4049 It is not inflation - is abuse ( it was Inflation hits milongas in Buenos Aires)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:17:33 +0000
From: Alberto Gesualdi <clambat2001@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: It is not inflation - is abuse ( it was Inflation hits milongas in Buenos Aires)
Dear friends from tango list
We went with my spouse to wait for his son at Ezeiza airport. While waiting, we browse some CDs of tango at music store. Abusive prices. A CD from Color Tango that can be bought at Zivals for ARP 22, was marked ARP 60 .
Then we went to the cafeteria that is at the 1st floor of arrivals , A terminal .The international one, the other one , the B terminal, is mainly for local airline Aerolineas . Side note: explain me while if you arrive to an airport from the highway , you find B terminal first, and then A terminal.... upside down rules ..
The prices at the cafeteria were correct , two teas and a sparkling water , ARP 12 . And you can see the arrival passengers, better than from the ground floor .The only thing that lacks is a screen showing arrivals, but the waiter told us the owners of the cafeteria asked for one, to help people awaiting to know if the person they are waiting for is already arrived or not.
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Talking about prices at milongas..... We have been going to some places the last two months,. and yes, there is an increase on tickets at the milongas, it could be as cheap as nothing at The Glorieta at Barrancas de Belgrano ( there is a can where you can put whatever you want ) or it could be up to ARP 10 each one at Circulo Trovador . Some places charges a little less to ladies than gentlemen .
Tango shoes, as far as we ask at the entrance of milongas, are around ARP 150 / ARP 250 ( U$S 50 to 80 ). Of course, you can have your search , there are places like the one we bought our tango shoes last time, around u$s 30 to u$s 50 . It is a small factory , that opened their own store at Palermo.
Concerning meals, there have been an increase the last months due to certain aspects I mentioned before. There is an abuse , charging us based prices into an economy that does not earn us sallaries but argentine pesos sallaries.
Yesterday night we have our "neighbour " meal at a decent place , nearby Almagro neighbourhood where we live.
A small bottle of good red wine, a sparkling water , a first dish shared, since this place serves all their menu in such way, to be shared. A second dish also shared , pasta with spinach cream .
It was really to much, we could have had the first dish and would have been enough.
Anyway, the bill was ARP 42 ( u$s 14 ) . This is a place where people from the neighbourhood come to dine, so they do not abuse.
Now I am back to the mid meal at the office . Three persons , one sparkling water each one . A dish of something called thai rice ( which was as thai as Jody Foster at The King and I ) , a cup of tea .
ARP 42 , that is a bit expensive for this service . But is the only place nearby , so they abuse.
At Almagro, there is a fierce competition ,so prices are kept low . There is also the local fasion , the "deliveries" as it locally called, where you can order everything from pizza to salads, ice creams, aspirins , whatever that can be taken onto a bycicle or a motorbike . This deliveries , you can ask for a meal for 4 people at not more than ARP 30 , including some table wine of bottle of beer.
warm regards
alberto gesualdi
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:06:56 -0500
From: "Hector P. Pereyra User" <pablo@THEZVIMIGDAL.COM>
Subject: Re: It is not inflation - is abuse ( it was Inflation hits milongas in Buenos Aires)
I understand that in this list, the topic is about everything but tango. I
respect that and always keep my silence (why will I just send another stupid
email complaining)
Now I think it is different. It really sucks to see you guys dissecting my
country, it's culture and it's economy based on your own petty and greedy
needs. Don't take me wrong it is not that you need to be Argentinean to
address economical and social comments, but if you guys are going to get
there I believe the parameters should be a little different than how cheap
it is for you to spend time in Buenos Aires. What is a "good deal" for you,
the crisis that lead us to bankruptcy has to be paid with poverty by
millions. Those millions don't travel or even go to the milongas, actually
you guys don't even know those people, 'cause they don't live in Buenos
Aires.
There are internal problems our own corruption per instance, but you also
have to trace the roots of those things. When we discuss politics it should
be in the belief that we want to create better conditions for everybody, a
better distribution for wealth, not just that we want things to be
accessible for ourselves.
Now some of you feel abused 'cause they have to pay a different fee at the
milongas. Milongas in NY are fuckin' 12 bucks to get in. Why don't you cry
over that. Why don't you get upset 'because a lot of Argentineans can't
travel to visit your countries 'because of the inflation. You don't know
what it means to put together 700 hundred dollars in Argentina for somebody
that has a regular job, maybe the same job you guys have that still allows
you to travel to BA. (this is just the other way around and I don't see
nobody caring about it).
In terms of you guys feeling abused by the locals, maybe you should take in
consideration all the military coups during the seventies that where
financed with CIA money and sent all our countries 50 years back in terms of
economy and education.
Perhaps with a better economy and education we would be in a better
disposition.
To understand a culture and to get involved in it is not impossible. It just
takes more than a nice pair of tango shoes and some fancy steeps.
This can be applied to any country, not only mine. I live in the states and
I learned myself a lot about it's own idiosyncrasy before venturing any
political remark.
My idea that Bush is a mean mothefucker has nothing to do with my economical
reach (quite low!), but more with my compromise with these country (since I
live in it) and my concern for all the people that lives here. (count also
the people that lives somewhere else but is affected by the moves this
country makes. The list is long... we can start with Iraq.)
Start making sense.
Please
ps: forgive my poor English
Pablo "the pulpo" Pereyra
www.thezvimigdal.com
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:01:15 +0000
From: Russell Ranno <russellranno@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: It is not inflation
Thank you Pablo,
I think this all needed to be said. The entire thread demonstates zero
cultural awareness and an appalling lack of sensitivity. Cough up a couple
bucks to support the milonga, who cares what somebody else pays. If that is
going to break you you shouldn't be down there in the first place...
Russell
>From: "Hector P. Pereyra User" <pablo@THEZVIMIGDAL.COM>
>Reply-To: "Hector P. Pereyra User" <pablo@THEZVIMIGDAL.COM>
>To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] It is not inflation - is abuse ( it was Inflation
>hits milongas in Buenos Aires)
>Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:06:56 -0500
>
>I understand that in this list, the topic is about everything but tango. I
>respect that and always keep my silence (why will I just send another
>stupid
>email complaining)
>
>Now I think it is different. It really sucks to see you guys dissecting my
>country, it's culture and it's economy based on your own petty and greedy
>needs. Don't take me wrong it is not that you need to be Argentinean to
>address economical and social comments, but if you guys are going to get
>there I believe the parameters should be a little different than how cheap
>it is for you to spend time in Buenos Aires. What is a "good deal" for you,
>the crisis that lead us to bankruptcy has to be paid with poverty by
>millions. Those millions don't travel or even go to the milongas, actually
>you guys don't even know those people, 'cause they don't live in Buenos
>Aires.
>
>There are internal problems our own corruption per instance, but you also
>have to trace the roots of those things. When we discuss politics it should
>be in the belief that we want to create better conditions for everybody, a
>better distribution for wealth, not just that we want things to be
>accessible for ourselves.
>
>Now some of you feel abused 'cause they have to pay a different fee at the
>milongas. Milongas in NY are fuckin' 12 bucks to get in. Why don't you cry
>over that. Why don't you get upset 'because a lot of Argentineans can't
>travel to visit your countries 'because of the inflation. You don't know
>what it means to put together 700 hundred dollars in Argentina for somebody
>that has a regular job, maybe the same job you guys have that still allows
>you to travel to BA. (this is just the other way around and I don't see
>nobody caring about it).
>
>In terms of you guys feeling abused by the locals, maybe you should take in
>consideration all the military coups during the seventies that where
>financed with CIA money and sent all our countries 50 years back in terms
>of
>economy and education.
>
>Perhaps with a better economy and education we would be in a better
>disposition.
>
>To understand a culture and to get involved in it is not impossible. It
>just
>takes more than a nice pair of tango shoes and some fancy steeps.
>
>This can be applied to any country, not only mine. I live in the states and
>I learned myself a lot about it's own idiosyncrasy before venturing any
>political remark.
>
>My idea that Bush is a mean mothefucker has nothing to do with my
>economical
>reach (quite low!), but more with my compromise with these country (since I
>live in it) and my concern for all the people that lives here. (count also
>the people that lives somewhere else but is affected by the moves this
>country makes. The list is long... we can start with Iraq.)
>
>Start making sense.
>
>Please
>
>ps: forgive my poor English
>
>Pablo "the pulpo" Pereyra
>www.thezvimigdal.com
>
