemorestupid joke. Do not read it, if you are busy. To: "'Astrid'" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>, "Tango L list" Astrid, I got a fever... and it's prescription is to dance you and more cow bell!!! David -----Original Message----- From: Astrid [mailto:astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 7:53 PM To: David Hodgson; Tango L list Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes. Onemorestupid joke. Do not read it, if you are busy. What a hoot ! I love it, you got my meaning, bro ! Astrid >I have a better instrument. If you can get this one down and you will be > able to copper coat your tango shoes. > Cowbell!!! More Cowbell!!! > > https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnfyp_cowbell_fun > > David > PS: there is no Tango in the video clip > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tango-l-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:tango-l-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf > Of > Igor Polk > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes. One > morestupid joke. Do not read it, if you are busy. > > If you do not like violins, > compare yourself with a guitar. > Or may be double-bass? > Ukulele? > Berimbau? > How about Grand Piano ! > > Igor Polk > PS. I wonder, is there a person who understand my comparison without > stupid > historical associations? > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > 12/21/2007 > 1:17 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > 12/21/2007 > 1:17 PM > > > ---- > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 12/21/2007 1:17 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: 12/22/2007 2:02 PM Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:48:17 -0800 (PST) From: NANCY <ningle_2000@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] (fwd) He played her like a violin/brushes.One morestupid joke. 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