5535 Igor Polk is off the list and Nino Bien
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:05 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Igor Polk is off the list and Nino Bien
Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com
Forwarded from direct mail:
*Subject:* Igor Polk is off the list and Nino Bien
*From:* "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
*To:* <ipolk@virtuar.com>
*CC:* [snip]
*Date:* Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:54:48 -0800
Igor Polk is writing this:
I have posted recently to Tango-L but I have received this message:
Your mail to 'Tango-L' with the subject
Nino Bien
Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
The reason it is being held:
Post to moderated list
Shortly speaking, I can not stand it. The list was perfectly well without
any moderation. The moderator ( or "owner" ) has refused to publish my
post "Our list is moderated !!!" which was notifying you about the
situation and my inabilty to "comply with the rules"
I belive in freedom, and no any moderator can tell people what to do and
refuse communication. I am not able to post messages to Tango-L unless the
moderator apologises.
So, please if you do not mind, I will ask my questions with the direct
e-mail. I am going to do it with people with whom I had meaningful
conversation in the past and value your opinion. I hope you do not mind.
If not - just tell me.
This list as you can see is CC - i.e. public. Without any restrictions,
and containes acive members of Tango-L. If there is anything like that
already, I'd be happy to join.
You can e-mail me back too, and even to the whole CC-list.
******
So, my question is
"Nino Bien", is it a place where mostly tourists go ?
and question 2:
Who invented "8-count basic" ?
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:12:59 -0500
From: Carol Shepherd <arborlaw@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Igor Polk is off the list and Nino Bien
To: Tango List <tango-l@mit.edu>
I'd like to hear about why this happened as well.
It's not like Igor is *more* irascible than the average irascible person
on the list, he's warm and fuzzy in his own stubborn and highly
opinionated way.
(as are we all)
CS
Chris, UK wrote:
> Forwarded from direct mail:
>
> *Subject:* Igor Polk is off the list and Nino Bien
> *From:* "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
> *To:* <ipolk@virtuar.com>
> *CC:* [snip]
> *Date:* Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:54:48 -0800
>
> Igor Polk is writing this:
>
> I have posted recently to Tango-L but I have received this message:
>
> Your mail to 'Tango-L' with the subject
> Nino Bien
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> The reason it is being held:
> Post to moderated list
>
> Shortly speaking, I can not stand it. The list was perfectly well without
> any moderation. The moderator ( or "owner" ) has refused to publish my
> post "Our list is moderated !!!" which was notifying you about the
> situation and my inabilty to "comply with the rules"
>
> I belive in freedom, and no any moderator can tell people what to do and
> refuse communication. I am not able to post messages to Tango-L unless the
> moderator apologises.
>
> So, please if you do not mind, I will ask my questions with the direct
> e-mail. I am going to do it with people with whom I had meaningful
> conversation in the past and value your opinion. I hope you do not mind.
> If not - just tell me.
>
> This list as you can see is CC - i.e. public. Without any restrictions,
> and containes acive members of Tango-L. If there is anything like that
> already, I'd be happy to join.
>
> You can e-mail me back too, and even to the whole CC-list.
>
> ******
> So, my question is
> "Nino Bien", is it a place where mostly tourists go ?
> and question 2:
> Who invented "8-count basic" ?
>
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Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 06:55:03 -0800 (PST)
From: NANCY <ningle_2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Igor Polk is off the list and Nino Bien
Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com
When you and Igor joined the list, you agreed to
certain terms and rules. Some folks are real tired of
your little catfights and the too frequent postings. I
know several people who have unsubscribed because of
the juvenile behavior. The List Owner has the right
and the responsibility to impose any retrictions on
the List he wishes. If you don't like it, start your
own list with your own rules.
--- "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com> wrote:
> Forwarded from direct mail:
>
> *Subject:* Igor Polk is off the list and Nino Bien
> *From:* "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
> *To:* <ipolk@virtuar.com>
> *CC:* [snip]
> *Date:* Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:54:48 -0800
>
> Igor Polk is writing this:
>
> I have posted recently to Tango-L but I have
> received this message:
>
> Your mail to 'Tango-L' with the subject
> Nino Bien
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it
> for approval.
> The reason it is being held:
> Post to moderated list
>
> Shortly speaking, I can not stand it. The list was
> perfectly well without
> any moderation. The moderator ( or "owner" ) has
> refused to publish my
> post "Our list is moderated !!!" which was notifying
> you about the
> situation and my inabilty to "comply with the rules"
>
> I belive in freedom, and no any moderator can tell
> people what to do and
> refuse communication. I am not able to post messages
> to Tango-L unless the
> moderator apologises.
>
> So, please if you do not mind, I will ask my
> questions with the direct
> e-mail. I am going to do it with people with whom I
> had meaningful
> conversation in the past and value your opinion. I
> hope you do not mind.
> If not - just tell me.
>
> This list as you can see is CC - i.e. public.
> Without any restrictions,
> and containes acive members of Tango-L. If there is
> anything like that
> already, I'd be happy to join.
>
> You can e-mail me back too, and even to the whole
> CC-list.
>
> ******
> So, my question is
> "Nino Bien", is it a place where mostly tourists go
> ?
> and question 2:
> Who invented "8-count basic" ?
>
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Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:33:23 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Igor Polk is off the list and Nino Bien
I think Igor's action reflects more poorly on him than it
does the moderator. If Igor believed in the quality of his
post, then there should be no problem of it getting
through. If not, then perhaps he could learn something
from it. I've noticed in this age of instant
communication/gratification, patience has become more and
more of a virtue.
I do hope Igor returns since does pose interesting
questions at times.
Trini de Pittsburgh
> --- "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com> wrote:
>
> > Forwarded from direct mail:
> >
> > *Subject:* Igor Polk is off the list and Nino Bien
> > *From:* "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
> > *To:* <ipolk@virtuar.com>
> > *CC:* [snip]
> > *Date:* Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:54:48 -0800
> >
> > Igor Polk is writing this:
> >
> > I have posted recently to Tango-L but I have
> > received this message:
> >
> > Your mail to 'Tango-L' with the subject
> > Nino Bien
> > Is being held until the list moderator can review it
> > for approval.
> > The reason it is being held:
> > Post to moderated list
> >
> > Shortly speaking, I can not stand it. The list was
> > perfectly well without
> > any moderation. The moderator ( or "owner" ) has
> > refused to publish my
> > post "Our list is moderated !!!" which was notifying
> > you about the
> > situation and my inabilty to "comply with the rules"
> >
> > I belive in freedom, and no any moderator can tell
> > people what to do and
> > refuse communication. I am not able to post messages
> > to Tango-L unless the
> > moderator apologises.
> >
> > So, please if you do not mind, I will ask my
> > questions with the direct
> > e-mail. I am going to do it with people with whom I
> > had meaningful
> > conversation in the past and value your opinion. I
> > hope you do not mind.
> > If not - just tell me.
> >
> > This list as you can see is CC - i.e. public.
> > Without any restrictions,
> > and containes acive members of Tango-L. If there is
> > anything like that
> > already, I'd be happy to join.
> >
> > You can e-mail me back too, and even to the whole
> > CC-list.
> >
> > ******
> > So, my question is
> > "Nino Bien", is it a place where mostly tourists go
> > ?
> > and question 2:
> > Who invented "8-count basic" ?
> >
>
>
> <<Rito es la danza en tu vida
> y el tango que tu amas
> te quema en su llama>>
> de: Bailarina de tango
> por: Horacio Sanguinetti
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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:21 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Igor Polk is off the list and Nino Bien
Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com
> If Igor believed in the quality of his post, then there
> should be no problem of it getting through.
That's not the way the list works, Trini. It's the belief of the owner,
not the writer, that determines whether a moderated post gets through.
And more's the better for it.
--
Chris
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:22:40 +0000
From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Igor Polk is off the list
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>, <ipolk@virtuar.com>
I don't understand all the contention about this.
First off, as I read the email from the moderator to Igor, it was ONLY rejected because it was TOO LARGE - ie. > 5k - NOT because of any content. Was that not clear to everyone? I've had my own posts rejected for the same reason when I've forgotten to trim the previous emails when I used reply-to. It's true the moderator made some other comments about Igor's content, but I interpreted them to be SUGGESTIONS, and Igor's marginally pushing the guidelines was not at all a factor in having his post rejected.
Second, I think the list is a LOT more hospitable since Shahrukh started being active in the oversight role. My sincere thanks to him.
Third, Igor, mi amigo querido, why don't you trim the size and resubmit the post without other changes and see if it gets through.
J
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:55:52 +0900
From: "Astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Igor Polk is off the list
To: "Jay Rabe" <jayrabe@hotmail.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>,
<ipolk@virtuar.com>
yes, I agree. Now if people could remember that Sharukh said just a few days
ago that the 2 or so postings a day-rule is still there and should be
observed it would be even better...
sorry for no tango content
Second, I think the list is a LOT more hospitable since Shahrukh started
being active in the oversight role. My sincere thanks to him.
Third, Igor, mi amigo querido, why don't you trim the size and resubmit the
post without other changes and see if it gets through.
J
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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:02:42 -0500
From: "Jake Spatz (TangoDC.com)" <spatz@tangoDC.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Igor Polk is off the list
To: tango-L@mit.edu
Cc: Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Hi all,
Astrid wrote:
> Now if people could remember that Sharukh said [...] that the 2 or so postings a day-rule is still there
Ha!
(Anyone want to answer Igor's other question-- who invented the 8-count
basic? Or my question: why? I once heard it may have been Todaro, but I
don't recall that it was said with any confidence, and now I can't
recall who said it.)
Jake
DC
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:13:23 +0900
From: "Astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Igor Polk is off the list
To: "Jake Spatz \(TangoDC.com\)" <spatz@tangoDC.com>,
<tango-L@mit.edu>
Cc: Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com>
What ha, Jake?
actually, the rules on www.tango-l.com now say 4 postings a week, the 2 a
day thing is what I remember from the old set of rules...
>> Now if people could remember that Sharukh said [...] that the 2 or so
>> postings a day-rule is still there
> Ha!
>
