5204 Help to find masculinity in tango!
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:40:40 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Help to find masculinity in tango!
To: Tango-L List <tango-l@mit.edu>
Igor says: "I was told that many men trying tango drop it because they think "tango istoo feminine".
Dear Igor not too long ago I was surprised to read in one of your notes that you believed that there are no gender roles in tango.
I do not wish to re-start a hot discussion of tango gender roles but I am not surprised that you are encountering such problems as the ones by you described.
I do not care if you (or anybody) likes to lead or follow or change roles back and forth, I do not care if men dance with men and women dance with women, if women lead or men follow. This is a free society and anybody should be able to do whatever he likes, but...paradoxically enough IMO, tango is universally accepted and cultivated precisely because in this dance the man is the man and woman is the woman.
This is the way we name the members of the dancing couple. We do not use the words leader or follower. We use the words Man and Woman. If I wish to follow I will say - " I will be the woman" (not the follower).
The man "marca", "LLeva", (directs takes the woman to places), the woman "sigue" (follows him).
He is masculine, poised, somewhat arrogant, he knows he is in charge, he feels the music, decides to make an artistic interpretation and leads the woman, he protects her, he is attentive to avoid collisions. He has intense, deep communication with her, respects her and gives her time to express herself.
She is feminine, applies her chest against his, like the bird that seeks refuge in his nest, she is attentive to his requests and proposals, she follows the best that she can, convinced that he is in charge, she is protected and has nothing to be afraid of. She surrenders to the embrace and he does the same.
Both work in total harmony and create together a beautiful tango.
The music stops, they remain together for a few seconds and then break apart.
If you teach that there are no gender roles in tango it is natural that many males are going to feel awkward dancing such variation of the dance.
You have to remember that your real character or spiritual persona comes out when you dance tango, as the dance is an expression of your personality. Those that have strong masculine or feminine traits are going to show them while they dance. Males won't be able to hide their feminine components and women will not be able to hide their masculine ones either.
So my advise to you is teach tango as it was originally conceived: a dance with definite gender roles.
In my experience men and women apppreciate that aspect of the dance which is present in most dances anyways.
Then allow each persona irrespective of their physical gender to adopt the role that they wish to play at the moment.
Respectfully, Sergio
Explore the seven wonders of the world
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:56:49 -0400
From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Help to find masculinity in tango!
To: Tango-L List <tango-l@mit.edu>
Sergio,
Thank you, thank you for once again putting everything back in perspective and explaining so clearly what I think is the true nature of Tango. I find
confusing all this talk about masculine/feminine sides and the masculine/feminine parts that are in each of us .... blah, blah, blah, blah. I am a man; I am
the leader. My partner is a woman; she is the follower. The more masculine I can be, the better I can lead. The more feminine my partner, the better she can
follow. We should stop telling men to "find their feminine side". Instead, we should tell our male students to ... be men, stand like men, act like men, walk
like men and embrace your women like men. And, to show I'm not a caveman, I completely agree with Sergio's descriptions of what constitutes masculine and
feminine behaviour.
Watching Americans dancing Tango on YouTube, it's sometimes difficult to tell which partner is the more masculine and which is the more feminine. I never
have that problem with Argentines who have no ambivalence about their roles.
Keith, HK
On Sun Sep 30 11:40 , Sergio Vandekier sent:
>
>Igor says: "I was told that many men trying tango drop it because they think "tango istoo feminine".
>
>Dear Igor not too long ago I was surprised to read in one of your notes that you believed that there are no gender roles in tango.
>
>I do not wish to re-start a hot discussion of tango gender roles but I am not surprised that you are encountering such problems as the ones by you described.
>
>I do not care if you (or anybody) likes to lead or follow or change roles back and forth, I do not care if men dance with men and women dance with women, if
women lead or men follow. This is a free society and anybody should be able to do whatever he likes, but...paradoxically enough IMO, tango is universally
accepted and cultivated precisely because in this dance the man is the man and woman is the woman.
>
>This is the way we name the members of the dancing couple. We do not use the words leader or follower. We use the words Man and Woman. If I wish to follow
I will say - " I will be the woman" (not the follower).
>
>The man "marca", "LLeva", (directs takes the woman to places), the woman "sigue" (follows him).
>
>He is masculine, poised, somewhat arrogant, he knows he is in charge, he feels the music, decides to make an artistic interpretation and leads the woman, he
protects her, he is attentive to avoid collisions. He has intense, deep communication with her, respects her and gives her time to express herself.
>
>She is feminine, applies her chest against his, like the bird that seeks refuge in his nest, she is attentive to his requests and proposals, she follows the
best that she can, convinced that he is in charge, she is protected and has nothing to be afraid of. She surrenders to the embrace and he does the same.
>
>Both work in total harmony and create together a beautiful tango.
>
>The music stops, they remain together for a few seconds and then break apart.
>
>If you teach that there are no gender roles in tango it is natural that many males are going to feel awkward dancing such variation of the dance.
>
>You have to remember that your real character or spiritual persona comes out when you dance tango, as the dance is an expression of your personality. Those
that have strong masculine or feminine traits are going to show them while they dance. Males won't be able to hide their feminine components and women will
not be able to hide their masculine ones either.
>
>So my advise to you is teach tango as it was originally conceived: a dance with definite gender roles.
>
>In my experience men and women apppreciate that aspect of the dance which is present in most dances anyways.
>
>Then allow each persona irrespective of their physical gender to adopt the role that they wish to play at the moment.
>
>Respectfully, Sergio
>Explore the seven wonders of the world
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:17:12 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Help to find masculinity in tango!
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
Hm...
Really, for the first time I have posted a real life question which I have
to resolve,
and
.. I only got 3 dumb answers of those who did not even bother to think what
I asked.
Well, thanks a lot..
Igor Polk
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:22:57 +0300
From: "Krasimir Stoyanov" <krasimir@krasimir.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Help to find masculinity in tango!
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
Igor,
Maybe your questions are not that well formulated as you think. I am not in
a position to provide an advice on this matter, but will write some comments
on your questions.
"But I am looking for advice how to make tango attractive for men who are
looking for masculinity in Tango"
This is far from clear question. What are these men who look for masculinity
in Tango? When I first saw AT performance, I just said to myself - wow, this
is beautiful, I wanna learn it. No masculinity or femininity questions in my
mind. It was just natural to me.
Do you mean the males who are not sure what they are? I don't think they'll
find it in tango, but it may help somehow. And I don't think this is the
type you need to attract.
Or the ones, that think dancing is for women and for gays? Most of these are
so sure of it, and so scared of dancing, that I doubt it you'll want to
spend time convincing them, unless they are friends or relatives. The
minority that have brains, will understand the simple argument that a dance
in which "a man leads a woman" can't be a dance for gays.
"As for ladies, I am deeply interested how to teach them be more feminine,
find that feminine power in themselves dancing tango."
This is far more interesting question. Ladies keep telling me that they are
modern women, and are used to leading, not following. Yet, they follow, but
badly. Precisely because they don't give the control over their body. They
follow, but don't surrender control. And this screws up the very nature of
the AT movements. I don't think anyone can convince them, until they see or
feel the difference. How can one show them? I don't know - tried many times,
some women will let you show them, but will be so scared, that will spoil
the attempt. Sometimes they are calm enough, they surrender, the dance
becomes far more natural and pleasing, but . . . they don't seem to
appreciate it, sometimes they even don't notice any difference. So my
conclusion - people are not uniform, some have talents, some not. You can't
force one to understand something, until he/she is ready for it.
Maybe it's the motivation - they don't see / feel / understand the beautiful
results, so they are not motivated, and they don't utilize their feminine
power.
So, this is what I am interested in - how to make them (both genders) SEE /
FEEL the beauty of "entrega". I saw (felt) it myself, nobody taught it to
me. So I don't know how to teach it to others. If possible at all. Trying
all the time by showing good examples on YouTube - no perceivable effect so
far.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: [Tango-L] Help to find masculinity in tango!
> Hm...
> Really, for the first time I have posted a real life question which I have
> to resolve,
>
>
> and
> .. I only got 3 dumb answers of those who did not even bother to think
> what
> I asked.
>
>
> Well, thanks a lot..
>
> Igor Polk
>
>
>
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:39:35 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Help to find masculinity in tango!
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
Thank you very much all those who took time to write good answers !
Now there is a lot of material for thinking !
While in the middle, since I see that I was very unclear in my question,
I'd like to clarify ( and I am able to do it thanks to your answers, thank
you again ! ) what I feel masculine and feminine power is.
Being masculine means when other men, say friends of a dancing men, admire
the dancing of the dancing man. And all them want to look and act like him.
Probably, it should include confidence, strength, agile movements, control
over the situation, and admiring expression of the face of his lady ( an her
loving embrace).
Inner Men's power is like that - confidence, ability to control the
situation, providing freedom and security to his lady, and may be at the
same time playfulness, risky, sharp, powerful dancing style - just to prove
his mastery in the first group of his abilities: "See? No matter what she
dances great!"
Shortly, ability to make her dance well with him and to show his friends
that it is very easy for him, and at the same time look the way men like.
Woman's power is not surrendness ( even though it is a pre-requisite to it,
as very well described by Krasimir ). It is ability to control the situation
by other means than direct. Ability to influence her man in such a way so
that he leads her what she wants and the way she wants. ( Surrender to fool
him that that it is he who in control ;) ) Ability to handle the situation
no matter what and look like a queen always. Ability to make him dance well
with her.
Admirers of the good women are... men too. They all want to rush and invite
her for dancing.
Well, I've just made it up, do not judge severely,
Igor Polk
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:03:50 -0400
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Help to find masculinity in tango!
To: Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
Hi Igor,
I appreciate your question and the sentiment behind it. You want to get more good men dancers into the tango scene and that's an admirable goal. However, I don't think it's a matter of masculinity vs. femininity or any such gender identity issues which keep some men away from tango. The men who think that dancing is for sissies and that men who dance are homosexuals, are not going to dance any dance unless it involves lots of alcohol and/or drug consumption and a sure fire chance to grope women ;-). This leaves all the other men who are not threatened by dancing. These guys might not stay with tango mostly because it's too hard to learn.
I will admit that watching the standard ballroom "Latin" dances, the men end up looking a little in the effeminate side. I think this is because the mannerisms that they do look more like a parody of the dance, their exaggerated hip movements don't help much either... This effeminate posturing is not prevalent in real salsa dancing or swing or tango. Still, when a jock type thinks of dancing, he perhaps thinks of the ballroom competitions he saw on TV.... Forget those guys, they'll never get into tango or any other dance. As for the rest, just teach them and encourage them to hang in there until they gain some confidence and a sense of achievement.
Manuel
visit our webpage
www.tango-rio.com
> From: ipolk@virtuar.com
> To: tango-l@mit.edu
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:39:35 -0700
> Subject: [Tango-L] Help to find masculinity in tango!
>
> Thank you very much all those who took time to write good answers !
> Now there is a lot of material for thinking !
>
> While in the middle, since I see that I was very unclear in my question,
> I'd like to clarify ( and I am able to do it thanks to your answers, thank
> you again ! ) what I feel masculine and feminine power is.
>
> Being masculine means when other men, say friends of a dancing men, admire
> the dancing of the dancing man. And all them want to look and act like him.
> Probably, it should include confidence, strength, agile movements, control
> over the situation, and admiring expression of the face of his lady ( an her
> loving embrace).
>
> Inner Men's power is like that - confidence, ability to control the
> situation, providing freedom and security to his lady, and may be at the
> same time playfulness, risky, sharp, powerful dancing style - just to prove
> his mastery in the first group of his abilities: "See? No matter what she
> dances great!"
>
> Shortly, ability to make her dance well with him and to show his friends
> that it is very easy for him, and at the same time look the way men like.
>
> Woman's power is not surrendness ( even though it is a pre-requisite to it,
> as very well described by Krasimir ). It is ability to control the situation
> by other means than direct. Ability to influence her man in such a way so
> that he leads her what she wants and the way she wants. ( Surrender to fool
> him that that it is he who in control ;) ) Ability to handle the situation
> no matter what and look like a queen always. Ability to make him dance well
> with her.
>
> Admirers of the good women are... men too. They all want to rush and invite
> her for dancing.
>
>
> Well, I've just made it up, do not judge severely,
> Igor Polk
>
>
>
>
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:07:21 +1000
From: Victor Bennetts <Victor_Bennetts@infosys.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Help to find masculinity in tango!
To: "'tango-L@mit.edu'" <tango-L@mit.edu>
<EBAF6BD07D1C6C42AF55D51893B4C6DA014F2EA85B@AUSMELMBX01.ad.infosys.com>
Dancers,
Thanks so much for the reply Sergio, which my wife and I both think is spot on. We think the leader and follower enjoy the dance way more when they both relax and accept the roles.
I just want to add a few observations of my own. In Australia there is also a strong macho culture which generally is sport orientated and regards dancing as for 'girls'. I have a lot of friends who are constantly being henpecked by their wives and girlfriends to do ballroom and salsa, mostly on the back of tv shows like 'dancing with the stars'. When I tell them I dance tango and love it they generally look at me as if I am some sort of traitor to the male race. So now I usually say something like 'ok, but in tango its not about learning a whole series of steps, the man improvises the lead (like playing jazz) and the woman must follow as if she is some beautiful instrument you are playing'. Generally I get no more questions about why I might like tango, I just get questions about how I can stand to see my wife dancing with other men :-)So I think if the classes emphasise the roles and the lead and the follow rather than slavishly trying to teach a series of steps (the hated!
by me 8 step basic) then men usually stick with it at least as much as women.
On the follow I would just add that I don't really like the word 'surrender'. Good following in my opinion is clearly feminine but not submissive. I see leading as a bit like getting up on the bus to offer your seat to a woman or opening a door for a woman. It is something clearly masculine that comes from a different time, but we can still enjoy it today without feeling that the woman is surrendering any part of her freedom. To mark a step is to make a rather beautiful proposal where you are not expecting anything in return other than the satisfaction of seeing the step followed well. The woman might be accepting your invitation, but she is not merely surrendering to you. She does have to trust you but she might be a better dancer than you. She might actually give you some feedback in the way she steps about the speed of the music or that she wants to do some embellishments. The dance just requires that she does that in the context of your invitation. In fact I would say th!
at dancing with a follower who just surrenders to you and gives nothing back is pretty dreary. You need them to step in the context of your lead, but to do it with some intention, resistance, intelligence whatever you want to call it.
Victor Bennetts
-----Original Message-----
From: tango-l-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:tango-l-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Sergio Vandekier
Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2007 1:41 PM
To: Tango-L List
Subject: [Tango-L] Help to find masculinity in tango!
Igor says: "I was told that many men trying tango drop it because they think "tango istoo feminine".
Dear Igor not too long ago I was surprised to read in one of your notes that you believed that there are no gender roles in tango.
I do not wish to re-start a hot discussion of tango gender roles but I am not surprised that you are encountering such problems as the ones by you described.
I do not care if you (or anybody) likes to lead or follow or change roles back and forth, I do not care if men dance with men and women dance with women, if women lead or men follow. This is a free society and anybody should be able to do whatever he likes, but...paradoxically enough IMO, tango is universally accepted and cultivated precisely because in this dance the man is the man and woman is the woman.
This is the way we name the members of the dancing couple. We do not use the words leader or follower. We use the words Man and Woman. If I wish to follow I will say - " I will be the woman" (not the follower).
The man "marca", "LLeva", (directs takes the woman to places), the woman "sigue" (follows him).
He is masculine, poised, somewhat arrogant, he knows he is in charge, he feels the music, decides to make an artistic interpretation and leads the woman, he protects her, he is attentive to avoid collisions. He has intense, deep communication with her, respects her and gives her time to express herself.
She is feminine, applies her chest against his, like the bird that seeks refuge in his nest, she is attentive to his requests and proposals, she follows the best that she can, convinced that he is in charge, she is protected and has nothing to be afraid of. She surrenders to the embrace and he does the same.
Both work in total harmony and create together a beautiful tango.
The music stops, they remain together for a few seconds and then break apart.
If you teach that there are no gender roles in tango it is natural that many males are going to feel awkward dancing such variation of the dance.
You have to remember that your real character or spiritual persona comes out when you dance tango, as the dance is an expression of your personality. Those that have strong masculine or feminine traits are going to show them while they dance. Males won't be able to hide their feminine components and women will not be able to hide their masculine ones either.
So my advise to you is teach tango as it was originally conceived: a dance with definite gender roles.
In my experience men and women apppreciate that aspect of the dance which is present in most dances anyways.
Then allow each persona irrespective of their physical gender to adopt the role that they wish to play at the moment.
Respectfully, Sergio
Explore the seven wonders of the world
**************** CAUTION - Disclaimer *****************
This e-mail contains PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by e-mail and delete the original message. Further, you are not to copy, disclose, or distribute this e-mail or its contents to any other person and any such actions are unlawful. This e-mail may contain viruses. Infosys has taken every reasonable precaution to minimize this risk, but is not liable for any damage you may sustain as a result of any virus in this e-mail. You should carry out your own virus checks before opening the e-mail or attachment. Infosys reserves the right to monitor and review the content of all messages sent to or from this e-mail address. Messages sent to or from this e-mail address may be stored on the Infosys e-mail system.
***INFOSYS******** End of Disclaimer ********INFOSYS***
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:55:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: steve pastor <tang0man2005@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Help to find masculinity in tango!
To: Victor Bennetts <Victor_Bennetts@infosys.com>, "'tango-L@mit.edu'"
<tango-L@mit.edu>
"Please, help to find ways to uncover masculine part of tango to
potential great leaders !"
This is acually an interesting subject which, to me, requires a review of
the changing roles of men and women in the U.S. in general (and perhaps
other English speaking countries).
I think these lyrics capture some of the confusion...
"Real Men" by Joe Jackson (1982)
Take your mind back - I don't know when
sometime when it always seemed
to be just us and them
girls who wore pink
and boys that wore blue
boys that always grew up better men
than me and you
What's a man now - what's a man mean
Is he rough or is he rugged
is he cultural and clean
Now it's all change - it's got to chage more
'cause we think it's getting better
but nobody's really sure.
Some of you may remember that we went through a period here in
the US where women routinely criticized men for being Neanderthals.
Many men responded to this by toning down the more overt aspects
of being male.
Soon, historically speaking, women started asking where all of the
"real men" had gone.
Because of my age, and the pre feminist culture I grew up in, I think
I have a pretty good idea of what "masculinity" looks like in dance.
Defining it point by point is not so easy, however.
It has a lot to do, though, with the fact that the man is usually bigger
and stronger than the woman. Both the man and the woman
accept this, and form their partnership acccordingly.
If you don't accept the biological difference between men and women,
I think you will have difficulty uncovering the masculine part of tango.
Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos.
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:57:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Help to find masculinity in tango!
Hi Igor,
Since your original question centered on techniques to help
men understand masculinity in tango, here are a few things
I use. As a female instructor who is 5'4", I've never been
accused of producing effeminate male dancers. The one or
two that have had some comment made about that were
undergrads, which I think doesn't count.
The basic idea is to take away the fear of the man to move,
especially the fear of stepping on the woman's feet. As
Tom pointed out, it's about confidence.
First, in the modern dance studio I use we're only allowed
to use socks or barefoot. This rule had the unexpected
benefit of taking away a lot of the fear of stepping on the
woman's feet. If he steps on her, he's not going to hurt
her. So he moves more confidently. It's worked out so
well, that we use "barefoot tango" a lot in our other
facilities that allow dance shoes.
Second, in my beginning classes, I always start the couple
walking side-by-side, as if they are taking a romantic walk
through the park. They are instructed to walk wherever
they want - backwards, forwards, randomly around the room
whatever. This is a natural way for men to get the idea
that they are "in charge". We then talk about those
dynamics. The seeds have been planted.
Third, when the men and the women begin to start dancing
face-to-face, it never fails that the man's fears begins to
surface. I address that in several ways:
- I remind them about the previous exercise.
- I talk about how the man needs to "invade" the woman's
space. He needs to get her to vacate the space before he
can enter it. I use strong words because at this point,
that's what the man needs to hear.
- I give them a visual example by taking the biggest guy in
the room and leading him to walk backwards. (The sight of
a 5'4", 110 lb Asian woman plowing through someone twice
her size is pretty effective. Perhaps your female dance
partner can help create this visual.)
Fourth, there are a couple of responsibilities I assign the
man, which I make clear.
- After the usual weight shifting exercises in which the
man is able to sense where the woman's feet are, I always
tell them that they are now in charge of her feet as well.
- Navigation. Head on top of your own shoulders (no
cuddling), eyes looking about the room, turns occurring
because you need to see what is happening as opposed to
turns simply being a step.
By this time, the seeds have sprouted and are growing.
There are further exercises that I do as needs arise
throughout the teaching program. However, I don't talk
about masculinity or feminimity or gender roles because my
job isn't to address their psychology on those issue. I
don't go into too much touchy-feely stuff either. What I
am is simply practical. Cause and effect. If you want B
to happen, then A must come first.
This approach works well for us, and I have a relatively
good retention rate of men. I should, however, say that
the market we reach tends to be people who are interested
in dancing, anyway. I find it a waste of time and
resources to just blanket the general public. And I'd
rather spend my efforts on interested people rather than on
half-hearted people.
I also agree with Tom about the importance of understanding
musicality. But I don't push it too much if the guy just
isn't getting it. Then I change tactics to help the man
feel confident.
Concerning your ideas about women being feminine, the
description you gave actually sounds to me more like
wanting women to be more "masculine" rather than feminine.
But I've written long enough.
Trini de Pittsburgh
--- Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:
> Thank you very much all those who took time to write good
> answers !
> Now there is a lot of material for thinking !
>
> While in the middle, since I see that I was very unclear
> in my question,
> I'd like to clarify ( and I am able to do it thanks to
> your answers, thank
> you again ! ) what I feel masculine and feminine power
> is.
>
> Being masculine means when other men, say friends of a
> dancing men, admire
> the dancing of the dancing man. And all them want to look
> and act like him.
> Probably, it should include confidence, strength, agile
> movements, control
> over the situation, and admiring expression of the face
> of his lady ( an her
> loving embrace).
>
> Inner Men's power is like that - confidence, ability to
> control the
> situation, providing freedom and security to his lady,
> and may be at the
> same time playfulness, risky, sharp, powerful dancing
> style - just to prove
> his mastery in the first group of his abilities: "See? No
> matter what she
> dances great!"
>
> Shortly, ability to make her dance well with him and to
> show his friends
> that it is very easy for him, and at the same time look
> the way men like.
>
> Woman's power is not surrendness ( even though it is a
> pre-requisite to it,
> as very well described by Krasimir ). It is ability to
> control the situation
> by other means than direct. Ability to influence her man
> in such a way so
> that he leads her what she wants and the way she wants. (
> Surrender to fool
> him that that it is he who in control ;) ) Ability to
> handle the situation
> no matter what and look like a queen always. Ability to
> make him dance well
> with her.
>
> Admirers of the good women are... men too. They all want
> to rush and invite
> her for dancing.
>
>
> Well, I've just made it up, do not judge severely,
> Igor Polk
>
>
>
>
>
PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh?s most popular social dance!
https://patangos.home.comcast.net/
Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos.
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:34:26 -0600
From: "David Hodgson" <DHodgson@TangoLabyrinth.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] FW: Help to find masculinity in tango!
So Igor:
Seems you have started a topic with some really good responses.
However I am curious.
How is my response a dumb one.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:17 AM
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Subject: [Tango-L] Help to find masculinity in tango!
Hm...
Really, for the first time I have posted a real life question which I have
to resolve,
and
.. I only got 3 dumb answers of those who did not even bother to think what
I asked.
Well, thanks a lot..
Igor Polk
