1713 Hip movement
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:35:20 EDT
From: Charles Roques <Crrtango@AOL.COM>
Subject: Hip movement
Judging from the responses about hips moving, I should clarify. Of course our
hips move when we walk but I was referring to a side to side sway. Hips
don't have to move up and down nor move from one side to the other. One can learn
to walk with the waistline remaining level instead of tilting back and forth
from side to side. This is achieved by using the adductor muscles (among
others) on the inside of the thighs to hold the hip and prevent it from falling as
we change from one foot to the other. It is not hard to teach nor execute. Many
good dancers do it and often teach it. Andrea Misse for one, using the same
reference to the adductor muscle.
Cheers,
Charles
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:19:48 -0700
From: Barbara Garvey <barbara@TANGOBAR-PRODUCTIONS.COM>
Subject: Re: Hip movement/teaching technique
We teach our students that the hips shouldn't move up and down or side to
side in tango, for example when walking forward, back or to the side the
hips should remain level . It's obvious (duh!) that they must swivel when
turning, doing ochos, molinetes, pivots etc. More hip and general body
motion is common in milonga and to a lesser degree in vals. All this stuff
about hip movement, where the center of the body lies, in the chest or the
belly button, etc. is really pealing the onion. Charles makes a good point
about the importance of the waist remaining level. Since the body pivots
naturally at the waist, let's just agree that the primary lead, marca,
invitation, whatever, should emanate from above the waist, whether that is
taken more literally as the diphragm, the chest or even the shoulders.
Florencia Taccetti refers to the diaphragm. If one concentrates on feeling
strong and lifted from the diaphragm one's chest comes forward and up
enabling a confident lead/follow. It also looks good. I have even regained
1/2 inch of the 3/4 " lost to gravity over the last few decades by
practicing good tango posture which is good thing for us vertically
challenged folks..
Posture is one of important technical aspects most often left out of
teaching videos, including most of the best ones, such as the Zotto/Godoy
and beginning Trenner/Burdett tapes. It is well addressed in the followers's
videos I have -- those by Rebecca Shulman, Florencia Taccetti and Carolina
Zokalski. And it is mentioned frequently in the new Tango Estilo del Centro
videos by Dolores de Amo and Daniel Lapadula. This is a delightful and well
produced series of 3, with frequent reminders about technique, however as
Steve Brown mentioned earlier, it is not aimed at beginners. I am not clear
how some of you milonguero purists would compare this style to the Susana
Miller close embrace, but these videos are so much fun they even turn on Al,
who finds close embrace way too limiting.
Barbara
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 5:35 PM
Subject: [TANGO-L] Hip movement
> Judging from the responses about hips moving, I should clarify. Of course
our
> hips move when we walk but I was referring to a side to side sway. Hips
> don't have to move up and down nor move from one side to the other. One
can learn
> to walk with the waistline remaining level instead of tilting back and
forth
> from side to side. This is achieved by using the adductor muscles (among
> others) on the inside of the thighs to hold the hip and prevent it from
falling as
> we change from one foot to the other. It is not hard to teach nor execute.
Many
> good dancers do it and often teach it. Andrea Misse for one, using the
same
> reference to the adductor muscle.
>
> Cheers,
> Charles
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:42:18 +0000
From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] hip movement
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
a comment and a question...
comment: one difficulty that occurs when women move their hips during a weight change is that the hip movement absorbs the change in the position of her center of mass, that is, her torso doesn't move, with the result that her leader may not realize she's changed her weight. This is clearly a bad thing. Conversely, in order for a leader to change his weight "transparently" or "secretly" without the woman knowing it and following with her own weight change (eg when he wants to switch between cross and parallel), he must keep his torso stationary, which then requires that he move his hips slightly to absorb the change in his center of mass.
question: what do you say about someone like Geraldine Rodriguez, who has almost made a trademark of her hip movement? Is she not dancing good tango?
J
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