4071 Non-Tango discussions
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:32:36 -0500
From: Reuven Thetanguero <tango@MILONGA.US>
Subject: Non-Tango discussions
I am a member of this list for quite few years now, and generally enjoy
reading various postings. Lately, a lto of political discussion is
taking place here. While Argentina and Buenos Aires are close to the
heart of many members, it's not an Argentina discussion list! I am sure
there are many other forums where one can tackle those national topics.
Richard Lipkin (NewYorkTango.com) and I run a Yahoo group -
NewYorkTango. In order to avoid inappropriate postings, we moderate it
and make sure that no political/spam etc. postings are submitted.
Perhaps it's time to moderate this list as well?
Reuven
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:55:57 -0500
From: seth <s1redh@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Non-Tango discussions
Dear Censor,
As a dancer who on occasion suffers from the musical choices of New York
Tango DJs, I do reject your call for a censored forum. Tango-L list is lots
of fun, even if sometimes tedious, sometimes maddening, and sometimes boring
as is now. But surely it beats all other Moderated forums I joined and then
quit.
You should have called for people to join your list instead.
Seth
On 2/28/06, Reuven Thetanguero <tango@milonga.us> wrote:
>
> I am a member of this list for quite few years now, and generally enjoy
> reading various postings. Lately, a lto of political discussion is
> taking place here. While Argentina and Buenos Aires are close to the
> heart of many members, it's not an Argentina discussion list! I am sure
> there are many other forums where one can tackle those national topics.
> Richard Lipkin (NewYorkTango.com) and I run a Yahoo group -
> NewYorkTango. In order to avoid inappropriate postings, we moderate it
> and make sure that no political/spam etc. postings are submitted.
> Perhaps it's time to moderate this list as well?
>
> Reuven
>
>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:15:21 -0500
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Non-Tango discussions
>From: Reuven Thetanguero <tango@MILONGA.US>
>I am a member of this list for quite few years now, and generally enjoy
>reading various postings. Lately, a lto of political discussion is
>taking place here. While Argentina and Buenos Aires are close to the
>heart of many members, it's not an Argentina discussion list! I am sure
>there are many other forums where one can tackle those national topics.
>Richard Lipkin (NewYorkTango.com) and I run a Yahoo group -
>NewYorkTango. In order to avoid inappropriate postings, we moderate it
>and make sure that no political/spam etc. postings are submitted.
>Perhaps it's time to moderate this list as well?
>
>Reuven
No, no, no. This list was moderated and censored at the beginning and it was
horrible because of that. Moderators and censors will inevitably run
roughshod over other people's right to express their opinions ever when they
are totally on topic.
As others say and have said in the past, the Tango-L can be maddening,
boring, interesting, insulting or annoying at times. However, it's much
better, informative and interesting now than it was ever under big brother's
watchful eye and heavy hand. Interestingly enough, it stays much more on
topic and there are fewer virulent posts and ad-hominem posts than before.
If you or anyone else finds the Tango-L, as it is, to be intolerable, please
unsubscribe and/or form other forum(s) more to your liking. The free flow of
ideas and words is what makes this forum useful and interesting. I don't
like to be muzzled or have my thoughts, ideas and opinions moderated,
censored or oppressed in any way.
Go Tango-L!!
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:32:15 +0000
From: Dani Iannarelli <dani@TANGO-LA-DOLCE-VITA.COM>
Subject: Re: Non-Tango discussions
WHAT gives YOU the right to say the List is less virulent in postings...?????!!!!! WHO SAYS!!!!???? ...and what makes YOU so superior that you can call everyone else an "ad-hominem'?????!!!!! WE are all human beings...OK????!!!!!!!! NOT archaological primates!!!!! Anyway, "ad-hominems" should equally be allowed to post...!!! I say "Equality and rights for ad-hominems!...NOW!!!"
[That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Virulent Ad-Hominem Party]
Ok, on another note, does anyone have any tango-related topics to post?
Cheers...
Dani
'El Zorro de los Ad-Hominems' :-)))))
WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
it stays much more on
topic and there are fewer virulent posts and ad-hominem posts than before.
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:43:00 -0600
From: donnay <donnay@DONNAY.NET>
Subject: Re: Non-Tango discussions
I've got one! I was recently surprised when a woman told me that she was
wondering whether she was learning the appropriate style of tango from her
teacher (this is always a tough question for me to answer) I asked her if
she enjoyed his style of dancing when she danced with him. She replied that
he never danced with her.
Does this happen to other people on the list? Have you chosen a teacher
without ever dancing with him/her? If so, why? How can you teach tango
without dancing with your student?
Lois
Minneapolis, MN
> on another note, does anyone have any tango-related topics to post?
> Cheers...
>
> Dani
> 'El Zorro de los Ad-Hominems' :-)))))
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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:42:45 -1200
From: Michael <tangomaniac@CAVTEL.NET>
Subject: Re: Non-Tango discussions
Ok, on another note, does anyone have any tango-related
topics to post?
Cheers...
Dani
El Zorro de los Ad-Hominems' :-)))))
I thought I would never write this. Compared to the
political situation in Argentina, a discussion about the 8
count basic is starting to look good.
Michael Ditkoff
Washington, DC
Getting ready for the tango marathon in 2 weeks. Why is it
called the tango marathon? Because after all the classes and
milongas, you'll dance 26.2 miles.
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:03:39 -0800
From: steve pastor <tang0man2005@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Non-Tango discussions
You can pick an instructor by watching how they dance. If you want to move as they do, have the same posture, and a similar "vocabulary" of movement ("steps", "moves", etc), it makes sense to seek their instruction.
During lessons, the instructors I've had have either led, or had me lead things with them as my partner. I got over the "but, he's a guy!" thing without too much trouble. However, I don't expect to "dance" with a male instructor. (Hmm, sounds dialogue from "Tango Bar".)
All of my lessons have been group lessons. Us guys usually practice with the women in the class, but often have to partner with other men because there are fewer women than men.
So, when men pick other men to learn from, there is no dancing with the instructor involved, at least in my experience. And I think that is most often the way it is.
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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:07:24 -0600
From: Lois Donnay <donnay@DONNAY.NET>
Subject: Re: Non-Tango discussions
I guess I didn't make it clear that this is during private lessons. How do you
teach one-on-one without dancing with your student?
Lois
Quoting "Christopher L. Everett" <ceverett@ceverett.com>:
> donnay wrote:
>
>> Have you chosen a teacher
>> without ever dancing with him/her? If so, why? How can you teach tango
>> without dancing with your student?
>
> Sometimes couples want to learn tango, but they are uncomfortable dancing
> with someone they're not married to. Sometimes this works out OK, more
> often not too well.
>
> I have a class of about 20 about 2 weeks into a 6 week beginner class,
> and 2 out of 6 couples are staying together. One couple have been
> dancing everything but tango (ballroom, swing, salsa) for quite a while
> and they are looking so nice I am going to start taking them aside and
> giving them a little extra to do. The other couple are having a much
> harder time, so I am going to see if they would be comfortable trading
> with the first couple who are their friends.
>
> Christopher
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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:53:46 -0600
From: "Christopher L. Everett" <ceverett@CEVERETT.COM>
Subject: Re: Non-Tango discussions
donnay wrote:
> Have you chosen a teacher
> without ever dancing with him/her? If so, why? How can you teach tango
> without dancing with your student?
Sometimes couples want to learn tango, but they are uncomfortable dancing
with someone they're not married to. Sometimes this works out OK, more
often not too well.
I have a class of about 20 about 2 weeks into a 6 week beginner class,
and 2 out of 6 couples are staying together. One couple have been
dancing everything but tango (ballroom, swing, salsa) for quite a while
and they are looking so nice I am going to start taking them aside and
giving them a little extra to do. The other couple are having a much
harder time, so I am going to see if they would be comfortable trading
with the first couple who are their friends.
Christopher
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:25:36 -0500
From: WHITE 95 R <white95r@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Non-Tango discussions
>From: Dani Iannarelli <dani@TANGO-LA-DOLCE-VITA.COM>
>WHAT gives YOU the right to say the List is less virulent in
>postings...?????!!!!! WHO SAYS!!!!???? ...and what makes YOU so superior
>that you can call everyone else an "ad-hominem'?????!!!!! WE are all human
>beings...OK????!!!!!!!! NOT archaological primates!!!!! Anyway,
>"ad-hominems" should equally be allowed to post...!!! I say "Equality and
>rights for ad-hominems!...NOW!!!"
>
> [That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Virulent
>Ad-Hominem Party]
>
> Ok, on another note, does anyone have any tango-related topics to post?
>
> Cheers...
>
> Dani
> 'El Zorro de los Ad-Hominems' :-)))))
>
Ok Danny, I got it.... The ad-hominems have not gone the way of the Malvinas
:-))))
Manuel
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:08:58 EST
From: Richard deSousa <Mallpasso@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Non-Tango discussions
I whole heartedly agree. When Tango-L was moderated I was driven to
frustration by the inane reasons why the moderator would censor my posts. Good
riddance to the moderators!
El Bandito de Tango
In a message dated 2/28/2006 08:18:56 Pacific Standard Time,
white95r@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>From: Reuven Thetanguero <tango@MILONGA.US>
>I am a member of this list for quite few years now, and generally enjoy
>reading various postings. Lately, a lto of political discussion is
>taking place here. While Argentina and Buenos Aires are close to the
>heart of many members, it's not an Argentina discussion list! I am sure
>there are many other forums where one can tackle those national topics.
>Richard Lipkin (NewYorkTango.com) and I run a Yahoo group -
>NewYorkTango. In order to avoid inappropriate postings, we moderate it
>and make sure that no political/spam etc. postings are submitted.
>Perhaps it's time to moderate this list as well?
>
>Reuven
No, no, no. This list was moderated and censored at the beginning and it was
horrible because of that. Moderators and censors will inevitably run
roughshod over other people's right to express their opinions ever when they
are totally on topic.
As others say and have said in the past, the Tango-L can be maddening,
boring, interesting, insulting or annoying at times. However, it's much
better, informative and interesting now than it was ever under big brother's
watchful eye and heavy hand. Interestingly enough, it stays much more on
topic and there are fewer virulent posts and ad-hominem posts than before.
If you or anyone else finds the Tango-L, as it is, to be intolerable, please
unsubscribe and/or form other forum(s) more to your liking. The free flow of
ideas and words is what makes this forum useful and interesting. I don't
like to be muzzled or have my thoughts, ideas and opinions moderated,
censored or oppressed in any way.
Go Tango-L!!
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:32:39 +0000
From: Dani Iannarelli <dani@TANGO-LA-DOLCE-VITA.COM>
Subject: Re: Non-Tango discussions
Hey, El Bandito de Tango,
That's terrible! You need moderated! >:-))))
Hey, are you "Gold Hat" in disguise? You know, the Bandito (or shouldn't it be 'Bandido'?) who exclaimed...
"Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges!" [The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948)]
Except, in your case it's:
"Moderators? We ain't got no moderators. We don't need no moderators. I don't have to show you any stinking moderators!"
Dani
'El Zorro de Steeenkin' Moderators'
Richard deSousa <Mallpasso@AOL.COM> wrote:
I whole heartedly agree. When Tango-L was moderated I was driven to
frustration by the inane reasons why the moderator would censor my posts. Good
riddance to the moderators!
El Bandito de Tango
In a message dated 2/28/2006 08:18:56 Pacific Standard Time,
white95r@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>From: Reuven Thetanguero
>I am a member of this list for quite few years now, and generally enjoy
>reading various postings. Lately, a lto of political discussion is
>taking place here. While Argentina and Buenos Aires are close to the
>heart of many members, it's not an Argentina discussion list! I am sure
>there are many other forums where one can tackle those national topics.
>Richard Lipkin (NewYorkTango.com) and I run a Yahoo group -
>NewYorkTango. In order to avoid inappropriate postings, we moderate it
>and make sure that no political/spam etc. postings are submitted.
>Perhaps it's time to moderate this list as well?
>
>Reuven
No, no, no. This list was moderated and censored at the beginning and it was
horrible because of that. Moderators and censors will inevitably run
roughshod over other people's right to express their opinions ever when they
are totally on topic.
As others say and have said in the past, the Tango-L can be maddening,
boring, interesting, insulting or annoying at times. However, it's much
better, informative and interesting now than it was ever under big brother's
watchful eye and heavy hand. Interestingly enough, it stays much more on
topic and there are fewer virulent posts and ad-hominem posts than before.
If you or anyone else finds the Tango-L, as it is, to be intolerable, please
unsubscribe and/or form other forum(s) more to your liking. The free flow of
ideas and words is what makes this forum useful and interesting. I don't
like to be muzzled or have my thoughts, ideas and opinions moderated,
censored or oppressed in any way.
Go Tango-L!!
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 21:28:37 +0900
From: astrid <astrid@RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP>
Subject: Re: Non-Tango discussions
> I guess I didn't make it clear that this is during private lessons. How do
you
> teach one-on-one without dancing with your student?
>
> Lois
>
In my impression, a teacher does that mainly when he is tired and/or lazy. I
resent being made to do ochos against the wall during a privada, I
appreciate some walking drills, but a whole lesson without ever dancing
together? Nah...
Astrid
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 05:59:19 -0800
From: Larry Gmucs <gmucs@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Non-Tango discussions
I've often seen it written that Tango is a metaphor for life . . .
How often is it that all of life's activities are on-topic? There's lots of interesting and boring stuff around the edges and on the sidelines. Seldom does any activity move in a straight line.
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