5239 How to foster sustainable and unified communities.
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Amaury de Siqueira <amaurycdsf@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] How to foster sustainable and unified communities.
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Hello folks,
The following email show the exchange among dancers in anAmerican city. I have anonymzed clues in the message that could identifypeople and places to avoid further dissention.
My question are for the veterans that have spent yearsand great effort creating sustainable and unified communities. How can weas a group continue to thrive when dancers have such blunt disrespect for others?
I ask this question to the list for a simple reason: thecontent of the message below indicates problems that could deeply divide andhurt a community?
I don’t think this problem is unique to oneplace. On the contrary such blunt animosity may very well be the normrather than exception.
Constructive comments anyone?
Respectfully,
Amaury
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
One last time for those who may be "sitting on thefence" so to speak ...
This weekend, I am offering a series of 5 classes whichare tailored for the tango communities in and around xxxxxxxxxxxxx.
Some people are tempted by the workshops of xxxxxx xxxxxxxxand xxxxxxxx xxxxx, which happen to be in part coinciding with myclasses. You can see all the details of that program, as it was posted onseveral yahoo groups, which I copy for you for easy reference, at thebottom of my email here.
If you are considering taking their workshops, I suggestyou take a good look at the way they dance on one of the several videosposted on youtube, and while you are watching the videos, make sure themusic is loud enough to hear, because they are supposed to be teachingsome workshops on musicality, too. I suggest also that you payclose, careful, objective attention to the choice of the titles they havemade for their workshops. I suggest you ask some questions fromyourself about these titles in connection with what YOU think our tangocommunity needs, and what you yourself need in your tango dancing. xxxxxxand xxxxxxxx and the organizers won't do this for you; you have to do itfor yourself.
I was hoping that after he visited our community the lasttime, sometime last winter, xxxxxx xxxxxxx will offer somethingmeaningful this time around. So, I have read and read again theannouncements about his and his partner's upcoming visit, looking for aclue as to what their interest is in our tango community beyond provingthat they have some talent for the dance, and a need for money. I waslooking for a clue as to a genuine interest on their part in the growthof our community's UNDERSTANDING of the tango. Unfortunately for xxxxxand xxxxxxxx and for those of you who will be spending your time andmoney and energy with them, I have found no sign whatsoever of anysensitivity or respect for the makeup and the needs of the tangocommunity here in their proposed upcoming visit. Par for the course.
Straight to the point, there is no doubt in my mind thatanyone who is receiving this email and who is going to miss my classes infavor of their workshops, is going to lose on three fronts:
1) missing out on what I have tailored for this community
2) learning material from xxxxxx and xxxxxxxx that isgoing to be largely if not entirely useless, and that will add to theconfusion that comes with the deluge of this largely useless material.
We will be losing too: For the next few weeks or months,those who will be confused, and who may have a thick enough skin to readall this, and still come back to our classes, will come in and askquestions generated by this unnecessary confusion, that will take timeand energy to try to answer. We will of course answer, but even the mostlogical answers will encounter some resistance as I describe next: pleaseread on, because the next part is the most important part.
There is another dimension to the loss to those who willwaste their time and money and energy with xxxxxx and xxxxxxxx:
3) once you submit yourself to the process of trying tolearn what they will try to teach you, you will have invested more thanmoney, time, and energy. You will have invested with your feeling andemotions and aspirations and hopes. That investment is priceless. Youwill want to see that investment pay off NO MATTER WHAT! And for thatreason, you will be in a position to question even the most logical andsensible explanations of tango offered to you if those explanationscontradict what you learnd from xxxxxx and xxxxxxx.
If you don't believe this, I offer you (anyone) who willtake xxxxxx and xxxxxxxx's workshops, to come to one of my classesafterwards, and show me what you learned, and be ready to answer somereally, really tough questions, and prove me wrong if you can!
Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha!
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Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:22:06 +0300
From: "Krasimir Stoyanov" <krasimir@krasimir.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How to foster sustainable and unified
communities.
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
It all depends on who are xxxxxx and xxxxxxxx ;-)
I am not a teacher, but I have seen teaching couples spread "confusion" in
my tango comunity, so I don't know what to think of this letter. Yes, it is
not politically correct. But, sometimes I feel the same pain watching some
hard work's results destroyed in hours.
So, if possible, tell us who are xxxxxx and xxxxxxxx , then everyone will
make their own conclusion.
Otherwise, no com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: [Tango-L] How to foster sustainable and unified communities.
>
> Hello folks,
>
>
>
> The following email show the exchange among dancers in anAmerican city. I
> have anonymzed clues in the message that could identifypeople and places
> to avoid further dissention.
>
>
>
> My question are for the veterans that have spent yearsand great effort
> creating sustainable and unified communities. How can weas a group
> continue to thrive when dancers have such blunt disrespect for others?
>
>
>
> I ask this question to the list for a simple reason: thecontent of the
> message below indicates problems that could deeply divide andhurt a
> community?
>
>
>
> I don’t think this problem is unique to oneplace. On the contrary
> such blunt animosity may very well be the normrather than exception.
>
>
>
> Constructive comments anyone?
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Amaury
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
> One last time for those who may be "sitting on thefence" so to speak ...
>
>
>
> This weekend, I am offering a series of 5 classes whichare tailored for
> the tango communities in and around xxxxxxxxxxxxx.
>
>
>
> Some people are tempted by the workshops of xxxxxx xxxxxxxxand xxxxxxxx
> xxxxx, which happen to be in part coinciding with myclasses. You can see
> all the details of that program, as it was posted onseveral yahoo groups,
> which I copy for you for easy reference, at thebottom of my email here.
>
>
>
> If you are considering taking their workshops, I suggestyou take a good
> look at the way they dance on one of the several videosposted on youtube,
> and while you are watching the videos, make sure themusic is loud enough
> to hear, because they are supposed to be teachingsome workshops on
> musicality, too. I suggest also that you payclose, careful, objective
> attention to the choice of the titles they havemade for their workshops.
> I suggest you ask some questions fromyourself about these titles in
> connection with what YOU think our tangocommunity needs, and what you
> yourself need in your tango dancing. xxxxxxand xxxxxxxx and the
> organizers won't do this for you; you have to do itfor yourself.
>
>
>
> I was hoping that after he visited our community the lasttime, sometime
> last winter, xxxxxx xxxxxxx will offer somethingmeaningful this time
> around. So, I have read and read again theannouncements about his and his
> partner's upcoming visit, looking for aclue as to what their interest is
> in our tango community beyond provingthat they have some talent for the
> dance, and a need for money. I waslooking for a clue as to a genuine
> interest on their part in the growthof our community's UNDERSTANDING of
> the tango. Unfortunately for xxxxxand xxxxxxxx and for those of you who
> will be spending your time andmoney and energy with them, I have found no
> sign whatsoever of anysensitivity or respect for the makeup and the needs
> of the tangocommunity here in their proposed upcoming visit. Par for the
> course.
>
>
>
> Straight to the point, there is no doubt in my mind thatanyone who is
> receiving this email and who is going to miss my classes infavor of their
> workshops, is going to lose on three fronts:
>
>
>
> 1) missing out on what I have tailored for this community
>
> 2) learning material from xxxxxx and xxxxxxxx that isgoing to be largely
> if not entirely useless, and that will add to theconfusion that comes
> with the deluge of this largely useless material.
>
>
>
> We will be losing too: For the next few weeks or months,those who will be
> confused, and who may have a thick enough skin to readall this, and still
> come back to our classes, will come in and askquestions generated by this
> unnecessary confusion, that will take timeand energy to try to answer. We
> will of course answer, but even the mostlogical answers will encounter
> some resistance as I describe next: pleaseread on, because the next part
> is the most important part.
>
>
>
> There is another dimension to the loss to those who willwaste their time
> and money and energy with xxxxxx and xxxxxxxx:
>
>
>
> 3) once you submit yourself to the process of trying tolearn what they
> will try to teach you, you will have invested more thanmoney, time, and
> energy. You will have invested with your feeling andemotions and
> aspirations and hopes. That investment is priceless. Youwill want to see
> that investment pay off NO MATTER WHAT! And for thatreason, you will be
> in a position to question even the most logical andsensible explanations
> of tango offered to you if those explanationscontradict what you learnd
> from xxxxxx and xxxxxxx.
>
>
>
> If you don't believe this, I offer you (anyone) who willtake xxxxxx and
> xxxxxxxx's workshops, to come to one of my classesafterwards, and show me
> what you learned, and be ready to answer somereally, really tough
> questions, and prove me wrong if you can!
>
>
>
>
>
> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha!
> Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo!
> Games.
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:47:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How to foster sustainable and unified
communities.
To: amaurycdsf@yahoo.com, tango-l@mit.edu
I'd say that the sender is showing his/her insecurities. I
would think that anyone who has worked hard to build a
tango community should be confident enough in his/her work
that it would stand up on its own. In my opinion, this
sender is only hurting himself.
Trini de Pittsburgh
--- Amaury de Siqueira <amaurycdsf@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello folks,
>
>
>
> The following email show the exchange among dancers in
> anAmerican city. I have anonymzed clues in the message
> that could identifypeople and places to avoid further
> dissention.
>
>
>
> My question are for the veterans that have spent yearsand
> great effort creating sustainable and unified
> communities. How can weas a group continue to thrive
> when dancers have such blunt disrespect for others?
>
>
>
> I ask this question to the list for a simple reason:
> thecontent of the message below indicates problems that
> could deeply divide andhurt a community?
>
>
>
> I don?t think this problem is unique to oneplace.
> On the contrary such blunt animosity may very well be the
> normrather than exception.
>
>
>
> Constructive comments anyone?
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Amaury
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
> One last time for those who may be "sitting on thefence"
> so to speak ...
>
>
>
> This weekend, I am offering a series of 5 classes
> whichare tailored for the tango communities in and
> around xxxxxxxxxxxxx.
>
>
>
> Some people are tempted by the workshops of xxxxxx
> xxxxxxxxand xxxxxxxx xxxxx, which happen to be in part
> coinciding with myclasses. You can see all the details
> of that program, as it was posted onseveral yahoo
> groups, which I copy for you for easy reference, at
> thebottom of my email here.
>
>
>
>
etc
PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh?s most popular social dance!
https://patangos.home.comcast.net/
Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:49:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Amaury de Siqueira <amaurycdsf@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How to foster sustainable and unified
communities.
To: "'Trini y Sean \(PATangoS\)'" <patangos@yahoo.com>,
tango-l@mit.edu
Good point Trini!
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:48 AM
To: amaurycdsf@yahoo.com; tango-l@mit.edu
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How to foster sustainable and
unified communities.
I'd say that the sender is showing his/her
insecurities. I
would think that anyone who has worked hard to build a
tango community should be confident enough in his/her
work
that it would stand up on its own. In my opinion,
this
sender is only hurting himself.
Trini de Pittsburgh
--- Amaury de Siqueira <amaurycdsf@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello folks,
>
>
>
> The following email show the exchange among dancers
in
> anAmerican city. I have anonymzed clues in the
message
> that could identifypeople and places to avoid
further
> dissention.
>
>
>
> My question are for the veterans that have spent
yearsand
> great effort creating sustainable and unified
> communities. How can weas a group continue to
thrive
> when dancers have such blunt disrespect for others?
>
>
>
> I ask this question to the list for a simple reason:
> thecontent of the message below indicates problems
that
> could deeply divide andhurt a community?
>
>
>
> I don't think this problem is unique to oneplace.
> On the contrary such blunt animosity may very well
be the
> normrather than exception.
>
>
>
> Constructive comments anyone?
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Amaury
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
> One last time for those who may be "sitting on
thefence"
> so to speak ...
>
>
>
> This weekend, I am offering a series of 5 classes
> whichare tailored for the tango communities in and
> around xxxxxxxxxxxxx.
>
>
>
> Some people are tempted by the workshops of xxxxxx
> xxxxxxxxand xxxxxxxx xxxxx, which happen to be in
part
> coinciding with myclasses. You can see all the
details
> of that program, as it was posted onseveral yahoo
> groups, which I copy for you for easy reference, at
> thebottom of my email here.
>
>
>
>
etc
PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's
most popular social
dance!
https://patangos.home.comcast.net/
________
Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here
and Now (it's updated
for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:55:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How to foster sustainable and unified
communities.
To: amaurycdsf@yahoo.com, tango-l@mit.edu
It's also very unprofessional to put ones students in that
situation - where they feel that they have to choose to
take a workshop at the risk of hurting someone else's
feelings. It shows disrespect to the students.
Trini de Pittsburgh
--- Amaury de Siqueira <amaurycdsf@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Good point Trini!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
> [mailto:patangos@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:48 AM
> To: amaurycdsf@yahoo.com; tango-l@mit.edu
> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How to foster sustainable and
> unified communities.
>
> I'd say that the sender is showing his/her
> insecurities. I
> would think that anyone who has worked hard to build a
> tango community should be confident enough in his/her
> work
> that it would stand up on its own. In my opinion,
> this
> sender is only hurting himself.
>
> Trini de Pittsburgh
>
> --- Amaury de Siqueira <amaurycdsf@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello folks,
> >
> >
> >
> > The following email show the exchange among dancers
> in
> > anAmerican city. I have anonymzed clues in the
> message
> > that could identifypeople and places to avoid
> further
> > dissention.
> >
> >
> >
> > My question are for the veterans that have spent
> yearsand
> > great effort creating sustainable and unified
> > communities. How can weas a group continue to
> thrive
> > when dancers have such blunt disrespect for others?
> >
> >
> >
> > I ask this question to the list for a simple reason:
>
> > thecontent of the message below indicates problems
> that
> > could deeply divide andhurt a community?
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think this problem is unique to oneplace.
> > On the contrary such blunt animosity may very well
> be the
> > normrather than exception.
> >
> >
> >
> > Constructive comments anyone?
> >
> >
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Amaury
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> >
> >
> > One last time for those who may be "sitting on
> thefence"
> > so to speak ...
> >
> >
> >
> > This weekend, I am offering a series of 5 classes
> > whichare tailored for the tango communities in and
> > around xxxxxxxxxxxxx.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some people are tempted by the workshops of xxxxxx
> > xxxxxxxxand xxxxxxxx xxxxx, which happen to be in
> part
> > coinciding with myclasses. You can see all the
> details
> > of that program, as it was posted onseveral yahoo
> > groups, which I copy for you for easy reference, at
> > thebottom of my email here.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> etc
>
> PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
> Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's
> most popular social
> dance!
> https://patangos.home.comcast.net/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________
> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here
> and Now (it's updated
> for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:14:34 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How to foster sustainable and unified
communities.
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
What styles of tango were represented on these 2 workshops?
What style of tango was promoted by the sender of that message?
Igor Polk
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 15:22:59 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How to foster sustainable and unified
communities.
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
It is all nonsense.
The only question is Who are xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
And what styles where taught at the conflicting workshops.
Do not require too much from the organizer who send the e-mail. We are all
people and some of the organizers luck necessary communication skills. They
can make mistakes. But it looks like the organizer was thinking about good
tango which is a +. So to excuse or blame the sender depends only on who are
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
And who is the teacher of another workshop.
Igor Polk
