5727  Limitation vs Challenge (was "Nuevo" Dancing to Di

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:22:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Limitation vs Challenge (was "Nuevo" Dancing to Di
Sarli)
To: bettina maria fahlbusch <bettinamaria7@gmail.com>, Tango-L

--- On Sat, 8/15/09, bettina maria fahlbusch <bettinamaria7@gmail.com> wrote:

> To have that analyzed and categorized in such a way, as a
> dedicated
> student for over 10 years of Tango, such a comment as "it
> does not
> quite look right" feels offensive.
>

Glad to see that you've chosen to stay in the conversation. Limitations, like beauty, are in the eye of the beholder. Diego DiFalco said that when he went to milongas, he would dance toward the most crowded part of the room to challenge himself. To be creative, to really dance.

Think about how creative movie makers were about handling scenes of death or sex when movie codes were more restrictive than they are now. They played with lighting, with music, with camera angles, with the audience. It produced classic scenes that are still hailed today as great examples of movie making.

One can choose to see a limit (or a categorization) as either a boundary or a challenge. My experience is that people who say that tango needs to grow only think of tango's evolution as being in one direction. Those are the dancers who are limited. Tango grows in multiple directions.

Ask any salon dancer who has chosen not go the nuevo route, whether they feel limited. Ask a milonguero. I bet their answer will be a resounding "No". And they'll talk about how infinite their possibilities are.

But can someone run into a crowded movie theater and yell "Fire" as part of their personal expression? Of course, not.

Tango works as a community endeavor, not solely as an individual one. And I think an important element in these conversations over the past few weeks has been looking at how we can encourage personal expression within a given social framework that people don't want to see changed. Given the history of Tango-L, I think it's pretty cool that we can have an intelligent conversation without name calling or insults.


Trini de Pittsburgh

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:00:28 EDT
From: HBBOOGIE1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Limitation vs Challenge (was "Nuevo" Dancing to
Di Sarli)
To: tango-l@mit.edu

?Tango works as a community endeavor, not solely as an individual one. And
I think an important element in these conversations over the past few
weeks has been looking at how we can encourage personal expression within a
given social framework that people don't want to see changed. Given the
history of Tango-L, I think it's pretty cool that we can have an intelligent
conversation without name-calling or insults.?
Trini de Pittsburgh



?Tango works as a community endeavor not solely as an individual one?

To me this is the challenge for the ?Nuevo Dancers? to work on a way to
compact the moves eliminate the endless kicking and twirling and respect the
floor?no wait a minute?that would take the ?nuevo? out of what they do
and transform them into respectful tango dancers. There must be another
solution?
In ballroom there is American and International style. American follows
the line of dance and International moves diagonally back and forth across
the line of dance. The two cannot co-exist so the solution is separate dances
and it works. Perhaps this is what the organizers should do for Nuevo it
could work. On the flip side Nuevo would be banned from traditional
milongas.
Just a thought.
David









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