4890  How many pivots?

Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:08:03 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] How many pivots?
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>

So, is there only 2 techniques to make a pivot?
"Dissociation" and "Spirals" ?

Igor Polk
PS I do not think that "the impetus from the hip" is necessary to make the
pivot. It is possible to use it but not necessary.

Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:01:42 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] How many pivots?
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>

So, Trini, is there only 2 techniques to make a pivot?
"Dissociation" with "the impetus from the hip" and "Spirals" ?

Igor Polk

Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:19:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How many pivots?

Hi Igor,

Actually, beginners sometimes try to use their foot to pivot, resulting in a hopping pivot. Some people throw their shoulders. Some throw their leg. These last 2 result in spirals but also tend to result in loss of balance. That's all I can think of.

Nighty-night,
Trini

Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:
So, Trini, is there only 2 techniques to make a pivot?
"Dissociation" with "the impetus from the hip" and "Spirals" ?

Igor Polk




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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:45:30 -0700
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How many pivots?

Trini,
I am not able to answer you, I do not want to look as a beginner.
So, if you are so sure there are only 2 good methods of making a pivot, so
be it.
Everyone else can find an answer on my site.

Igor Polk.



Hi Igor,

Actually, beginners sometimes try to use their foot to pivot, resulting in
a hopping pivot. Some people throw their shoulders. Some throw their leg.
These last 2 result in spirals but also tend to result in loss of balance.
That's all I can think of.

Nighty-night,
Trini

Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:
So, Trini, is there only 2 techniques to make a pivot?
"Dissociation" with "the impetus from the hip" and "Spirals" ?

Igor Polk

Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:13:47 +1000
From: Gary Barnes <garybarn@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How many pivots?

Hi all

Well, I was watching a contemporary dance class last night and saw
maybe 15 different ways of making a pivot in 30 minutes (depending on
the woolliness of your meaning of 'pivot'). Some of these may be
useful in some kinds of tango, but not most.

Perhaps better questions are:

1) 'What styles of pivot do I think belong in the tango I want to
dance'
2) 'What do I need to do to make them work'

The discussion so far provides some useful technical pointers about
question 2, for verbal learners like me.

Question 1 is probably better answered by watching people dance, and
dancing with people.

my 2.2 c (with local taxes)

Gary


On 19/04/2007, at 4:19 PM, Trini y Sean (PATangoS) wrote:

> Hi Igor,
>
> Actually, beginners sometimes try to use their foot to pivot,
> resulting in a hopping pivot. Some people throw their shoulders.
> Some throw their leg. These last 2 result in spirals but also tend
> to result in loss of balance. That's all I can think of.
>
> Nighty-night,
> Trini
>
> Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:
> So, Trini, is there only 2 techniques to make a pivot?
> "Dissociation" with "the impetus from the hip" and "Spirals" ?
>
> Igor Polk
>
>
>
>
> PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
> Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular
> social dance.
> https://patangos.home.comcast.net/
>
>
> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:43:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] How many pivots?

Igor,

Now this is where video could come in handy. I have no idea what a shin boleo or a heap boleo is.

My analysis was limited to a person's specific body movement. Your blog reminded me of another pivot in which I have no torsion, but the man is basically going around my center (as in a calesita, for example). Getting two people together can result in using energy to pivot.

It appears to me, though, that some of your analysis may have to do more with velocity than creating a different way of pivoting. Or possibly with leading the pivot, which to me is different from the pivot itself (e.g. you can lead me to do a boleo using only your left arm or without no arms but my pivoting remains the same). I'd be interested if you can elaborate more on your ways of pivoting. (Words are fine. No need to start videotaping, yet. )

Trini de Pittsburgh

Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:
Trini,
I am not able to answer you, I do not want to look as a beginner.
So, if you are so sure there are only 2 good methods of making a pivot, so
be it.
Everyone else can find an answer on my site.

Igor Polk.



Hi Igor,

Actually, beginners sometimes try to use their foot to pivot, resulting in
a hopping pivot. Some people throw their shoulders. Some throw their leg.
These last 2 result in spirals but also tend to result in loss of balance.
That's all I can think of.

Nighty-night,
Trini

Igor Polk wrote:
So, Trini, is there only 2 techniques to make a pivot?
"Dissociation" with "the impetus from the hip" and "Spirals" ?

Igor Polk



PATangoS - Pittsburgh Argentine Tango Society
Our Mission: To make Argentine Tango Pittsburgh's most popular social dance.
https://patangos.home.comcast.net/


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