4640 Milonguero is one style of close embrace
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:40:12 -0800
From: "El Mundo del Tango" <mail@elmundodeltango.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: "AJ Azure" <azure.music@verizon.net>, <TANGO-L@MIT.EDU>
Nonsense. "Valid" may be to dance.
But to call it "milonguero style" implies that that is what milongueros
dance and that is a big fat lie, in Buenos Aires and everywhere else, now
and fifty years ago. Milongueros dance all differently and they are all
milongueros because milonguero is a social dancer. Shoin.Basta.Se acab?.
These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are perpetuated by
limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to point to
themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing everything else.
Gabriel
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace styles.
>
> I'm not a dancer but, as a musician I can tell you that when something
> gets
> pulled out of its' country or circle of origin it gets labeled and
> categorized where it would not be in its' home environment. Sometimes it's
> great because it helps to understand it. Other times it's over
> complicating
> it and over categorizing.
>
> _Adriel
>
>> From: Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com>
>> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:45:05 -0800
>> To: <TANGO-L@mit.edu>
>> Subject: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace styles.
>>
>> I agree Nina with you that there is no Milonguero style per se as common
>> knowledge of tango in Buenos Aires, however people in US who dance
>> Milonguero style dance in a certain way and they call it Milonguero style
>> and that is absolutely valid no matter how you call it.
>>
>> There are several close embrace styles no matter what people in BA say
>> about
>> it. And Milonguero ( just a name, not an Argentinean name, but never the
>> less it is a name ) exists and it is one of the close embrace style. Only
>> one of them.
>>
>> Do you want to say that there are no dancing styles?
>> Hm... At least every real great dancer has his own.
>>
>> Igor Polk.
>>
>
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:56:03 +0900
From: "astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: <TANGO-L@MIT.EDU>
These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are perpetuated by
limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to point to
themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing everything else.
Gabriel
A list-friend and I used to have this collection of tango videos we would
forward to each other, under the title "Videos zum Meckern".
I just watched Gabriel's. ; )
https://www.elmundodeltango.com/movies/10anniversary/10anniversary.html
Astrid
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:08:35 -0400
From: "Jacob Eggers" <eggers@brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: TANGO-L@mit.edu
<dfa4cf020610302108v313a1a34q95478ab76ef0391c@mail.gmail.com>
It's helpful to know that they don't use the term milonguero in BA like it's
used in the US. So, what is the terminology used to elucidate the difference
between Ricardo Vidort and Julio Balamaceda? (see their videos on
tangovideoproject)
j
On 10/30/06, astrid <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp> wrote:
>
> These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are perpetuated by
> limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
> who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to point to
> themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing everything
> else.
>
> Gabriel
> A list-friend and I used to have this collection of tango videos we would
> forward to each other, under the title "Videos zum Meckern".
> I just watched Gabriel's. ; )
>
> https://www.elmundodeltango.com/movies/10anniversary/10anniversary.html
>
> Astrid
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:28:47 -0700
From: Nina Pesochinsky <nina@earthnet.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: TANGO-L@MIT.EDU
Ricardo Vidort was an awesome social dancer. He danced with finesse
and sensitivity rarely seen anymore on a social dance floor.
What you see Julio Balmaceda and Corina de al Rosa dance in a video
is their creative work in their own technique that has been developed
over the last 10 years. It is dynamic and it is about creative
movement that is unique to their own style. They are speaking to the
people who are watching. If you see them dance at a milonga
socially, with each other or with other people, you will see
completely different dancing. You will never see either one of them
dance on a social dance floor as they dance in a performance.
What professional dancers have that social dancers tend not to have
is versatility. Professional dancers are technically skilled to
dance in whatever style is called for, depending on the music, the
partner and the moment. Professional dancers are dancers who are
constantly refining and developing their technique and
artistry. Most of the best professional dancers in tango came from
being fabulous social dancers and they took the development of their
dance much further than social dance requires.
In order to give honor to the dancing of both Ricardo Vidort and
Julio Balmaceda, it is important to make this distinction.
Best regards to everyone,
Nina
At 10:08 PM 10/30/2006, you wrote:
>It's helpful to know that they don't use the term milonguero in BA like it's
>used in the US. So, what is the terminology used to elucidate the difference
>between Ricardo Vidort and Julio Balamaceda? (see their videos on
>tangovideoproject)
>
>j
>
>On 10/30/06, astrid <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp> wrote:
> >
> > These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are perpetuated by
> > limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
> > who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to point to
> > themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing everything
> > else.
> >
> > Gabriel
> > A list-friend and I used to have this collection of tango videos we would
> > forward to each other, under the title "Videos zum Meckern".
> > I just watched Gabriel's. ; )
> >
> > https://www.elmundodeltango.com/movies/10anniversary/10anniversary.html
> >
> > Astrid
> >
> >
> >
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:23:45 -0500
From: "tangosmith@cox.net" <tangosmith@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: nina@earthnet.net, tango-l@mit.edu
Nina,
Your comments on the difference between social and professional dance were
refreshing. They apply not only to tango, but to all other forms that are
danced both socially and professionally, such as ballroom. They are danced
for different purposes and therefore it is altogether appropriate that they
be danced differently in style. This doesn?t mean that one style is
intrinsically any better or worse than the other.
There are some who prefer to define tango very narrowly. And for them,
their vision of their personal tango may in fact be narrow in style. But
the world in general defines tango broadly (disregarding definitions used
in competitions, which vary themselves). We need to be able to view each
dancer?s style within the context and purpose of the dance as well as the
artistic choice of the dancer and not according to a limited and often very
personal definition.
Because we may personally love to dance our own intimate social tango
doesn?t have to impinge on our ability to enjoy and appreciate performance
tango or any other style beyond or in between.
WBSmith
-----------------
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:28:47 -0700
To: TANGO-L@MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace styles.
Ricardo Vidort was an awesome social dancer. He danced with finesse
and sensitivity rarely seen anymore on a social dance floor.
What you see Julio Balmaceda and Corina de al Rosa dance in a video
is their creative work in their own technique that has been developed
over the last 10 years. It is dynamic and it is about creative
movement that is unique to their own style. They are speaking to the
people who are watching. If you see them dance at a milonga
socially, with each other or with other people, you will see
completely different dancing. You will never see either one of them
dance on a social dance floor as they dance in a performance.
What professional dancers have that social dancers tend not to have
is versatility. Professional dancers are technically skilled to
dance in whatever style is called for, depending on the music, the
partner and the moment. Professional dancers are dancers who are
constantly refining and developing their technique and
artistry. Most of the best professional dancers in tango came from
being fabulous social dancers and they took the development of their
dance much further than social dance requires.
In order to give honor to the dancing of both Ricardo Vidort and
Julio Balmaceda, it is important to make this distinction.
Best regards to everyone,
Nina
At 10:08 PM 10/30/2006, you wrote:
>It's helpful to know that they don't use the term milonguero in BA like
it's
>used in the US. So, what is the terminology used to elucidate the
difference
>between Ricardo Vidort and Julio Balamaceda? (see their videos on
>tangovideoproject)
>
>j
>
>On 10/30/06, astrid <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp> wrote:
> >
> > These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are perpetuated
by
> > limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
> > who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to point to
> > themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing everything
> > else.
> >
> > Gabriel
> > A list-friend and I used to have this collection of tango videos we
would
> > forward to each other, under the title "Videos zum Meckern".
> > I just watched Gabriel's. ; )
> >
> > https://www.elmundodeltango.com/movies/10anniversary/10anniversary.html
> >
> > Astrid
> >
> >
> >
mail2web - Check your email from the web at
https://mail2web.com/ .
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:28:54 -0500
From: "Jake Spatz (TangoDC.com)" <spatz@tangoDC.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: tango-L@mit.edu
The terminology, I believe, would be "Vidort" and "Balmaceda."
Jake Spatz
DC
Jacob Eggers wrote:
> It's helpful to know that they don't use the term milonguero in BA like it's
> used in the US. So, what is the terminology used to elucidate the difference
> between Ricardo Vidort and Julio Balamaceda? (see their videos on
> tangovideoproject)
>
> j
>
> On 10/30/06, astrid <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp> wrote:
>
>> These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are perpetuated by
>> limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
>> who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to point to
>> themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing everything
>> else.
>>
>> Gabriel
>> A list-friend and I used to have this collection of tango videos we would
>> forward to each other, under the title "Videos zum Meckern".
>> I just watched Gabriel's. ; )
>>
>> https://www.elmundodeltango.com/movies/10anniversary/10anniversary.html
>>
>> Astrid
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:40:12 -0800
From: "El Mundo del Tango" <mail@elmundodeltango.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: "AJ Azure" <azure.music@verizon.net>, <TANGO-L@MIT.EDU>
Nonsense. "Valid" may be to dance.
But to call it "milonguero style" implies that that is what milongueros
dance and that is a big fat lie, in Buenos Aires and everywhere else,
now
and fifty years ago. Milongueros dance all differently and they are all
milongueros because milonguero is a social dancer. Shoin.Basta.Se acab?.
These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are
perpetuated by
limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to point to
themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing
everything else.
Gabriel
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace styles.
>
> I'm not a dancer but, as a musician I can tell you that when something
> gets
> pulled out of its' country or circle of origin it gets labeled and
> categorized where it would not be in its' home environment.
> Sometimes it's
> great because it helps to understand it. Other times it's over
> complicating
> it and over categorizing.
>
> _Adriel
>
>> From: Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com>
>> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:45:05 -0800
>> To: <TANGO-L@mit.edu>
>> Subject: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace styles.
>>
>> I agree Nina with you that there is no Milonguero style per se as
>> common
>> knowledge of tango in Buenos Aires, however people in US who dance
>> Milonguero style dance in a certain way and they call it
>> Milonguero style
>> and that is absolutely valid no matter how you call it.
>>
>> There are several close embrace styles no matter what people in BA
>> say
>> about
>> it. And Milonguero ( just a name, not an Argentinean name, but
>> never the
>> less it is a name ) exists and it is one of the close embrace
>> style. Only
>> one of them.
>>
>> Do you want to say that there are no dancing styles?
>> Hm... At least every real great dancer has his own.
>>
>> Igor Polk.
>>
>
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:56:03 +0900
From: "astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: <TANGO-L@MIT.EDU>
These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are
perpetuated by
limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to point to
themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing
everything else.
Gabriel
A list-friend and I used to have this collection of tango videos we
would
forward to each other, under the title "Videos zum Meckern".
I just watched Gabriel's. ; )
https://www.elmundodeltango.com/movies/10anniversary/10anniversary.html
Astrid
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:08:35 -0400
From: "Jacob Eggers" <eggers@brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: TANGO-L@mit.edu
<dfa4cf020610302108v313a1a34q95478ab76ef0391c@mail.gmail.com>
It's helpful to know that they don't use the term milonguero in BA
like it's
used in the US. So, what is the terminology used to elucidate the
difference
between Ricardo Vidort and Julio Balamaceda? (see their videos on
tangovideoproject)
j
On 10/30/06, astrid <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp> wrote:
>
> These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are
> perpetuated by
> limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
> who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to
> point to
> themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing everything
> else.
>
> Gabriel
> A list-friend and I used to have this collection of tango videos we
> would
> forward to each other, under the title "Videos zum Meckern".
> I just watched Gabriel's. ; )
>
> https://www.elmundodeltango.com/movies/10anniversary/10anniversary.html
>
> Astrid
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:28:47 -0700
From: Nina Pesochinsky <nina@earthnet.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: TANGO-L@MIT.EDU
Ricardo Vidort was an awesome social dancer. He danced with finesse
and sensitivity rarely seen anymore on a social dance floor.
What you see Julio Balmaceda and Corina de al Rosa dance in a video
is their creative work in their own technique that has been developed
over the last 10 years. It is dynamic and it is about creative
movement that is unique to their own style. They are speaking to the
people who are watching. If you see them dance at a milonga
socially, with each other or with other people, you will see
completely different dancing. You will never see either one of them
dance on a social dance floor as they dance in a performance.
What professional dancers have that social dancers tend not to have
is versatility. Professional dancers are technically skilled to
dance in whatever style is called for, depending on the music, the
partner and the moment. Professional dancers are dancers who are
constantly refining and developing their technique and
artistry. Most of the best professional dancers in tango came from
being fabulous social dancers and they took the development of their
dance much further than social dance requires.
In order to give honor to the dancing of both Ricardo Vidort and
Julio Balmaceda, it is important to make this distinction.
Best regards to everyone,
Nina
At 10:08 PM 10/30/2006, you wrote:
> It's helpful to know that they don't use the term milonguero in BA
> like it's
> used in the US. So, what is the terminology used to elucidate the
> difference
> between Ricardo Vidort and Julio Balamaceda? (see their videos on
> tangovideoproject)
>
> j
>
> On 10/30/06, astrid <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp> wrote:
>>
>> These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are
>> perpetuated by
>> limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
>> who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to
>> point to
>> themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing
>> everything
>> else.
>>
>> Gabriel
>> A list-friend and I used to have this collection of tango videos
>> we would
>> forward to each other, under the title "Videos zum Meckern".
>> I just watched Gabriel's. ; )
>>
>> https://www.elmundodeltango.com/movies/10anniversary/
>> 10anniversary.html
>>
>> Astrid
>>
>>
>>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:23:45 -0500
From: "tangosmith@cox.net" <tangosmith@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: nina@earthnet.net, tango-l@mit.edu
Nina,
Your comments on the difference between social and professional dance
were
refreshing. They apply not only to tango, but to all other forms
that are
danced both socially and professionally, such as ballroom. They are
danced
for different purposes and therefore it is altogether appropriate
that they
be danced differently in style. This doesn?t mean that one style is
intrinsically any better or worse than the other.
There are some who prefer to define tango very narrowly. And for them,
their vision of their personal tango may in fact be narrow in style.
But
the world in general defines tango broadly (disregarding definitions
used
in competitions, which vary themselves). We need to be able to view
each
dancer?s style within the context and purpose of the dance as well as
the
artistic choice of the dancer and not according to a limited and
often very
personal definition.
Because we may personally love to dance our own intimate social tango
doesn?t have to impinge on our ability to enjoy and appreciate
performance
tango or any other style beyond or in between.
WBSmith
-----------------
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:28:47 -0700
To: TANGO-L@MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace styles.
Ricardo Vidort was an awesome social dancer. He danced with finesse
and sensitivity rarely seen anymore on a social dance floor.
What you see Julio Balmaceda and Corina de al Rosa dance in a video
is their creative work in their own technique that has been developed
over the last 10 years. It is dynamic and it is about creative
movement that is unique to their own style. They are speaking to the
people who are watching. If you see them dance at a milonga
socially, with each other or with other people, you will see
completely different dancing. You will never see either one of them
dance on a social dance floor as they dance in a performance.
What professional dancers have that social dancers tend not to have
is versatility. Professional dancers are technically skilled to
dance in whatever style is called for, depending on the music, the
partner and the moment. Professional dancers are dancers who are
constantly refining and developing their technique and
artistry. Most of the best professional dancers in tango came from
being fabulous social dancers and they took the development of their
dance much further than social dance requires.
In order to give honor to the dancing of both Ricardo Vidort and
Julio Balmaceda, it is important to make this distinction.
Best regards to everyone,
Nina
At 10:08 PM 10/30/2006, you wrote:
> It's helpful to know that they don't use the term milonguero in BA
> like
it's
> used in the US. So, what is the terminology used to elucidate the
difference
> between Ricardo Vidort and Julio Balamaceda? (see their videos on
> tangovideoproject)
>
> j
>
> On 10/30/06, astrid <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp> wrote:
>>
>> These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are
>> perpetuated
by
>> limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
>> who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to
>> point to
>> themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing
>> everything
>> else.
>>
>> Gabriel
>> A list-friend and I used to have this collection of tango videos we
would
>> forward to each other, under the title "Videos zum Meckern".
>> I just watched Gabriel's. ; )
>>
>> https://www.elmundodeltango.com/movies/10anniversary/
>> 10anniversary.html
>>
>> Astrid
>>
>>
>>
mail2web - Check your email from the web at
https://mail2web.com/ .
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:40:12 -0800
From: "El Mundo del Tango" <mail@elmundodeltango.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: "AJ Azure" <azure.music@verizon.net>, <TANGO-L@MIT.EDU>
Nonsense. "Valid" may be to dance.
But to call it "milonguero style" implies that that is what milongueros
dance and that is a big fat lie, in Buenos Aires and everywhere else,
now
and fifty years ago. Milongueros dance all differently and they are all
milongueros because milonguero is a social dancer. Shoin.Basta.Se acab?.
These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are
perpetuated by
limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to point to
themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing
everything else.
Gabriel
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace styles.
>
> I'm not a dancer but, as a musician I can tell you that when something
> gets
> pulled out of its' country or circle of origin it gets labeled and
> categorized where it would not be in its' home environment.
> Sometimes it's
> great because it helps to understand it. Other times it's over
> complicating
> it and over categorizing.
>
> _Adriel
>
>> From: Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com>
>> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:45:05 -0800
>> To: <TANGO-L@mit.edu>
>> Subject: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace styles.
>>
>> I agree Nina with you that there is no Milonguero style per se as
>> common
>> knowledge of tango in Buenos Aires, however people in US who dance
>> Milonguero style dance in a certain way and they call it
>> Milonguero style
>> and that is absolutely valid no matter how you call it.
>>
>> There are several close embrace styles no matter what people in BA
>> say
>> about
>> it. And Milonguero ( just a name, not an Argentinean name, but
>> never the
>> less it is a name ) exists and it is one of the close embrace
>> style. Only
>> one of them.
>>
>> Do you want to say that there are no dancing styles?
>> Hm... At least every real great dancer has his own.
>>
>> Igor Polk.
>>
>
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:56:03 +0900
From: "astrid" <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: <TANGO-L@MIT.EDU>
These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are
perpetuated by
limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to point to
themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing
everything else.
Gabriel
A list-friend and I used to have this collection of tango videos we
would
forward to each other, under the title "Videos zum Meckern".
I just watched Gabriel's. ; )
https://www.elmundodeltango.com/movies/10anniversary/10anniversary.html
Astrid
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:08:35 -0400
From: "Jacob Eggers" <eggers@brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: TANGO-L@mit.edu
<dfa4cf020610302108v313a1a34q95478ab76ef0391c@mail.gmail.com>
It's helpful to know that they don't use the term milonguero in BA
like it's
used in the US. So, what is the terminology used to elucidate the
difference
between Ricardo Vidort and Julio Balamaceda? (see their videos on
tangovideoproject)
j
On 10/30/06, astrid <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp> wrote:
>
> These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are
> perpetuated by
> limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
> who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to
> point to
> themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing everything
> else.
>
> Gabriel
> A list-friend and I used to have this collection of tango videos we
> would
> forward to each other, under the title "Videos zum Meckern".
> I just watched Gabriel's. ; )
>
> https://www.elmundodeltango.com/movies/10anniversary/10anniversary.html
>
> Astrid
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:28:47 -0700
From: Nina Pesochinsky <nina@earthnet.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: TANGO-L@MIT.EDU
Ricardo Vidort was an awesome social dancer. He danced with finesse
and sensitivity rarely seen anymore on a social dance floor.
What you see Julio Balmaceda and Corina de al Rosa dance in a video
is their creative work in their own technique that has been developed
over the last 10 years. It is dynamic and it is about creative
movement that is unique to their own style. They are speaking to the
people who are watching. If you see them dance at a milonga
socially, with each other or with other people, you will see
completely different dancing. You will never see either one of them
dance on a social dance floor as they dance in a performance.
What professional dancers have that social dancers tend not to have
is versatility. Professional dancers are technically skilled to
dance in whatever style is called for, depending on the music, the
partner and the moment. Professional dancers are dancers who are
constantly refining and developing their technique and
artistry. Most of the best professional dancers in tango came from
being fabulous social dancers and they took the development of their
dance much further than social dance requires.
In order to give honor to the dancing of both Ricardo Vidort and
Julio Balmaceda, it is important to make this distinction.
Best regards to everyone,
Nina
At 10:08 PM 10/30/2006, you wrote:
> It's helpful to know that they don't use the term milonguero in BA
> like it's
> used in the US. So, what is the terminology used to elucidate the
> difference
> between Ricardo Vidort and Julio Balamaceda? (see their videos on
> tangovideoproject)
>
> j
>
> On 10/30/06, astrid <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp> wrote:
>>
>> These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are
>> perpetuated by
>> limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
>> who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to
>> point to
>> themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing
>> everything
>> else.
>>
>> Gabriel
>> A list-friend and I used to have this collection of tango videos
>> we would
>> forward to each other, under the title "Videos zum Meckern".
>> I just watched Gabriel's. ; )
>>
>> https://www.elmundodeltango.com/movies/10anniversary/
>> 10anniversary.html
>>
>> Astrid
>>
>>
>>
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:23:45 -0500
From: "tangosmith@cox.net" <tangosmith@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: nina@earthnet.net, tango-l@mit.edu
Nina,
Your comments on the difference between social and professional dance
were
refreshing. They apply not only to tango, but to all other forms
that are
danced both socially and professionally, such as ballroom. They are
danced
for different purposes and therefore it is altogether appropriate
that they
be danced differently in style. This doesn?t mean that one style is
intrinsically any better or worse than the other.
There are some who prefer to define tango very narrowly. And for them,
their vision of their personal tango may in fact be narrow in style.
But
the world in general defines tango broadly (disregarding definitions
used
in competitions, which vary themselves). We need to be able to view
each
dancer?s style within the context and purpose of the dance as well as
the
artistic choice of the dancer and not according to a limited and
often very
personal definition.
Because we may personally love to dance our own intimate social tango
doesn?t have to impinge on our ability to enjoy and appreciate
performance
tango or any other style beyond or in between.
WBSmith
-----------------
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:28:47 -0700
To: TANGO-L@MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace styles.
Ricardo Vidort was an awesome social dancer. He danced with finesse
and sensitivity rarely seen anymore on a social dance floor.
What you see Julio Balmaceda and Corina de al Rosa dance in a video
is their creative work in their own technique that has been developed
over the last 10 years. It is dynamic and it is about creative
movement that is unique to their own style. They are speaking to the
people who are watching. If you see them dance at a milonga
socially, with each other or with other people, you will see
completely different dancing. You will never see either one of them
dance on a social dance floor as they dance in a performance.
What professional dancers have that social dancers tend not to have
is versatility. Professional dancers are technically skilled to
dance in whatever style is called for, depending on the music, the
partner and the moment. Professional dancers are dancers who are
constantly refining and developing their technique and
artistry. Most of the best professional dancers in tango came from
being fabulous social dancers and they took the development of their
dance much further than social dance requires.
In order to give honor to the dancing of both Ricardo Vidort and
Julio Balmaceda, it is important to make this distinction.
Best regards to everyone,
Nina
At 10:08 PM 10/30/2006, you wrote:
> It's helpful to know that they don't use the term milonguero in BA
> like
it's
> used in the US. So, what is the terminology used to elucidate the
difference
> between Ricardo Vidort and Julio Balamaceda? (see their videos on
> tangovideoproject)
>
> j
>
> On 10/30/06, astrid <astrid@ruby.plala.or.jp> wrote:
>>
>> These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths are
>> perpetuated
by
>> limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
>> who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity and to
>> point to
>> themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while dismissing
>> everything
>> else.
>>
>> Gabriel
>> A list-friend and I used to have this collection of tango videos we
would
>> forward to each other, under the title "Videos zum Meckern".
>> I just watched Gabriel's. ; )
>>
>> https://www.elmundodeltango.com/movies/10anniversary/
>> 10anniversary.html
>>
>> Astrid
>>
>>
>>
mail2web - Check your email from the web at
https://mail2web.com/ .
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:51:47 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: TANGO-L@mit.edu
Good Grief! I've heard salon dancers claim what they did
was "authentic" and that other styles weren't. I've heard
fantasia dancers claim what they did was "authentic" and
other styles weren't.
The story has been told over and over again. The term
"milonguero style" was used to differentiate it from the
open-embrace tango being commonly taught. We've heard over
and over again how people teach things that cannot be used
in crowded milongas. The term arose as a reaction to that.
It is only one style of close-embrace. And when a class
is advertised as milonguero, it is pretty clear that you
won't be doing ganchos, single-axis turns, colgadas, or
volcadas (which are acceptable in other close-embrace
styles).
Whether one likes it or not, the label has stuck. Does it
matter whether the term is commonly used in BsAs? Not
really (though it's used in BsAs advertising).
To me, this is similar to the architectural terms of
"modern" and "postmodern", which describes designs back in
the 1920 or 1930's or something like that, not quite eras I
consider modern.
Trini de Pittsburgh
--- El Mundo del Tango <mail@elmundodeltango.com> wrote:
> Nonsense. "Valid" may be to dance.
> But to call it "milonguero style" implies that that is
> what milongueros
> dance and that is a big fat lie, in Buenos Aires and
> everywhere else, now
> and fifty years ago. Milongueros dance all differently
> and they are all
> milongueros because milonguero is a social dancer.
> Shoin.Basta.Se acab?.
> These semantic dirty tricks are abused and these myths
> are perpetuated by
> limited, mediocre "one trick ponies"
> who wish to drag everybody else into the same mediocrity
> and to point to
> themselves as the "authentic, real thing", while
> dismissing everything else.
>
> Gabriel
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:18:34 -0800
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
To: <TANGO-L@mit.edu>
Trini,
I do not think you are listening to other people.
You are a typical milonguero style dancer.
And of course there are many other close embrace styles.
Example?
Canyengue.
Igor
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 16:39:17 -0800 (PST)
From: "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Milonguero is one style of close embrace
styles.
Hi Igor,
What I was hearing was people getting hung up on the label
"milonguero-style". This appears to be a language issue,
not an actual dance issue. When Timmy wrote his email,
enough people knew what he was talking about. Which means
that term is quite valid.
I was also hearing people unfairly placing characteristics
onto those who use the term, even though others who do not
use the term can also have those very same characteristics.
At the TangoFest recently, a friend of ours was amused to
hear a well-known nuevo teacher complaining about how
organizers keep bringing in teachers of different styles.
The teacher thought that people should stick to one style.
Gee, exactly what some on this list complain that another
milonguero-style teacher says.
I don't hear Republicans complaining that the Democrats
labeling themselves as Democrats implies that the
Republicans do not believe in democracy.
Don't forget to vote on Tuesday.
Trini de Pittsburgh
--- Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:
> Trini,
> I do not think you are listening to other people.
> You are a typical milonguero style dancer.
>
> And of course there are many other close embrace styles.
> Example?
> Canyengue.
>
> Igor
>
>
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