5464  Men who pull to the left

Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 04:15:26 -1200
From: "Michael" <tangomaniac@cavtel.net>
Subject: [Tango-L] Men who pull to the left
To: "Astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>, "Mario" <sopelote@yahoo.com>,
<tango-l@mit.edu>
Cc: tangomaniac@cavtel.net

Astrid wrote about men who pull to the left causing pain to
the woman.

My teacher taught me the hook step. When I take the woman to
the cross, after stepping side left, as the woman steps
backward on her left, my right foot has to go around her
right foot or I'll crash into her. HMM! Let me try again. As
I step outside her I want to stay close to her. My right
foot has to hook around her right foot, at the same time my
chest has to rotate to the right to remain facing her, even
though I'm still outside her. The next step is another hook
step where my left foot has to brush my right foot before
going forward. Men who don't use the hook step will walk to
their left because they see the woman is in their way. As
they walk to their left, they pull the woman to her right.

It gets worse on the next step. If I don't brush, my left
foot will go straight ahead, where the woman isn't, causing
the woman to twist her back even more.

Unfortunately, this is easier to show than to tell.

Michael Ditkoff
Washington, DC
If I can wake up early enough tomorrow, I'll get to NY in
time to see Zotto's tango show.



I'd rather be dancing Argentine Tango

Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:45:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Mario <sopelote@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Men who pull to the left
To: tango-l@mit.edu

Here is a short video of walking inside/outside. Is it taught correctly?
How much further to the left would produce discomfort in the woman?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?vËFFLgUpXn0

Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:10 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
From: "Chris, UK" <tl2@chrisjj.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Men who pull to the left
Cc: tl2@chrisjj.com

> Here is a short video of walking inside/outside. Is it taught correctly?

That can't be answered from examining the teaching. One has to examine the
learning... which is not shown in this video.

--
Chris

Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:50:16 -0500
From: "Michael" <tangomaniac@cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Men who pull to the left
To: "Mario" <sopelote@yahoo.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>
Cc: Michael <tangomaniac@cavtel.net>

There are salient points missing from his explanation. Notice that the leader's feet are pointed outward. As he steps forward with his right, there is a path for him to step because the left foot is pointed outward to the left. After he passes the left foot he hooks his right foot back towards the woman. He doesn't keep walking to his left. His right foot is making a "S" which my teacher calls the hook step. You hook outward and then inward. He describes that on the third step, many men continue to step away from the woman instead of bringing the foot together with the right.

I promise this is the last message for today. I probably hit my quota.

It's an excellent video but I feel significant points are missing. Of course, he could have said them when the camera wasn't rolling.

Michael
I'd rather be dancing Argentine Tango
Time to go to sleep.

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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:45 PM
Subject: [Tango-L] Men who pull to the left


Here is a short video of walking inside/outside. Is it taught correctly?
How much further to the left would produce discomfort in the woman?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?vËFFLgUpXn0

Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:22:24 +0900
From: "Astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Men who pull to the left
To: "Mario" <sopelote@yahoo.com>, <tango-l@mit.edu>

> Here is a short video of walking inside/outside. Is it taught correctly?
> How much further to the left would produce discomfort in the woman?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?vËFFLgUpXn0

I don't know what to say as the teacher is using the practice hold and we
are talking about the right embrace. However I am stating to see where the
men's mistake comes from. So you mean, some guys are so stiff, they cannot
even think of putting a little tortion into their bodies to step outside the
women while remaining in the embrace while making her twist twice as much
just for his comfort? Or is it pure ignorance?

How much further left, Mario? You are not supposed to go off to the left at
all, the shoulders should remain in alignment as much as possible.
Definitely not more than one or two inches off, IMO. Instead, you should
work on the flexibility of your waist.

>

Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:13:03 -0500
From: Keith <keith@tangohk.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Men who pull to the left

Mario,

Chris can't answer the question, but I can. The teaching of Oscar Casas is excellent.
Clear and precise.

Keith, HK

On Sat Jan 19 4:10 , "Chris, UK" sent:

>> Here is a short video of walking inside/outside. Is it taught correctly?
>
>That can't be answered from examining the teaching. One has to examine the
>learning... which is not shown in this video.
>
>--
>Chris