5408 Keep away!
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:02:07 -0800
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Keep away!
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
This has nothing to do with dancing.
And it is better to make a clear distinction.
A dancer like to dance. Everything else is irrelevant.
Igor Polk.
1. they embrace you with tenderness
2. you can feel their heart beating
3. you can feel them breathing
4. they are warm
5. if you do something inventive or particularly musical you get a small
smile or sometimes a sigh
6. the smell of them when you are both working hard and you both start to
sweat
7. the way they hold you for a moment after a beautiful dance before they
release you and step away
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:26:26 -0500
From: "Michael" <tangomaniac@cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Keep away!
To: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
Cc: Michael <tangomaniac@cavtel.net>
Igor:
A few days ago you encouraged brainstorming where people don't interfere other people's postings. Now YOU'RE complaining. I guess you can complain about other postings but nobody can complain about yours!
Michael
I'd rather be dancing Argentine Tango
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:02 PM
Subject: [Tango-L] Keep away!
This has nothing to do with dancing.
And it is better to make a clear distinction.
A dancer like to dance. Everything else is irrelevant.
Igor Polk.
1. they embrace you with tenderness
2. you can feel their heart beating
3. you can feel them breathing
4. they are warm
5. if you do something inventive or particularly musical you get a small
smile or sometimes a sigh
6. the smell of them when you are both working hard and you both start to
sweat
7. the way they hold you for a moment after a beautiful dance before they
release you and step away
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:48:44 +0900
From: "Astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Keep away!
To: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
I read about the "splitter personality" in sex, I didn't know there are also
splitter-types on the dance floor...
You know, split things into "here are feelings" and "there is what we are
doing right now, which is...", well, something bad in case of sex, and in
case of dance, what would it be, Igor, without feelings? No tenderness, no
listening to your partner's heart beat or their breathing, no warmth, no
smile... are you into tango as an alternative to going to the gym, maybe?
Dance as some kind of sport? A woman as an alternative to a, ahem, dumbbell?
> This has nothing to do with dancing.
>
> And it is better to make a clear distinction.
>
> A dancer like to dance. Everything else is irrelevant.
>
> Igor Polk.
>
>
> 1. they embrace you with tenderness
> 2. you can feel their heart beating
> 3. you can feel them breathing
> 4. they are warm
> 5. if you do something inventive or particularly musical you get a small
> smile or sometimes a sigh
> 6. the smell of them when you are both working hard and you both start to
> sweat
> 7. the way they hold you for a moment after a beautiful dance before they
> release you and step away
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:05:50 -0500
From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Keep away!
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Oh dear, dear Igor. Now I feel truly sorry for you. If the items in Victor's list
have nothing to do with your dancing, I can only assume you're dancing Ballroom
Tango. They have everything to do with Tango. But yeah, I guess you won't feel
those things from a paint brush, broom, etc.
I'll be dancing tonight and hope to feel everything in Victor's list with every
single partner. And, yes, I'll even be dancing under the watchful eye of my wife.
Fortunately, she also understands what makes Tango so different from every other
dance. Yes, Tango is a dance - but it's a dance with feeling.
Keith, HK
On Fri Dec 28 12:02 , "Igor Polk" sent:
>This has nothing to do with dancing.
>
>And it is better to make a clear distinction.
>
>A dancer like to dance. Everything else is irrelevant.
>
>Igor Polk.
>
>
>1. they embrace you with tenderness
>2. you can feel their heart beating
>3. you can feel them breathing
>4. they are warm
>5. if you do something inventive or particularly musical you get a small
>smile or sometimes a sigh
>6. the smell of them when you are both working hard and you both start to
>sweat
>7. the way they hold you for a moment after a beautiful dance before they
>release you and step away
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:18:36 -0700
From: "David Hodgson" <DHodgson@TangoLabyrinth.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Keep away!
To: "'Igor Polk'" <ipolk@virtuar.com>, "Tango L list"
Hmm.. Interesting. Igor, I believe your getting nervous.
The reasons you write about are very real and illusion.
However there is a veil between you and your Follow.
Igor: For you, who is on the other side of the veil.
But primary and utmost. Never forget this is a nice, simple, fun, social
dance.
For me this next year, I've asked for a partner. Looking forward to some
very, very nice dances along the way with beautiful Follows. Ladies, I
expect nothing more than your presence, sharp elegance and refinement, to be
who each of you are, at that moment during the tanda and dance.
Now who want to expound on the virtues of Osvaldo Fresedo. His music is
great and rocks!!!!!!!!! One of my favorite songs "Siempre Es Carnaval"
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:02 PM
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Subject: [Tango-L] Keep away!
This has nothing to do with dancing.
And it is better to make a clear distinction.
A dancer like to dance. Everything else is irrelevant.
Igor Polk.
1. they embrace you with tenderness
2. you can feel their heart beating
3. you can feel them breathing
4. they are warm
5. if you do something inventive or particularly musical you get a small
smile or sometimes a sigh
6. the smell of them when you are both working hard and you both start to
sweat
7. the way they hold you for a moment after a beautiful dance before they
release you and step away
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Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:27:41 -0700
From: "David Hodgson" <DHodgson@TangoLabyrinth.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Keep away!
To: "'Igor Polk'" <ipolk@virtuar.com>, "Tango L list"
Damn.. made a mistake...
I should have said:
Ladies, I expect nothing LESS than your presence, sharp-pointed elegance and
refinement, to be who each of you are, at that moment during the tanda and
dance. The space and pause between my request is yours.
Igor: One thing;
"A dancer like to dance"??
Is this good grammar?
Off to dance..
David
PS: Spell check is my Fribend...
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:02 PM
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Subject: [Tango-L] Keep away!
This has nothing to do with dancing.
And it is better to make a clear distinction.
A dancer like to dance. Everything else is irrelevant.
Igor Polk.
1. they embrace you with tenderness
2. you can feel their heart beating
3. you can feel them breathing
4. they are warm
5. if you do something inventive or particularly musical you get a small
smile or sometimes a sigh
6. the smell of them when you are both working hard and you both start to
sweat
7. the way they hold you for a moment after a beautiful dance before they
release you and step away
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:10:25 +0200
From: Krasimir Stoyanov <krasimir@krasimir.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Keep away!
To: tango-l@mit.edu
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It is first a dance. This is the primary quality.
Then, after that, it is a social dance.
That was what Igor tried to say.
It is nice to hold a woman, feel her breathing and heart beating etc.,
but this is something secondary to a dance. You can feel the same
things without ever moving at all. So these things may be pleasure,
but this pleasure is derived from our mutual man-woman attraction, not
the dance. The dance may intensify matter, but still, any nice mutual
movement will do the same. So that is why it has nothing to do with
tango dancing.
Quoting David Hodgson <DHodgson@tangolabyrinth.com>:
> But primary and utmost. Never forget this is a nice, simple, fun, social
> dance.
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 04:17:53 -0500
From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Keep away!
To: tango-l@mit.edu
I'm sorry Krasimir and probably Igor, but I still can't agree. Tonight I
hope to dance with many women. I will embrace them, they will embrace me.
I will feel their hearts beating, I will share their breath, inhale their
smell, feel their warmth and, hopefully, we'll both be smiling at the end
of each dance.
You say ... "You can feel the same things without ever moving at all. So
these things may be pleasure, but this pleasure is derived from our mutual
man-woman attraction, not the dance".
This just isn't true. These women are not my girlfriends, maybe not even
friends and, if they're visitors, I won't even have met them before. And
yet, I will still feel all these things. You say ... "it's not the dance .."
But it is the dance. If there were no dance, there would be no embrace ...
and everything that follows. All these feelings are a direct result of the
the dance and the music and, to me, they're an intrinsic part of the dance.
As I've said before, it's these feelings that make Tango so different from
any other dance. Without them - it's just DanceSport.
Keith, HK
On Fri Dec 28 15:10 , Krasimir Stoyanov sent:
>It is first a dance. This is the primary quality.
>Then, after that, it is a social dance.
>That was what Igor tried to say.
>It is nice to hold a woman, feel her breathing and heart beating etc.,
>but this is something secondary to a dance. You can feel the same
>things without ever moving at all. So these things may be pleasure,
>but this pleasure is derived from our mutual man-woman attraction, not
>the dance. The dance may intensify matter, but still, any nice mutual
>movement will do the same. So that is why it has nothing to do with
>tango dancing.
>
>
>Quoting David Hodgson DHodgson@tangolabyrinth.com>:
>
>> But primary and utmost. Never forget this is a nice, simple, fun, social
>> dance.
>
>
>
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:52:41 -0700
From: dwyliu@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Keep away!
To: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
<30ad4e030712280952u31b6afe5w36cf9ff1df59b1bc@mail.gmail.com>
Igor,
That was interesting. I think I actually agree with you that it has ...
little to do with _dance_.
However, they have _a lot_ to do with _social_ dance. They also have a lot
to do with being human (although it is everyone's prerogative to decide how
much of themselves they want to share with a stranger).
Thus, I would argue, they are relevant.
Very Best,
David
This has nothing to do with dancing.
>
> And it is better to make a clear distinction.
>
> A dancer like to dance. Everything else is irrelevant.
>
> Igor Polk.
>
>
> 1. they embrace you with tenderness
> 2. you can feel their heart beating
> 3. you can feel them breathing
> 4. they are warm
> 5. if you do something inventive or particularly musical you get a small
> smile or sometimes a sigh
> 6. the smell of them when you are both working hard and you both start to
> sweat
> 7. the way they hold you for a moment after a beautiful dance before they
> release you and step away
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:23:36 -0800
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Keep away!
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
I do not like when "feelings" are a substitute for the quality of dance.
Neiher when tango is a substitute of lap dancing.
There are things happening in dancing as well as in other activities, but
they are better kept private.
Igor Polk.
PS
Thanks for the supporting - that is exactly what I meant, you put it in
better words, Krasimir!
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:29:22 -0500 (EST)
From: "Keith Elshaw" <keith@totango.net>
Subject: [Tango-L] Keep away
To: tango-l@mit.edu
<60139.65.93.192.244.1198898962.squirrel@webmail6.pair.com>
Igor wrote:
>I do not like when "feelings" are a substitute for the quality of dance.
Now, ladies - I know you are dying to have a dance with someone with this
attitude, but - please - take a number. And be patient. A man who doesn't
respond to feelings is SO popular. You understand.
Igor: this is how you want to be perceived? Don't you think before you
press send?
Sorry. On your side.
But, people on high horses have a way to fall, don't we?
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:08:00 -0800
From: ELEMER DUBROVAY <elemer_7@msn.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] FW: Keep away!
To: Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu>
I agree with you.
In a Portland tango festival, at the end of a class we had to dance and somehow I ended dancing with other man.
He was a fantastic dancer he could follow me much better than the followers I was used to dance with.
And for some reason I did not enjoy this perfect dance. Elemer in Redmond
> From: keith@tangohk.com> To: tango-l@mit.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:05:50 -0500> Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Keep away!> > Oh dear, dear Igor. Now I feel truly sorry for you. If the items in Victor's list > have nothing to do with your dancing, I can only assume you're dancing Ballroom > Tango. They have everything to do with Tango. But yeah, I guess you won't feel > those things from a paint brush, broom, etc.> > I'll be dancing tonight and hope to feel everything in Victor's list with every > single partner. And, yes, I'll even be dancing under the watchful eye of my wife. > Fortunately, she also understands what makes Tango so different from every other > dance. Yes, Tango is a dance - but it's a dance with feeling. > > Keith, HK> > On Fri Dec 28 12:02 , "Igor Polk" sent:> > >This has nothing to do with dancing.> >> >And it is better to make a clear distinction.> >> >A dancer like to dance. Everything else is irrelevant.> >> >Igor Polk.> >> >> >1. they embrace you with t!
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:56:49 +0100
From: Alexis Cousein <al@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Keep away
To: Keith Elshaw <keith@totango.net>
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
Keith Elshaw wrote:
> Igor wrote:
>
>> I do not like when "feelings" are a substitute for the quality of dance.
>
>
> Now, ladies - I know you are dying to have a dance with someone with this
> attitude,
Actually, his statement is factually correct. Feelings are not a substitute
for the quality of the dance. Feelings are an orthogonal dimension, and
the quality of the dance is the foundation on which they grow.
